Another fatal Pit Bull attack....

Also, in regards to Niko, the “Pit Bull” that killed a child…I’m sorry, I don’t know why people classify these “American Bullies” that losers are breeding/selling as purebred Pit Bulls, they just aren’t. Yes I am sure they have Pit Bull blood, but are also clearly mixed with something much larger. You cannot blame these things killing/maiming people solely on their Pit Bull heritage. The FB kennel page linked has Nico listed at 125lbs.

UKC APBT breed standard:
http://www.ukcdogs.com/Web.nsf/Breeds/AmericanPitBullTerrier12012012

“Desirable weight for a mature male in good condition is between 35 and 60 pounds. Desirable weight for a mature female in good condition is between 30 and 50 pounds.”

AKC Am Staff breed standard:
https://www.akc.org/breeds/american_staffordshire_terrier/breed_standard.cfm

“Height and weight should be in proportion. A height of about 18 to 19 inches at shoulders for the male and 17 to 18 inches for the female is to be considered preferable.” Although not directly quoted here, I have seen desirable weight listed on other sites as 57-67lbs.

UKC Staffordshire Bull Terrier breed standard:
http://www.ukcdogs.com/Web.nsf/Breeds/Terrier/StaffordshireBullTerrier04152007

“Height, measured at the shoulders, ranges from 14 to 16 inches. Weight ranges are as follows: dogs, 28 to 38 pounds; bitches, 24 to 34 pounds. Weight depends on the height of the individual dog.”

Therefore, Niko and his offspring/kin are considerably larger than any purebred breed that falls under the term “Pit Bull.”

ETA: I just read the post with the article commenting on the evolution of the American Bully and the Bull Mastiff influence and rampant inbreeding. Just further proves how we cannot blame a Pit Bull for this child’s death as this wasn’t a Pit Bull.

As to breaking up fights, I once read a book about a large breed that isn’t terribly dog friendly recommend a cattle prod for this with same sex individuals. I’ve never known anyone to use it but I guess I can see how it might put a stop to things in a true emergency. Unfortunately I’ve known several very experienced people bitten by their own dogs breaking up fights. That is a tough thing to go through. I have one male and one female, and I’m lucky that all of mine have gotten along so well. I’ve never had a pit bull, but a number of working breeds aren’t necessarily always totally sociable with other dogs.

Anytime I’ve broken up a fight I use an object…like a chair.

On a Rottie list I used to belong to, someone mentioned she had a CO2 fire extinguisher to break up fights. On that list some recommend having an air horn handy to stop fights also. I’m just glad I’ve never had to deal with major fights.

I have used a water hose successfully to break up a dog fight between my personal dogs. They are pretty easy to get to stop anyway, no need for me to get in the middle I can call them off. Did so just yesterday when my female put my typical little dog tyrant on the ground on his back making him cry uncle. He is a typical little dog terrier and gets himself into trouble more times than not.

There is also a compressed air corrector that is supposed to work pretty good, but electric is not supposed to work so well on pit bulls, especially if they have latched on and not wanting to turn loose. That is why they use pry sticks to break up fights.

I still maintain having an intact male in an apartment with a female in heat is asking for trouble. I have seen male dogs get very territorial with humans and other dogs both, when a female is in heat. Not a good thing when the male is 100 + lbs.

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Also, the media is not longer calling it a “pit bull” attack, so why are we? [/QUOTE]

Because the parents of the killer were both UKC registered American Pit Bull Terriers. The killer itself, Niko, appears not to have been registered. The lack of registration papers doesn’t turn it magically into a mutt or a beagle; it just means the owner never filed the paperwork.

Niko, aka BTM’s Hidden Treasure
http://www.bullypedia.net/americanbully/details.php?id=218440

Sire: UKC’s Most Wanted Kimbo
http://www.bullypedia.net/americanbully/details.php?id=69011
Registration#: UKC A289,951
Breed: American Pit Bull Terrier

Dam: Tanksbigtime Lexii of Bluetown
http://www.bullypedia.net/americanbully/details.php?id=171365
Registration#: UKC A255,251
Breed: American Pit Bull Terrier

The UKC, btw, has this to say about the American Bully, which is recognized just last year. The UKC was formed specifically to serve the pit bull community, back when the AKC told the dog fighters they weren’t welcome, so they have quite a long history with the fighting breeds.

