My newest training horse is a reg. Paint, and just an amazing horse. Wonderful conformation, lovely mover, gorgeous to look at and great personality. Now, I am a TB person myself, so while I found this guy on pedigree query, I have NO idea what I’m looking at.
I would love for any Paint folks out there to clue me in on this guys pedigree, relatives, etc.
Thanks!
Impressive was a VERY popular sire. At one point, just about every other quarter horse, appaloosa or paint halter horse had Impressive breeding. Most horses with HYPP trace directly to Impressive. (It used to be called “Impressive Syndrome”).
Sorry, on looking at my post, I found it to be too negative sounding, and I don’t intend that. Impressive was a very popular sire for good reason - he passed on exceptional conformation to his get. We had an Impressive grandson and besides being as handsome as all get out, he was a dream to work with.
But, Impressive is far enough back in this pedigree that I wouldn’t give his contribution much weight 
I too would love to know more about the closer lines of this horse if he’s that much of a fun guy to work with
you’ve got both worlds there…
His mama is basically QH racing and TB thus a lot of athletes and his sire is a mishmash of halter and performance horses, usually heavily muscled and pretty headed. Most are known for thier smarts and a few were a bit hard to handle such as Obsessed to Impress, which had a pretty nasty temperment, but a lot of his babies were very sweet, so his problems could have stemmed from being a stud and hating his job, which I don’t blame him for that! I’ll bet your guy can do just about anything you ask him to do and with a smile on both of your faces!
Two of my faves for sport in there… Dixie’s War Drum on top, Te N Te on the bottom.
Sonny Dee Bar if you go a little further. Sonny Dee Bar can be very recognizeable by pretty, typey (TB’dy) heads, long, low but reaching movement… Many, many 4 whites/blaze/belly spot Sonny Dees out there that you can spot a mile away.
Three Bars (of course) via Sugar Bars…
Yellow Jacket and Plauditt waaaay back…
I just plain like the pedigree for sport. The Impressive doesn’t bother me at all that far back, he DID give substance and muscle or they wouldn’t keep breeding his lines.
Thanks for the input so far guys! I’ll have to get some good pictures of him - the ones I have now don’t do him justice at all.
paintjumper - Oh I wish he were mine. Sadly I just have him for 3 months or so to be started. The hardest part about him so far, is trying not to fall in love with him!
Here he is on Sunday - the very DAY he arrived - during his VERY FIRST DAY undersaddle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZILXsFSRy4
He has about 1/4 halter lines (Obsessed to Impress is a halter horse too tanky to get out of his own way) but the damside of his sire is cutting/reining bred and the damside is a mix of Western performance and racing lines. Going a ways back he is overall about 30% TB in his pedigree (mostly from the damside).
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Two of my faves for sport in there… Dixie’s War Drum on top, Te N Te on the bottom.
Sonny Dee Bar if you go a little further. Sonny Dee Bar can be very recognizeable by pretty, typey (TB’dy) heads, long, low but reaching movement… Many, many 4 whites/blaze/belly spot Sonny Dees out there that you can spot a mile away.
Three Bars (of course) via Sugar Bars…
Yellow Jacket and Plauditt waaaay back…
I just plain like the pedigree for sport. The Impressive doesn’t bother me at all that far back, he DID give substance and muscle or they wouldn’t keep breeding his lines.[/QUOTE]
Love the Te N Te…as well as Three Bars.
Sonny Dee Bar was an awesome stallion. The stallion Reynolds Rap was my very favorite by him.
The Impressive, like someone else stated did have the HYPP in it, but like they said, it’s pretty far back to not have to worry so much but if you do ever intend on selling him I would get a test done just to make sure he doesn’t have a trace in him and you can tell people who may be educated on this that he’s HYPP neg.
Unless it’s known that his sire is N/N, I’d absolutely get this horse tested. Better to feed and understand the disease while the horse is yours/the owners than to feed improperly and be surprised by an attack one day. Conditioning is important too, and keeping his life low stress. IF he’s positive, that is 
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Impressive was a VERY popular sire. At one point, just about every other quarter horse, appaloosa or paint halter horse had Impressive breeding. Most horses with HYPP trace directly to Impressive. (It used to be called “Impressive Syndrome”).[/QUOTE]
Actually, all horses with HYPP trace directly to Impressive. It started with Impressive and is only found in his direct descendants (none of his siblings/relatives have produced HYPP offspring).
While Impressive is far back in this horses pedigree, it should be considered quite seriously, as any amount of Impressive blood can have HYPP, so the horse (or his parents) must be HYPP N/N or he could be afflicted with the condition. HYPP is symptomatic in both N/H and H/H horses. It’s not recessive. Before training, I would get his status checked. The last thing you need is for him to have a seizure while you are working with him. It is the SCARIEST thing you will ever see. Seriously. It’s also extremely dangerous. Horses generally need to be managed on a strict diet. Intensive or new training is one of the times (as well as breeding/foaling… especially the first time) that many horses have their first episode (i.e. during times of stress, or more importantly, new stresses).
