Another rider death

I don’t ride XC, I ride hunters and show the All Around at a breed level, but to weigh in on an Exo-esque type vest – I’d absolutely buy one just to school at home and I imagine I might not be the only other market outside of eventers. Trail riders, people who frequently have to ride alone, exercise riders, etc.

The sad part about this is that I had no ideathat something like this had been on the market or available. It’s not like I’m new to the industry, either - twenty years riding, multiple national titles - and I currently own nine horses that I keep legged up by myself. I basically spend 50% of my time with my horses, and the other 50% working to pay for the horses. JER’s Instagram video was fantastic, because it’s been hard for me to research it now - when you search for more information, it just lots of ads for air vests. If they didn’t make money with it, I’d seriously consider their depth of market penetration.

One of my biggest riding fears has always been somehow ending up underneath my horn in my western saddle, if a horse slips or does something stupid. Our industry had a fairly well known trainer crushed last year; he’s back to riding now thankfully - but it took almost a year to get back in the saddle full time. I don’t know if an EXO-vest solution would’ve solved the entire problem, but crushing your pelvis sounds a lot more survivable that crushing your sternum.

His initial Facebook post after the accident explained the severity:

I know many of you wonder what happened to me. I had a terrible horse accident on January 2nd. It was just a freak accident-as all horse people need to understand can happen at any time. I was lucky enough to be able to call 911 in between blacking out (as I was all alone). I was airlifted 50 miles to Rochester Mayo Clinic. I was unconscious for that ride. I was on life support and ventilator for 5 days. I am told I had 7 surgeries the first few days. The first surgery was 12 hours long and they were working on my stomach as the saddle horn had ripped my small intestine apart and allowed all that stuff into the cavity. 9 hours into surgery they realized my leg artery had been severed and my leg was without blood supply that whole time. They thought they would have to amputate my leg. Luckily they were able to save it, the artery was so damaged they had to use a plastic of some sort to reattach . My femur was shattered and when they went to put it back together 2 inches of bone was crushed, so they inserted the rod and had to guess how long to make my leg. I had brain bleeding , blood clots, blood infection among other things and many many surgeries since. My pancreas is damaged and as of right now my stomach is upside down. They will have to do another surgery in a few months to fix that once the trauma of this accident has settled. I was in icu for 20 or more days. Been in hospital for 41 days but managed to get moved to a hospital closer to home this week. They don’t know if I will be in here for another month,2 or more. They say my case is very complicated and time will tell. I’m sorry this is a long book to read. Just wanted to let all that wondered what happened. Thank you all for the support. I am still in shock how much support and how many friends have reached out, be it cards, text, phone calls, the support for “#rideformonte”. As bad as this is you all have lifted my spirits. Thank you

https://www.equinechronicle.com/prayers-needed-for-trainer-monte-ruden-following-devastating-horse-accident/

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By all means.

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If that’s meant to be an equivalency I think it’s a false one. I’m an unfittable (chest is something like 10" larger than the top of the EXO size chart), but I can get off-the-rack eventing vests from other manufacturers that work, so I think there’s hope and I’d like to buy one.

How do you plan to protect yourselves from your horse crushing you on XC?

Honestly? I’m not. My current vest does help a great deal in spreading and slowing less-severe impacts, but if I really get the Dobbin Drop Test I’m a goner.

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Absolutely sure. Every motorracing monoposty division has developed a safety cell for the driver, Indi, F3, F2, F1.
They are designed to take the impact of a vehicle going up to 340 kmh, hitting a solid object, or having a nother vehicle hit it. During the season those, survival cell, which are part of the chasie, to which all the suspension parts and aerodynamic parts are attached, have to endure multiple crashes.
In F1 they only produce 4 of them, per year, for 2 drivers. One goes to the crash test, FIA, 1 is the spare. The 2 others last for the whole season, with multiple crashes at extremely high speeds.
The trick is, how you layer and weave your carbon mat. Take the suspension, it is designed to take the up and down force and some horizontal impact, like jumping curbs, but it is meant to be fragile hitting something solid, like a wall, disperse energy.
You can weave and crosslayer carbon for all kind of purposes. The cloth can have very integrated designs itself, you can design it for every purpose need.
That bike probably uses cheap linear carbon cloth, instead of a extruded, better use both to gether, maybe 4 to 6 of both of them. Last year I built 20 feet sailboat mast that way, works beautiful.

The US and the rest of the world has F1 teams. They design those crash cells on a computer, every year, with ever changing regulations. They do not have to test them, only once for the certification.
For the F1 guys, or Audi, or Porsche, or Indi, it would be just a novice engineer exercise to produce a vest like that in carbon.
1200 pounds kindergarten for them, 50 miles max, joke. They would probably take 3 month, made out of carbon.

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Thats true, there are reasons for all sorts of safety equipment, some are really truly reasonable, thats how we get improvement.

What do people think they are protecting themselves from with an air vest and a non air vest underneath? The 99% of falls that aren’t rotational.

How are we protecting ourselves from rotational falls now? By training, appropriate riding, understanding ours and our horses weakness and limits, by hope and good luck, just like everyone else is.

I cant see any point arguing about a piece of equipment that’s not available anyway. Its not helpful to anyone now.

We need to move forward, i want my safety and my horses safety to be paramount in this sport. It’s my highest priority every time I get in the start box, and I resent the innuendo that I had one chance to do something about it by buying that vest and I didn’t. Thats a very short sighted narrow view.

