MPACK
Sorry for all you had to go through. I am glad I got “Awesome” sent back before any more drama could unfold… She of course never could send me a reciept on anything I payed her and luckily I payed the shipper myself when the horse arrived at my farm. Of course I havent heard a word from her since I started getting upset with her… I wonder if she even knows how to do good… she is a sad case… its in God’s hands now and I am a firm believer in kharma.
“Rebuttal”
Any of you read the rebuttal Britney wrote on “Rip-off Report”? VERY lengthy…No problems with the computer this time after viewing. I ran Norton antivirus again after and nothing was detected.
TrailQueen
Send the link if you dont mind!
ripoff report
My response to Britney’s rebuttal will be up tomorrow; if not, will cut and paste and drop in here tomorrow. Once I got beyond the awful grammar and atrocious spelling, I found myself wondering who she was talking about, as I don’t recall about 70% of that story. She remembers having conversations with me that I didn’t take part in. She also conveniently left out the part that I started trying to return the horse to her at the beginning of June (less than 3 weeks after we picked him up - and by the way, don’t know why she doesn’t remember the calls to her cell phone on our way down telling her we had the trailer with us, as she’d made it very clear Gus had to be out of there “now”). I have been requesting the name and phone number of her attorney for over 7 weeks now, and of course it has never been provided.
By the way, how 'bout all those “supporters” who have rallied to her defense? Wonder if they have access to the internet? Wonder if it is anybody outside of her immediate family? I would love to hear a success story about an adoption from Britney. Since she told me she’s placed over 2300 horses/ponies in her 24 years, there has to be at least ONE success story.
Kyzteke
My biggest objection to the way this girl does business is that she represents the horses/ponies are “For Sale”. Now think about it, all of the equine sale websites offer options of “For Sale”, “For Lease”, or both. According to Britney’s rebuttal and emails she sent to me, she has never “sold” a horse in her entire career as a “rescue” person. If a person is placing an ad for a horse on one of these websites and has the option to pick what category the transaction falls under, if the horse is never for sale, isn’t it a deceptive trade practice to actively select that category and represent the horse as “for sale”?
Here’s the text on the ad for Gus that appeared on Dreamhorse:
“Looking for person interested in rehabing – SUPER TALENTED 17.3 HAND TB IN NEED OF REHAB” suitable for dressage, english pleasure, jumping, kid-safe family horse, lesson horse (prospect) Notes: 17.3 hand 13 yr old grand prix jumper and fei dressage gelding. Looking for a forever home for him. I will lease, adopt or sell him to a perfect home. Great investment. This gelding has had a run of bad luck with improper farrier work, he is started on the mend. He has a pulled tendon in the front right leg and corrective shoeing. He is underweight, but slowly gaining it back. I’m only interested in serious adult with the finanical [sic] support. Very quiet, no badhabits [sic]. Please email me for info." Thank heavens I saved the ad, it disappeared like smoke on May 22d.
Here’s the info/background that Britney gave me over the phone - rescue from Southern California, show name was Handsome N Guilty, barn name Gus. She had possession of Gus for over 9 weeks, and while he’d been reshod and wormed, she had been unable (for whatever reason) to have her local vet look at or treat the horse. Didn’t have pictures, camera wasn’t working.
I did go see Gus on May 17th before my husband and I picked him up on May 21st. We were looking for a jumper for my husband and needed a tall horse. On the 17th, he was out and about and moving around with a limp consistent with a pulled tendon, with attendant swelling in the ankle and lower limb. Given the description and her representation that the only problem with this horse was a pulled tendon, we both went to Warsaw on May 21st. She in an email that same day had dropped the price from $1000 to $500, because she “liked” me and she needed to make room for several more rescue horses arriving at her parents’ farm and needed to move Gus “now”. We called her cell phone twice before arriving and told her we had the trailer with us, to which she said “great”.
We offered on the spot to foster the horse at our facility in Cleveland for up to two months at our expense, and since that was not acceptable to Britney and she still needed him out of there “now”, with a big flourish she presented these “adoption” papers and said sign here. I was so afraid she would take the horse to Sugar Creek that we took him in. Giant mistake.
The diatribe that is her rebuttal on Ripoff.com is typical of the correspondence you get from Britney/Brit Le’ Brand/BLB Equine Rescue, or whatever she is calling herself/her business now. The phone calls are even weirder. It is safe to say that no matter how long you have been in the horse world and owned/trained/showed/whatever horses, you do not under any circumstances know a quarter of what this 24 year old knows. Reminds me of the bumpersticker that says “hire a teenager while they still know everything”. For somebody who is obsessed with proper paperwork and making the adoptors/leasees/forever home people of “her” horses produce pix and checks on time and to her exact specifications, Britney was unable to produce either a coggins or health certificate for Gus. Now how the heck did she get him shipped from So Calif to her without those papers???