I love Three Bars. In my opinion, any Three Bars is good Three Bars 
He was, imo, the perfect Quarter Horse stallion, and is considered one of the top 10 most influential Quarter Horse stallions ever. (Not bad for a TB :)).
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Actually, all horses with HYPP trace directly to Impressive. It started with Impressive and is only found in his direct descendants (none of his siblings/relatives have produced HYPP offspring).
While Impressive is far back in this horses pedigree, it should be considered quite seriously, as any amount of Impressive blood can have HYPP, so the horse (or his parents) must be HYPP N/N or he could be afflicted with the condition. HYPP is symptomatic in both N/H and H/H horses. It’s not recessive. Before training, I would get his status checked. The last thing you need is for him to have a seizure while you are working with him. It is the SCARIEST thing you will ever see. Seriously. It’s also extremely dangerous. Horses generally need to be managed on a strict diet. Intensive or new training is one of the times (as well as breeding/foaling… especially the first time) that many horses have their first episode (i.e. during times of stress, or more importantly, new stresses).
I love Three Bars. In my opinion, any Three Bars is good Three Bars He was, imo, the perfect Quarter Horse stallion, and is considered one of the top 10 most influential Quarter Horse stallions ever. (Not bad for a TB :)).[/QUOTE]
Good point!
OP I would take the advice of this person. There was a time where I wouldn’t even look at an Impressive horse for the reason that I just didn’t wanna bother with the whole HYPP thing, but that was years ago. Check his status to keep him AND most importantly, yourself, safe.
There is some thought that there are some HYPP horses who do not trace to Impressive, but to Impressive’s Dam. I don’t know that it’s ever been proven, but that thought is out there.
He looks like a really sweet boy and did a great job for you on his first ride!
It looks like he has some decent breeding, although it seems to me that the ones with the show record are second and third generation back. Paint/ Pinto breeders like to see the show records closer up, but that’s not to say that your guy won’t speak for himself.
He has some nice bloodlines that others have already mentioned… Te N Te was just an awesome all around horse, ROMs and/ or Superiors in Racing, Western Pleasure, Halter and HUS. You just don’t find many horses that can do all of that AND be successful in it.
He also goes back to the Hancock lines twice on his Dam’s side. I just bought a Hancock QH stud colt and am REALLY looking forward to seeing what he can do. I haven’t personally seen any that I haven’t liked… they tend to be put together well and have great minds, with some color to boot!
Of course, there are Three Bars and Sonny Dee Bar. Three Bars is the only horse to be registered with both the JC and AQHA. Sonny Dee Bar is probably one of the best, if not the best, known QH sire in the industry. You can’t find too many horses that don’t trace back to him somehow.
Your guys also goes back to Skipper W, who proved himself not only as a racer, but as a sire. He is a Wisecamp horse, and they have the reputation of producing some OUTSTANDING horses.
Go Man Go was also an awesome racing stallion. Not sure of his get though. The ones I’ve seen tend to be pretty catty and quick, but I haven’t really looked in to him much more than that.
As for the Impressive bloodlines… I would DEFINATELY get him tested. N/H horses may not have issues themselves and unless tested, someone may never know that he was affected. I own a few Impressive bred horses myself and they have great minds and a solid work ethic. I don’t know much about Obessed to Impress, but I’ve seen his photos and ads. He is NOT, IMHO a great representation of a TRUE Halter horse. Halter horses are supposed to be a representation of a horse that is put together properly for its JOB! Operative word being JOB! Standing in a ring, being a fatso on toothpicks with itty bitty hooves doesn’t count! Don’t even get me started on the ‘modern’ Halter horses… makes my blood boil. :mad:
Anyhow… back on track… your guys certainly doesn’t look like he leans toward the Halter breeding on his sire’s side. He looks like a very sweet boy and should do well in many disciplines, if his bloodlines have anything to say about it!
I realize he’s a ways back, but Kid Meyers was one heck of a stallion. AAA racehorse and AQHA’s 1st Supreme Champion.
The 2nd horse I ever owned was a grandaughter of Kid Meyers. I sold her almost 15 years ago and I still regret it with all my heart to this very day. She was phenomenally level headed. I could ride her anywhere and around/through anything. Totally unflappable.
She was only 14.3 or so but she had a very nice build and an adorable personality.
Three Bars is my all-time favorite sire of QH’s and Cinco crosses to him multiple times on both sides. Never a bad thing in my book!
We had 2 with Go Man Go up close for polo. Neither worked out for us. Super athletes and quick as a cat…so that part was good. Unfortunately both came up short in the brains department…were dead runaways at a gallop (and they were FAST!). Only a wall would stop them…no bit would. They were both sold as barrel horse propects.
