Hello, I am just wondering if you could send me a photo of your mare–I owned Chelsea’s Ghost in his final years–ABSOLUTLY LOVED HIM—I only have 2 mares by him…so I am trying to find photos/video of some of his other mares…Thanks,
I like Wapuzzan, generally on a little blood on the mare’s side which your mare appears to have. He’s probably homozygous, so I’d rather see him on a solid mare (you could end up with a few spot) for more color, but you’re pretty certain to get at least some color. Be careful on your chosen stallion to make sure you get English sport horse, not western, conformation. There’s a huge difference (and range) between uphill vs downhill, long vs short backs.
I’m personally involved with 2 of his foals, full brothers from a TB mare. They’re both bigger than sire or dam (17 hands or better), tough as nails, hard knocking horses with great legs and feet. One’s as laid back as they get and the other’s a fireball - go figure. Good (but not warmblood) movers, excellent carriage and lift from behind. Both very uphill. Jerry’s running Preliminary with expectations to move up to Intermediate later this year, Jester’s a couple of years younger at Novice preparing for Training.
This interview pretty much tells it all:
http://eventingnation.com/home/a-horse-of-a-different-color-wapentake/
I lovelovelove Undertack, and his owner seems like the nicest person. If I am ever in the market for a horse, I’ve said many times, the search is going to start with looking for something of his.
Kinda cool seeing the eventing bloodlines list. My mare has ALL of them except for Ribot, Northern Dancer and Nearctic. Cool. 
And Hollywood Hotspot is also droolworthy! Love him. Is he as much fun to Ride as he looks, because he looks like a BLAST!
Hi there lovely people, I’ll pull this thread up again!
I’m considering breeding my Appaloosa/QH partbred next year, and putting a lot of time and consideration into the stallion.
The mare is the product of a solid bay stallion and a fewspot mare, and she’s a bay silver dapple frosted (she has roaning on her tummy and a couple of spots on her hip). Unfortunately the silver gene means I should avoid chestnut stallions, so that disqualifies quite a few.
Is it correct that since she is surely heterozygous Lp/lp, my best chance of getting a spotted foal is to cross her with a fewspot stallion?
My first choice until now has been Rodega Zadoc, closely followed by Oor Flying Scotsman and Bambas Legacy (grey gene carrier). But this thread is bringing RDF Ti Kha Atta Rain back into the running for me. Does anyone have positive or negative things to say about him, and/or ideas of what colour he might produce with my mare?
Many thanks for your help! This LP thing is driving me mad…
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Hi there lovely people, I’ll pull this thread up again!
I’m considering breeding my Appaloosa/QH partbred next year, and putting a lot of time and consideration into the stallion.
The mare is the product of a solid bay stallion and a fewspot mare, and she’s a bay silver dapple frosted (she has roaning on her tummy and a couple of spots on her hip). Unfortunately the silver gene means I should avoid chestnut stallions, so that disqualifies quite a few.
Is it correct that since she is surely heterozygous Lp/lp, my best chance of getting a spotted foal is to cross her with a fewspot stallion?
My first choice until now has been Rodega Zadoc, closely followed by Oor Flying Scotsman and Bambas Legacy (grey gene carrier). But this thread is bringing RDF Ti Kha Atta Rain back into the running for me. Does anyone have positive or negative things to say about him, and/or ideas of what colour he might produce with my mare?
Many thanks for your help! This LP thing is driving me mad…[/QUOTE]
Not sure where you are located but Ti Kha Atta Rain was exported overseas…to Scotland if I remember correctly. I do have a sport horse filly by Atta and Martha Mitchell has a filly and colt.
We have a homozygous Appaloosa stud that will likely be available next year, Hollywood Exclusive. I can’t recall if he is homozygous for bay I would have to check his DNA test results. He is homozygous for LP; he is a large snowcap. The only other thing is he’s also a dun so I’m not sure how that plays out with the silver gene. We are just now getting him started under saddle so he does not have a show record yet.
We have a bay few spot stallion that may or may not be available next year…Hollywood Premiere. We have not started his under saddle training just yet and we generally do not permit our stallions to breed until after they are going under saddle and have been to at least one show.