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Forgive me, but I haven’t exactly seen the rush of marketers looking to provide a realistic fit to someone with the shoulders and rib cage of a male rugby player and the breasts of a lady of the night. Trust me, I’m not any happier about this shape than they are, but I can guarantee I will not fit this situation inside of an exo vest without it crushing me. I will probably never event because of this fact, so there’s your answer about what I plan to do about it. I can barely stuff myself into a Kanteq and that was with custom measurements.

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Ok so that’s good to hear.

Presumably everyone here who events - including those who self-identify as unfittable - has a conventional body protector and possibly even also an air vest.

You’ve found your fit because the demand exists and the manufacturers produce for that market.

I don’t know why the EXO would be any different.

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My coach had and wore an Exo for a number of years as she had a bad rotational fall at Southern Pines about 15 years ago. She stopped wearing it around 2012 when the latest PointTwo “hybrid” vest of a body protector and air jacket combined was released. She, like the other hundreds/thousands of riders who event with an air jacket, was told that it will protect her from a crush injury. I don’t have the breath to try and argue otherwise, especially after Woodge Fulton’s near-miss rotational fall at Burghley can now be “proof” in many people’s eyes.

Oh, and the cost of the hybrid PointTwo vest? $1,200.

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For the record, I only know about the EXO from this BB, and the death threads. 🙁
I was out of eventing for a while and I think it came out while I wasn’t riding, or only doing weekly lessons. I would buy a new version if available.

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Perhaps, but it’s more than 1200 lbs by the time you account for momentum, and same with the speed when you account for the whip effect of being thrown to the ground. Compound that with the varying kinds of crush forces - did the horse step on you (small surface area), smash you with a hindquarter (relatively large surface area), point of a hip (small again), did a stirrup get caught in the middle (small again) etc - the engineering behind it would need to be bang on, and versatile to the forces it can encounter, which direction the forces can come from, on and on.

I’m not saying it isn’t possible. I’m just saying that in the comparatively small size riders would need it in (not roll cage diameter or thickness), it would take a lot of thought and testing.

If the eventing leadership can’t even scrounge up the money to get and install frangibles, what would make a single company take on the risk of footing the capital of something like that? It would have to be with a promise of mandating it across the board for a guaranteed market.

And, if it costs beaucoup bucks, who is going to want to buy 5 or 6 of them for a growing child?

It seems so clear, and so easy. But getting it done is the hard part.

The cost argument makes no sense to me - many people are buying air vests (which I will never wear because physics) which cost anywhere from $600 - $1000+. It’s all about marketing.

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With all the costs associated with horse-owning and eventing, it’s absurd that anyone would think $500 is too much for a protective device that actually works and has evidence to prove it.

As if your life isn’t worth that much.

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Here is the response I got from WoofWear:

Hi [Blugal],

Thank you for getting in touch.

I’m afraid that the EXO Body Protector has been discontinued and we no longer have any stock available; we do not currently produce any style of Body Protector.

However, our aim as a designer and manufacturer is to supply products that make our customers lives better, and we pride ourselves on responding to customers thoughts on everything from colour requests to product suggestions. Therefore, I have logged your feedback with our Product Design Team, and if there are a number of similar requests, your thoughts could influence the products making their way onto the market in the future.

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One of the more recent rotational deaths happened at a rolltop.

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I think it might only be a design issue to make the “EXO” adjustable enough to fit many body types. Like I mentioned earlier, with 3D printing, I don’t see why a lot of different prototypes couldn’t be made to test the design before having to make the “real thing” out of the strong metal.

And I agree that addressing the problem as a fence design issue doesn’t solve the rider death problem. Impossible to make every fence collapsible but should be able to make every rider wear equipment that will prevent them from being crushed to death if they or horse make a mistake

Mary in western NY

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I feel like the reason the EXO didn’t fit everyone was because it wasn’t necessarily made to. They probably didn’t want to go and make a huge variety of sizes and types until they knew the basic ones would sell (which they didn’t). If the EXO came back, it probably would not be the same. Methods of design and manufacturing have really improved since then, materials that could be used, ability to make strong, flexible composites that are high strength but not brittle. And it would probably be easier to make a wider variation.

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In the sport of fencing, it took exactly one death to completely overhaul safety in the sport.

At the world championships in 1982, Olympic gold medalist and then-current world champion Vladimir Smirnov was killed when a foil blade broke, pierced his (new) mask and continued on through his eye and into his brain.

After that, regulations and new materials were mandated across the board in the sport.

Read more here.

In fencing, we wear layers of protective clothing. Many layers. And a mask with all sorts of padding. Yes, it gets hot. No, we don’t die. And if you can’t find kit that fits you (we have rules on that too and fencers come in all ages, shapes and sizes), you don’t fence.

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This is the best photo I could find of the internal frame/cage of the EXO.

I thought it might dispel some of the notions of fitability.

Indeed, it might be possible for people to imagine different adapatations and outer parts to this basic frame.

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Yes!
No matter how much some posters want to insist this is not the case, this is exactly the point trying to be made.

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I emailed WoofWear (woofwear@woofwear.co.uk) as well and this was their response to me (almost identical to @Blugal’s):

Hi [Libby],

Thank you for getting in touch.

I’m afraid that the EXO Body Protector has been discontinued and we no longer have any stock available.

However, our aim as a designer and manufacturer is to supply products that make our customers lives better, and we pride ourselves on responding to customers thoughts on everything from colour requests to product suggestions. Therefore, I have logged your feedback with our Product Design Team, and if there are a number of similar requests, your thoughts could influence the products making their way onto the market in the future.

Seems like it can’t hurt to let them know that there may be a market out there if they decide to produce something similar. Fingers crossed.

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