@cutter99 sounds like a training issue, once you start providing all that they always want it.!
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When did I say that it was? I simply asked you to use that information to share why you feel that your position is correct.
I simply started this thread base upon the linked piece in the OP. I do not feel that there is a way to make slaughter viable, due to economic and logistic issues. Iām not alone in this, even on this thread. If you think that there is a case to made to the contrary, and you want to share it, have at it.
Itās enough for me to feel the way that I do. I do not need to build a case for you. The point that others feel that way, as well (see first post) is enough.
@ASB_Stars, while outside throwing rocks around a task which requires muscle but not much thinkingā¦my brain got to trying to understand something.
I want you, please, to try and answer a few questions for me.
We know that things as they are are not great, and things should be better, and I accept that this would be hard to do. I ask you to take a walk through a make believe world with me, and tell me how you feel.
In this make believe world, horses are indeed transported to a kill plant in their own trailer, or by experienced hauliers, just like they were moving to a new barn or going to a show. Do you have an issue with that?
Again in this fantasy land, the horse is handled by an experienced person who takes them into the kill pen, and they are instantly dispatched, without ever knowing what happened, do you have an issue with that?
Then the body is taken through to the actual line, and is processed into pet food, fertilizer, or whateverā¦do you have a problem with that?
I am just trying to find out where the issue actually arises, to try and understand your objections. Because Iām guessing that the stress of the scenario Iām describing is around the same as either hauling to the vet, or having the vet on farm for euthanasia.
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The problem, as you admit, that is a fantasy.
There are many things that are worse than dead. I do not have a problem with a horse having a quick, stress-free, painless death when necessary or appropriate.
But your fantasy? Not sustainable economically, and the logistics could be problematic.
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So you canāt even get your head around answering questions, on a hypotheticalā¦I am trying to understand your viewpoint, but you you seem unable to help me by answering questions on either your plan to make people responsible for what they breed, OR, where in the āslaughter pipelineā you have the real issueā¦
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Iāll make this simple- I have a problem with the slaughter pipeline from sale to death.
I disagree with your definition of a hypothetical; what you theorized had no foot in reality. Consider this- the polar opposite of your fantasy is any horse can wind up in a sale at any time in any condition, be sold for meat, be shipped in a double decker 1500 miles without food or water, and killed with a knife in Mexico. Where would you start to improve that system?
Have local slaughter plants so NOTHING has to shipt 1500 miles to a slaughter facility outside our country where we have no control over how things are handled.
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I never would have outlawed slaughter in the U.S. to begin with, as there is no control over what goes on in another country, plus the fact it lengthened the amount of transport time.
What did people think was going to happen when slaughter was banned here?
The horse literally got out the barn door on that one!
You seem to ignore the fact that slaughter is profitable on other countries, just as it could be here.
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Iām sorry- I went to the polar opposite of her fantasy. I thought that was clear.
Generally, those countries are exponentially smaller than the US- geographically. And, they raise horses for slaughter over there. I am not sure that idea will take off in the US, but I certainly hope not.
I am completely amazed, and saddened by anyone who would promote the idea of raising horses for slaughter. I guess anything goes in farming, but being from Iowa farm stock , it still makes me sick.
So you really believe that anything goes in farming??? What a shady and despicable comment!!!
WOW, just wow!!!
Did you eat today? Thank a farmer!
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Who is promoting the idea of raising horses for slaughter?
Iām certainly not, I promote raising good using horses, but am realistic enough to realize that not every horse will go on to live a long and productive life. Thatās leaves us with horses surplus to the need.
Even if you can turn off the supply tap, itās going to take a long time to reduce populations. So what is your idea to deal with the reality of excess horses and not enough homes?
Again, lots of things you donāt agree with, but little idea of what to change to make your fantasy into reality.
So what do we do with all the horses that currently are in the slaughter pipeline, yiu just have an answer to that one.
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Why would anyone want impose their beliefs on others and make demands of them based on those, ignoring their rights to their own beliefs?
Lets take good care of our animals, help stop abuse where it happens.
How others choose to manage their horses should be otherās choice, not anyone to tell them what to do.
Bringing abuse to the table is not germane.
Abuse happens every place you have abusers.
No one wants abuse to happen, any place.
Donāt like how slaughter is managed, help make it better.
Donāt like how eventing, racing, rodeo, endurance, you name it is managed, help make it better.
Animal rights extremists are those that are working to stop ALL we may do with animals on principle, because is what they believe, that we should not use animals in any way.
Slaughter is an easy target for them because it involves death.
The mystique of the horse makes contemplating that death hard, ignoring the natural, renewable resources some horses are and have been forever for humans, in so many cultures, after death.
Remember, animal rights extremists are living off those controversies, gratifying them emotionally and fills their pockets demanding money to āsave the cause of the momentā, here ban slaughter.
Wanting all slaughter banned is why we are now where we are and, yes, that needs to be managed better.
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I have trouble accepting that humane slaughter canāt be achieved in the US because it canāt be made profitable.
How can the current situation be profitable when the animals are shipped long distances? If we take the the long distance shipping out of the equation, surely that money can be spent on improving the conditions at the slaughterhouse and still leave room for profit.
I live in a part of the world where both farming and hunting are big; and I have a choice of three or four custom meat processors within an hourās drive. When we raised our own grass fed beef, we hauled them to a custom slaughterhouse, I have a friend who does the same with pigs. Conditions in these plants are exemplary ; they are freaking immaculate. There are not big pens of waiting animals or assembly line type conditions as weāve seen the horrible videos of in big commercial plants. You actually have to make an appointment to deliver your animals. They are unloaded, given a chance to settle, and then humanely dispatched. Yes, we have been there when it is done. Thereās no panic, the animal isnāt afraid, itās just another day in the life and then itās over. It is nothing like what is in the anti-slaugher propaganda.
Why canāt that work for unwanted horses?
And btw, I have three geriatric retired horses, each of whom I have owned for more than a dozen years and have pledged to keep until the end. Exactly the kind of horse owner you say will solve the problem. Except I cannot bury a horse on our small property far enough away from the well to be safe, let alone one full of barbiturates. Soon Iāll be facing the choice of when to euth and how to handle their bodies. I would absolutely consider sending them to the hunt kennels, where I also know the slaughter to be humane, assuming they can handle the trailer ride. Would you really have a problem with a local slaughterhouse accepting them? Why shouldnāt that be an option? Donāt mention profit again; because I would absolutely pay the processing fee to the slaughterhouse for this service, as would most other horsepeople, it would be WAY less than any other means of disposal.
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I was being sarcastic about the idea of raising horses for slaughter.
I am fourth generation Iowa farm stock. I was born in Iowa, and I used to spend my summers in Iowa, and make the rounds with my grandfather, who also had a fuel oil business. We still own a few hundred acres out there, but itās been leased for years.
Your post was anything but sarcastic. To claim you were being sarcastic is disingenuous, and only makes you look worse.
Let us know when you can support the arguments you came here to make. Many of us would love to hear actual facts!
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I came here to post an article on groups that are anti-slaughter. I do not owe you anything. The idea that you deign to say that I look āworseā is fine. The idea that you are the arbiter of tone is sadly laughable.
Do you seriously believe that I think that the idea of raising horses for slaughter is anything but vile? I must not be clear enough for you.
If you would care to show an opposing opinion, complete with facts, to the article that started this thread, have at it. However, honestly, you arenāt going to prove anything to me.