Both of these young stallions are by our bay Appaloosa sport horse stallion Hollywood Hot Spot. He is heterozygous for LP because he is half TB, however, he has also been very effective in throwing color to his offspring.
I’m trying to think of any other sport horse homozygous for LP stallions that are not Chestnut that would be available for breeding here in the United States but I can’t think of any off the top of my head. Admittedly though, I have not kept up with outside stallions too much in the last few years because we have been using our stallions only for producing spotted foals (Appaloosa and Knabstrupper).
Perhaps Martha Mitchell knows of some.
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Not sure where you are located but Ti Kha Atta Rain was exported overseas…to Scotland if I remember correctly. I do have a sport horse filly by Atta and Martha Mitchell has a filly and colt.[/QUOTE]
Sorry - I should have clarified. I am UK located, which is precisely why I am asking about Atta Rain. There seems to be a lot of enthusiasm for him in this thread - any positives/negatives people would like to get off their chests? I would generally like to avoid getting a fewspot foal, but I can’t see that he’s thrown a lot of those.
So my priority list is as follows:
-Rodega Zadoc
-Oor Flying Scotsman
-RDF Ti Kha Atta Rain
-Bambas Legacy
Aside from choosing a stallion with a conformation to complement the mare (all four of these fulfil that criterion) personality/temperament is priority #1 for me.
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The only other thing is he’s also a dun so I’m not sure how that plays out with the silver gene.[/QUOTE]
I was under the impression that Dun horses could not be registered Appaloosa, and most warmblood registries won’t accept Dun horses either. Has this changed?
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I was under the impression that Dun horses could not be registered Appaloosa, and most warmblood registries won’t accept Dun horses either. Has this changed?[/QUOTE]
There are many Appaloosas that carry the dun gene that are registered in the Appaloosa Horse Club (ApHC). Same with Appaloosas carrying the cream gene.
With regards to dun in warmblood registries I have to say that I do not know of any of the more popular warmblood breeds that naturally carry the dun gene. Dun likely made it’s way into the Appaloosas with the infusion of QH at some point in the past. I’m not an expert on dun but it does seem that dun is most common in the QH breed. Cream is also common in QH but is found in some other breeds (but not as common). So if there are warmblood registries that do not accept dun I would think that it is because QH blood is generally not considered an acceptable cross for many of the registries. There are some cream carrying warmbloods, definitely, Arabs and TBs which would be acceptable breeds in many of the warmblood registries.
Now, I would expect that the American Warmblood Society would accept dun because they accept a variety of breeds and crosses. And since the Appaloosa Sport Horse Association (ApSHA being different than the ApHC noted above) has been handed over to the AWS I’m sure there would be dun Appaloosa type horses over there if their owners cared to change their paperwork.
I like Atta babies. I did not get the chance to meet Atta in person because he was at the clinic for breeding but I did meet several of his babies when I visited his prior owner’s farm in South Dakota. All the babies were very sweet and friendly. Loved them. The mares were also very kind foundation Appaloosa mares so we can’t credit Atta as the only contributor to their temperaments. LOL The mare I bred to Atta is a lover and her filly is also a sweet heart. So if all these foals remained as sweet as their dams I should think he is pretty darn consistent in throwing a good temperament.
Atta produces leggy foals which sport horse enthusiasts usually love. What you have to be careful with when you have really leggy foals is that you don’t let them grow too fast when they are very young. If they are one-sided in their grazing and other ground feeding activities (same leg is always preferred to be pulled under them as they reach down to graze) these long legged foals will tend to get upright in one foot. Foals out of short legged mares or foundation Appaloosa mares will probably be less prone to this problem. This can happen with many breeds of horses and usually seen where the foal has particularly long legs or perhaps the legs are too long in proportion to the neck at that stage of growth.
With our long legged babies we try to balance out the one-sided activity so the tendons will stay stretched and the heel spread as it should be. We may have them eat from a high hanging small mesh hay net when they are in a stall or in a lot that doesn’t have much grass. This way they stand more balanced with weight on both front feet (both heels) for a good chunk of the day or night.
If you want to know anything else you are welcome to contact me privately.
