https://shop.antares-sellier.com/fr/collection-precision/51-origin-hunter-bridle.html
ordered one for delivery June! will report back once i’ve done a few rides in it…the 4yo is in NO way showing signs of bridle issues and has a cut back headpiece already and is super in the contact, BUT this is getting rave reviews, and anything that increases comfort is a good thing in my eyes 
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https://shop.antares-sellier.com/fr/collection-precision/51-origin-hunter-bridle.html
ordered one for delivery June! will report back once i’ve done a few rides in it…the 4yo is in NO way showing signs of bridle issues and has a cut back headpiece already and is super in the contact, BUT this is getting rave reviews, and anything that increases comfort is a good thing in my eyes :)[/QUOTE]
I have this complete bridle and I really like it a lot. I’ve had it as couple weeks now.
ooooooh have you noticed any changes to your horses way of going? just curious really
What’s with the hole in the center of the poll piece?
Better pressure distribution
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I have this complete bridle and I really like it a lot. I’ve had it as couple weeks now.[/QUOTE]
Where were you able to buy the whole bridle?
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Where were you able to buy the whole bridle?[/QUOTE]
I bought it in person at Rolex. But you choose a browband and noseband to go with it and there’s the complete bridle. Any of the Antares reps can sell you one.
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Better pressure distribution[/QUOTE]
how’s that work?
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how’s that work?[/QUOTE]
There is no pressure on the top of the poll because there is no leather there. Additionally the curvature of the crownpiece puts pressure on the muscling on the side of the crest and not the poll or face. With the bridle properly fitted I can slide my whole hand under the crownpiece and down onto his jaw. There is no pressure there at all. My horse has jaw issues on the right side and he loves this bridle.
Is it within the new rule that doesn’t allow bridles to sit behind the poll? It’s hard to imagine how far back it sits with no photos of it on a horse.
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There is no pressure on the top of the poll because there is no leather there. Additionally the curvature of the crownpiece puts pressure on the muscling on the side of the crest and not the poll or face. With the bridle properly fitted I can slide my whole hand under the crownpiece and down onto his jaw. There is no pressure there at all. My horse has jaw issues on the right side and he loves this bridle.[/QUOTE]
Interesting - do they have any sort of data proving that?
I only ask because that’s not necessarily true that it offers any sort of poll relief - from the pictures it looks like it would put a lot of pressure on some major muscles behind the ears and in the neck specifically the nerve network in/around the back of the ears, which is still pressure in a sensitive area. IIRC, a lot more of the connective tissue and nerves are along the side of the atlas and poll rather than directly on top of it. The poll itself does not have a myriad of muscling over it but the muscling and ligaments to the side of the neck (where this piece rests) is very important in flexion and bending. It’s nice that so many leaps and bounds in comfort have been made for the horse but the amount of false advertising and misleading information out there on products is rampant.
The only way to avoid poll pressure is to stop putting bridles around their poll.
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Interesting - do they have any sort of data proving that?
I only ask because that’s not necessarily true that it offers any sort of poll relief - from the pictures it looks like it would put a lot of pressure on some major muscles behind the ears and in the neck specifically the nerve network in/around the back of the ears, which is still pressure in a sensitive area. IIRC, a lot more of the connective tissue and nerves are along the side of the atlas and poll rather than directly on top of it. The poll itself does not have a myriad of muscling over it but the muscling and ligaments to the side of the neck (where this piece rests) is very important in flexion and bending. It’s nice that so many leaps and bounds in comfort have been made for the horse but the amount of false advertising and misleading information out there on products is rampant.
The only way to avoid poll pressure is to stop putting bridles around their poll.[/QUOTE]
your response makes absolutely no sense in light of my earlier comment that when properly fitted, on the horse, with contact with the bit, a hand can be slipped completely under the crownpiece of the bridle.
I can’t see how there could be more than maybe one or two pounds of pressure in light of it being that loose against the horse.
I don’t use it in dressage, I am an event rider and I use it with my jumping tack.
The design looks a lot like the PS of Sweden bridles.
http://www.psofsweden.com/en/for-the-horse/bridle/olympic-revolution.html
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The design looks a lot like the PS of Sweden bridles.
http://www.psofsweden.com/en/for-the-horse/bridle/olympic-revolution.html[/QUOTE]
The Antares is much better quality and possible to buy different sized pieces, which PS will not do.
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your response makes absolutely no sense in light of my earlier comment that when properly fitted, on the horse, with contact with the bit, a hand can be slipped completely under the crownpiece of the bridle.
I can’t see how there could be more than maybe one or two pounds of pressure in light of it being that loose against the horse.
I don’t use it in dressage, I am an event rider and I use it with my jumping tack.[/QUOTE]
Sorry if it doesn’t make sense to you - what doesn’t make sense to me is that they’d make claims like that without substantiating it. Diverting the pressure from one area to another is not always beneficial especially when the sides of the poll are where there is a network of nerves and tissue. There is not a whole lot of tissue over the poll, but to the side of it exactly where the rounded disks of the bridle sit there are several important structures responsible for flexion, bend and movement of the neck and ears.
The thing is, the pressure at a standstill is not the problem. Try running your hand through it while you are on course.
Just my two cents. I haven’t had any luck with Antares, for the price you’d think they’d offer the client some sort of quality control.
While I like the bridle and have a friend who uses it on her horse and loves it – I will not justify that cost when I can buy a complete PS bridle with the same principles for MUCH less. PS does allow you to piece bridles, so not sure where that came about…while maybe not quite Antares quality, PS’s quality is very comparable to some higher end brands, I have no complaints.
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Sorry if it doesn’t make sense to you - what doesn’t make sense to me is that they’d make claims like that without substantiating it. Diverting the pressure from one area to another is not always beneficial especially when the sides of the poll are where there is a network of nerves and tissue. There is not a whole lot of tissue over the poll, but to the side of it exactly where the rounded disks of the bridle sit there are several important structures responsible for flexion, bend and movement of the neck and ears.
The thing is, the pressure at a standstill is not the problem. Try running your hand through it while you are on course.
Just my two cents. I haven’t had any luck with Antares, for the price you’d think they’d offer the client some sort of quality control.[/QUOTE]
I have actually grabbed the crown of this bridle at a brisk canter on a cross country course to fix a fly bonnet that came loose specifically because the crownpiece wasn’t able to hold it on. You can still get your hand under it enough to shove an earnet back underneath it…
I don’t know that this is any different than the Micklem claims, which if anything I think are crap because the poll pressure in that bridle is quite high.
However poll pressure is not the only thing - some horses hate the crownpiece sitting on the bottom of their ears (mine is one) and this doesn’t do that, either.
Basically everything in the horse world is “unproven” so I think it’s odd to apply that standard to some equipment but not to others. There’s no sense in doing scientific studies on a product for such a small market, a market that becomes infinitely smaller when you are talking about a $630 bridle.
My bridle is excellent quality and the service they gave me was excellent, but I bought it from Thierry directly. I’ve bought all my Antares items direct from them and have had no problems dating back about 5 years.
Is there a pic anywhere of this bridle actually on a horse?
Thank you! Is your horse a sooty buckskin? I’m soooo jealous if he is! That’s quite a piece of leather behind the ears. It looks like it’s still right up against the base of the ear, cut back and padded yes, but it’s still right up against?
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