Obessed To Impress very much looks like the unfortunately “modern” (aka useless overfed Olive On Toothpicks) halter horse.
First, any horse with Impressive, no matter how far back, should be tested for HyPP and hopefully be N/N.
If not you better prevent any trouble by feeding and exercising him right for that condition.
You can get testing kits for very little from the AQHA or U. of Davis, CA.
AQHA horses today that trace to Impressive have their HyPP status indicated right on the registration papers, as either from N/N parents, N/H or H/H parents and need to be tested, or tested and the test result indicated.
APHA is not doing that yet, I don’t think.
Other than that Impressive, that in AQHA and APHA circles is a sale killer for many, because it makes them harder to resell, the rest of the pedigree is sure nice, nothing to note that is not good, sound and sensible.
Correct. With AQHA Impressive bred horses must be tested and results are on the papers. They recently started not allowing registration of any H/H horses. The APHA has done nothing in that department. I wish they would!
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He looks like a really sweet boy and did a great job for you on his first ride!
It looks like he has some decent breeding, although it seems to me that the ones with the show record are second and third generation back. Paint/ Pinto breeders like to see the show records closer up, but that’s not to say that your guy won’t speak for himself.
He has some nice bloodlines that others have already mentioned… Te N Te was just an awesome all around horse, ROMs and/ or Superiors in Racing, Western Pleasure, Halter and HUS. You just don’t find many horses that can do all of that AND be successful in it.
He also goes back to the Hancock lines twice on his Dam’s side. I just bought a Hancock QH stud colt and am REALLY looking forward to seeing what he can do. I haven’t personally seen any that I haven’t liked… they tend to be put together well and have great minds, with some color to boot!
Of course, there are Three Bars and Sonny Dee Bar. Three Bars is the only horse to be registered with both the JC and AQHA. Sonny Dee Bar is probably one of the best, if not the best, known QH sire in the industry. You can’t find too many horses that don’t trace back to him somehow.
Your guys also goes back to Skipper W, who proved himself not only as a racer, but as a sire. He is a Wisecamp horse, and they have the reputation of producing some OUTSTANDING horses.
Go Man Go was also an awesome racing stallion. Not sure of his get though. The ones I’ve seen tend to be pretty catty and quick, but I haven’t really looked in to him much more than that.
As for the Impressive bloodlines… I would DEFINATELY get him tested. N/H horses may not have issues themselves and unless tested, someone may never know that he was affected. I own a few Impressive bred horses myself and they have great minds and a solid work ethic. I don’t know much about Obessed to Impress, but I’ve seen his photos and ads. He is NOT, IMHO a great representation of a TRUE Halter horse. Halter horses are supposed to be a representation of a horse that is put together properly for its JOB! Operative word being JOB! Standing in a ring, being a fatso on toothpicks with itty bitty hooves doesn’t count! Don’t even get me started on the ‘modern’ Halter horses… makes my blood boil. :mad:
Anyhow… back on track… your guys certainly doesn’t look like he leans toward the Halter breeding on his sire’s side. He looks like a very sweet boy and should do well in many disciplines, if his bloodlines have anything to say about it![/QUOTE]
Three Bars was not registered as a Quarter Horse. He was listed as an approved sire of Quarter Horses (as was Witez II and Indraff… both Arabians from the same time period). Minor distinction, but it would be unfair to classify him as a Quarter Horse as it could confuse people who are interested in the Steel Dust and FQH horses. Neither registry allows any Three Bars for a certificate (though for the % certificates you could feasibly have him on the papers). Their was an article about 10 years ago in the journal on him. (I think it was a tribute either near his b’day or his death date anniversary). Their is not a single branch of the Quarter Horse breed (cutting, reining, team penning, barrel racing, hunter/english pleasure, western pleasure, halter, racing) that has not been influenced by him. At one time, in the 50’s I think, his stud fee was 10,000. I can’t imagine what it would be today
Go Man Go was a phenomenal horse. His downside (or that of his offspring) would be that they would not stop until they were tired (exhausted). They were quick, and had an incredible amount of endurance. They also got bored extremely quickly. I knew a rancher out in ND who successfully used them as stock horses (through the stallion Go Man Go Jr) for many years. He said they were great for long rides because you couldn’t tire them out. He was careful with which mares were bred with the lines though, favoring the cooler temperments of Bay Leo and Two Eyed Jack, as well as some of the Wiescamp horses. One of my geldings was a Bay Leo/Go Man Go grandson. He was a great kids horse (walked on eggshells) but if an adult was on him, he had a motor, and used it. Very quick horse. He was my w/t wp horse… but my mom successfully used him for barrels. You would have sworn they were different horses. (this was long ago, before the wp looked like they were half lame and moving in reverse).
Skip N To The Drum is listed with APHA as being HYPP Negative.
That would make it impossible for the OP’s gelding to be an HYPP carrier.
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