“The American Bully breed developed as a natural extension of the American Pit Bull Terrier, a breed that has maintained a characteristic appearance and temperament for over 100 years. As with any long-standing breed, several distinct types have evolved from the parent breed, with one in particular – the American Bully – taking on a specific build and structure unique enough to warrant it becoming a separate breed altogether. The American Bully, whose foundation stock is undeniably the American Pit Bull Terrier, was also developed by blending in stock from other bull breeds.”

http://www.ukcdogs.com/Web.nsf/News/UnitedKennelClubAnnouncest07172013022218PM

Choking dogs to break up a fight? 1. Your hands have to be able to reach around the neck well enough to form a grip, 2. You’re placing your hands awfully close to the mouth of the dog you’re grabbing and RIGHT INSIDE the target area the other dog is aiming for, 3. You’re essentially “attacking” the dog you’re grabbing, thereby joining the fight, not stopping it, 4. It can require some serious strength to maintain a grip on any body part of a dog in a serious fight, but the neck?
And wouldn’t you need a “co-choker” to choke the other dog? Or do you just choke one out while the other chews on you both? I don’t know, but that sure sounds a disastrous way to try to break up a fight to me. :confused:

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Choking dogs to break up a fight? 1. Your hands have to be able to reach around the neck well enough to form a grip, 2. You’re placing your hands awfully close to the mouth of the dog you’re grabbing and RIGHT INSIDE the target area the other dog is aiming for, 3. You’re essentially “attacking” the dog you’re grabbing, thereby joining the fight, not stopping it, 4. It can require some serious strength to maintain a grip on any body part of a dog in a serious fight, but the neck?
And wouldn’t you need a “co-choker” to choke the other dog? Or do you just choke one out while the other chews on you both? I don’t know, but that sure sounds a disastrous way to try to break up a fight to me. :confused:[/QUOTE]

Usually breaking up a fight between two dogs is easier with a second person, sometimes that’s not always an option. I don’t know many people who would try to choke a dog with their bare hands, I was referencing to using a collar or a rope/leash of some sort…also accounts for the gripping issue you have brought up. I don’t consider the neck of the dog I’m choking close to it’s mouth since it’s behind the mouth and impossible for that dog to reach and I’m not quite sure why you assume dogs automatically go for each other’s necks? I’ve never had neck wounds from a dog fight. Armpits/legs/faces, yes…never necks.

Are you suggesting soaking a dog wet makes anything easier? Because I’ve never seen it work. I had a family member that tried to break up a fight with all methods but choking (a Lab and Shep mix btw, no Pits involved) and ended up with an ambulance ride, and a massive amount of stitches. The fight ended up being broken up by an adult male neighbor who heard the commotion and beat the dogs off of each other with a metal rod.

Lastly, intervening in a fight in any method could be consider attacking the dog by the dog’s standards. I’m not sure how you intervene and don’t “attack” the dog. When I’m breaking up a fight, I’m not really concerned about the dogs’ feelings. I’ve never personally had a dog redirect on me.

What would be your preferred methods for breaking up a fight? I am asking honestly as I’m always interested in learning new things, so would be open to other ideas.

I personally do not own dogs I don’t feel comfortable handling on my own. I have had fosters that I felt if they fought with my dogs I would not be strong enough to break up on my own, so they’re only out with my dogs when my boyfriend is around (who is strong enough), and we did not add those dogs to our pack permanently because I choose not to live like that. The few fights I have physically intervened in were between a foster dog and my own and a family member’s dog and my own. Any “fight” I’ve ever had between my own dogs has been stopped by yelling at them and no physical intervention, so thus far I have been lucky in that respect. That includes living with 3 rescued Pit Bulls for 5 years without incident (we lost one of our girls to idiopathic renal failure at Christmas so now we are down to 2).

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Usually breaking up a fight between two dogs is easier with a second person, sometimes that’s not always an option. I don’t know many people who would try to choke a dog with their bare hands, I was referencing to using a collar or a rope/leash of some sort…also accounts for the gripping issue you have brought up. I don’t consider the neck of the dog I’m choking close to it’s mouth since it’s behind the mouth and impossible for that dog to reach and I’m not quite sure why you assume dogs automatically go for each other’s necks? I’ve never had neck wounds from a dog fight. Armpits/legs/faces, yes…never necks.