I am still trying to figure out how she could have Gus in her possession and could not be bothered to have a vet look at/treat him for what was clearly to us and to her a painful injury in both front legs. Here’s what our vet’s diagnosis after exam and xrays: rotated coffin bones in both front feet, abscesses caused by the “corrective” shoeing in both front feet that ruptured from the bottom of both feet and then from the coronet bands on both feet, low nerved on the front right and probably also the left front, navicular, fused front left ankle, extensive calcification and aggressive ringbone on both front ankles, probably a permanently damaged deep flexor tendon on the right front, very VERY underweight and hand-walk only (Britney had him turned out in a hilly pasture with multiple other horses). Lo and behold, NOTHING was wrong with the right front tendon. The horse almost died after a 2 hour trailer ride to Cleveland after we took him home. How the heck did he survive a cross-country ship from Calif???
Is that enough info for you, Kyzteke? Here’s some additional info – the language in my Bill of Sale that she’s representing as a “lie” reads as follows: “Sellers have disclosed all known facts relevant to whether the horse can meet Buyer’s specified purpose, which Buyer has discussed in general with Sellers being the use of the horse for a companion animal or limited pleasure riding. Buyer acknowledges that the horse has a pre-existing injury that may render the horse unable to be used for Buyer’s specified diring purposes, and Buyer acknowledges that Buyer assumes ownership of the horse, as is, where is, in current condition, and hereby waives all future claims against Sellers in the event the horse does not recover from its injuries.” The next sentence states that the Sellers warrant they have clear title to the horse. You tell me which part of that paragraph caused the sudden about-face that the agreed to bill of sale language is unacceptable to Miss Britney…
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My response to Britney’s rebuttal will be up tomorrow; if not, will cut and paste and drop in here tomorrow. Once I got beyond the awful grammar and atrocious spelling, I found myself wondering who she was talking about, as I don’t recall about 70% of that story. She remembers having conversations with me that I didn’t take part in. She also conveniently left out the part that I started trying to return the horse to her at the beginning of June (less than 3 weeks after we picked him up - and by the way, don’t know why she doesn’t remember the calls to her cell phone on our way down telling her we had the trailer with us, as she’d made it very clear Gus had to be out of there “now”). I have been requesting the name and phone number of her attorney for over 7 weeks now, and of course it has never been provided.
By the way, how 'bout all those “supporters” who have rallied to her defense? Wonder if they have access to the internet? Wonder if it is anybody outside of her immediate family? I would love to hear a success story about an adoption from Britney. Since she told me she’s placed over 2300 horses/ponies in her 24 years, there has to be at least ONE success story.[/QUOTE]
I was thinking the same thing. I’m sure someone out there got what they wanted. I’m pretty sure she has only been in the rescue business for a few years. Giving her the benefit of the doubt, if she has adopted horses out since she graduated from high school, wouldn’t that be about 383 horses a year:eek:? Aren’t there still 365 days in a year?? At that rate, no wonder she can’t return phone calls, emails, etc.:lol:
ripoff report
hey, good news, my response to Miss Britney’s rebuttal is already posted, here is the link: http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/363/RipOff0363777.htm#342715
My original post is at the top of the page, links to Miss Britney’s “rebuttal” and my update response is at the bottom of the page, do scroll all the way down. 
Just trying to read what she wrote gave me a headache. :eek: I’m sure if I’d read her entire message I’d need a serious drink. As a matter of fact, that’s sounding pretty good!
What a dingbat.
cloudyandcallie
I called the Coshocton Co sheriff re: an escort to return Gus because the emails we were getting from Britney were getting so nasty and disconnected (she referred to herself in the third person throughout her notes, as if “Brit Le’ Brand Farm” was her name, not her business) at the recommendation of one of my friends who is a deputy sheriff (mounted patrol) for Morrow County. Everybody at the Coshocton Co sheriffs office was WONDERFUL, and were very happy to help us out. Lt. Kobel was also delightful to talk to, he is a horse person and rescued a sweetheart tbred from Sugar Creek. Excellent suggestion on dropping them a follow up thank you note, will do that tomorrow. Thanks!
False Papers
A friend of mine “bought” A horse from this person. Mare was great, but Brittney gave her a false set of papers with the mare. A very convincing color copy. Not the originals. So things went round and round with APHA, and she still cannot get the mare’s papers.