?You do know that the trachea is in the front of the neck? You used the word “choke”, which naturally implies impeding the airway. I didn’t say dogs “automatically go for the neck”. Although, they tend to have thicker, tougher, looser skin around the neck and many have a “ruff” of protective hair for a very good reason. It’s less likely to see wounds in this area for that reason. The body parts you list all have thinner, more easily injured skin and are common places for bite wounds in fighting dogs. Those also happen to be body parts near the neck, which dogs protect at all costs.

Are you suggesting soaking a dog wet makes anything easier? Because I’ve never seen it work. I had a family member that tried to break up a fight with all methods but choking (a Lab and Shep mix btw, no Pits involved) and ended up with an ambulance ride, and a massive amount of stitches. The fight ended up being broken up by an adult male neighbor who heard the commotion and beat the dogs off of each other with a metal rod.

Where did I say anything about soaking dogs or using water at all? If your family member had attempted to “hand choke” (even somehow using a collar) a Lab and a GSD, they likely would have suffered even further injury. Some fights require a physical wedge (stick, chair, metal rod, baseball bat…) be placed between dogs. Choking is an invitation to serious injury. If the dogs have slip leads or easily accessible collars on, fights rarely are able to escalate beyond a certain point b/c the dogs can be pulled apart. But once the battle is on, it’s too dangerous to reach in and try to twist collars or something to try to choke a dog.

Lastly, intervening in a fight in any method could be consider attacking the dog by the dog’s standards. I’m not sure how you intervene and don’t “attack” the dog. When I’m breaking up a fight, I’m not really concerned about the dogs’ feelings. I’ve never personally had a dog redirect on me.

Oh for Pete’s sake, I didn’t say anything about the dog’s feelings. There are many ways to break up fights without putting yourself in harm’s way. If you’re breaking fights up often with your choking method, you’re inviting redirection, so it seems as if luck is on your side. That’s great!

What would be your preferred methods for breaking up a fight? I am asking honestly as I’m always interested in learning new things, so would be open to other ideas.

See above. Physical wedge with inanimate object that keeps my soft and squishy parts well out of the battle zone.

I personally do not own dogs I don’t feel comfortable handling on my own. I have had fosters that I felt if they fought with my dogs I would not be strong enough to break up on my own, so they’re only out with my dogs when my boyfriend is around (who is strong enough), and we did not add those dogs to our pack permanently because I choose not to live like that. The few fights I have physically intervened in were between a foster dog and my own and a family member’s dog and my own. Any “fight” I’ve ever had between my own dogs has been stopped by yelling at them and no physical intervention, so thus far I have been lucky in that respect. That includes living with 3 rescued Pit Bulls for 5 years without incident (we lost one of our girls to idiopathic renal failure at Christmas so now we are down to 2).[/QUOTE]

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Anytime I’ve broken up a fight I use an object…like a chair.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. I have little pity for anyone who sticks their hand in a dog fight and then is surprised when they’re bit. When dogs are going at it, they don’t take time to differentiate between you and the other dog. The closest I’ve come is to picking my dog up by the scruff and tossing her over a baby gate. I knew full well the risk I was taking.

I grabbed one by the tail and tossed her over a baby gate too. I also jumped into a fight between my old foster dane and my pug- dane had the pug’s whole head in his mouth. He spat him out and cowed down to me, but it wasn’t the smartest thing I;ve ever done.

when my JRT’s went at it, i had to pick up the male by the tail ( bc it was all i could grab) and throw him into another room. i cannot imagine trying to separate anything larger than 20 lb dogs.

Score one for the pit bull! lol I’m sorry I don’t see how the owner manages to refrain from laughing.

http://www.infowars.com/cop-tries-to-shoot-dog-ends-up-shooting-himself/

I broke up a dog fight in a stupid way once…

Two dogs I both knew were going at it (one more aggressive and was the instigator) and I was behind the bigger more aggressive dog (the other dog was pinned on the ground). I grabbed the dog by the collar and instead of pulling back, which I thought would make him think I was another dog attacking him, I pulled him straight up by the collar basically cutting off his air supply.

It not only got him off the other dog (so it could get the hell out of dodge) but it broke his intense focus on attacking and went back to his calm self.

How I (5"2 woman) was able to lift a 90lb dog off the ground… I guess adrenaline???.