More than just misrepresenting the horses…
Unfortuantely, her dishonest trend exceeds just misrepresenting the horse–which is bad enough. As outlined in my previous posts, she lied to my husband and I regarding checks we sent to her in order to extort more $ from us…lied regarding shipping fees and had us send to her $200. over what the shipper was charging and then told the shipper not to give us the receipt…lied about registration papers trying to get us to pay $1500. for the privilege of having them?? … she is just plain NOT to be trusted. I followed dogontired’s lead and have posted on that “ripoff” site. Really, though I don’t have any vindictive feelings towards her. I just feel it’s my duty to try and “sound the warning!”
“private treaty” sale price
I was wondering myself and thought I would post what I found on equiplanet.com in case anyone else wants to know:What does Private Treaty Mean?
Private Treaty means that the seller does not want to display the price publicly and may only release it to serious inquiries. You will need to contact them directly to inquire about the price.
Also read that it leaves the door open for the seller to adjust the price according to who is looking at the horse…hmmmmmmm
Private Treaty and Gus
Private treaty also means if you have to ask, you can’t afford. Most horses going for private treaty price are at the Authentic and Judgment price level (which for you non-Grand Prix folks means way over $500,000.00). I don’t think by any stretch of the imagination (except, perhaps, Britney’s imagination) any of the horses that she channels through her parent’s farm would EVER fall into that price range.
Speaking of Gus, it occurred to me that I have not explained to anyone (including Britney, because I stopped speaking verbally with her at the beginning of July and conducted all conversations with her after that in writing) WHY I wanted to “buy” Gus outright, free and clear of Britney. I found a wonderful home for Gussie here in Cleveland with a family of two very happily married adults that have 5 adorable kids ranging from 18 to 6 who had spent most of July with Gussie, and all of whom are still not speaking to me for having returned Gussie to Miss Britney. My plans were to buy Gus from dingbat and park him with this wonderful family for as long as they wanted to spend huge amounts of time and love on this terrific horse, and because I really like these people, I could not bring myself to subject them to direct contact with Britney.
Miss Britney asked me at the end of June to help her find a pasture pet home for Gus, and I did but she demanded all of the names, addresses, phone numbers, references, vet names, boarding facility names, etc etc etc (everything BUT a social security card and a criminal background check) on my friend. Even by the end of June, I had enough of a clue about Britney World and was not about to give her an iota of information about my friend.
After that, she flat out refused to let me place Gus with these friends because she was not able to “keep track” of Gus with a contract. So, I talked w/ a girlfriend at the barn about parking Gus and my friend’s 25 yr old Irish tbred at her mom’s farm that had no fence but which could easily be fenced and fairly quickly. This was also unacceptable with Miss Britney. She wanted to make sure that Gus had a home for the rest of his life. For crying out loud, Britney, the horse is 13. Who would want to be handicapped with you for the rest of this horse’s life?
Ergo, Gussie went back to Britney World, much to everyone’s sorrow here. I, on the other hand, am comfortable that Gussie is (I hope) still at the family farm surrounded by children and other horses who desperately need love and attention…
new Ripoff Report filed against Britney/Brit Le Brand
here is a new complaint filed regarding Britney world. I’m still waiting for Britney’s “many supporters” to flood this thread with their “overwhelming” support for Britney…
Britney Sturtz and Brit LeBrand Farm
well, the response to my response to her rebuttal has been posted, and me, the “digruntaled” wicked witch from up north, is now being accused of performing “unauthorized life-altering surgery” on Gus. Hope Brit Le Brand is not going to accuse me of having him gelded…
The Gus that we dropped off at her parents’ farm three weeks and three days ago was healthy, in much better condition, and almost sound. Whatever has happened to him while in her “care” and custody is beyond my knowledge and my control. This is between Gus, Britney/Brit Le Brand and God. I have been, and will continue to, pray hard to God to protect Gus.
Maybe she thinks you had him “ungelded”
Poor Gus, I feel so sorry for him.
???
Am I missing something here??? Why do people still list their horses as FOR SALE and then under the horses name list ADOPTION ONLY? And why is there an ad on dreamhorse for a “grey, canadian sporthorse,special gelding (adoption only)” with the asking price of $8-FOR SALE: YES, FOR LEASE: NO… and the same horse on equine.com -STATUS:FOR SALE for $800 and his name is ADOPTION ONLY:confused: OMG!! For anyone interested, anuphillbattle posted interesting tidbits on crossed sabers thread “question of contract validity or cause for voiding”
Britney Sturtz
Why can’t I find these horses on dreamhorse or equine? Still waiting for the grey Tb to pop back up…
dreamhorse
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Why can’t I find these horses on dreamhorse or equine? Still waiting for the grey Tb to pop back up…[/QUOTE]
Look in advanced search, 10 miles within the 43844 zip and it will be the second one up. It’s NOW a $700 canadian sport horse (grey) still FOR SALE, NOT for lease, but adoption only
. What’s the difference???
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