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Arab People: 6 ex-circus Arabs to be auctioned at Cranbury Sales Stable tonight (Wed)

Off Course
#1

This came across my FB feed just now, not sure if anyone has already mentioned it. Six ex-circus Arabs to be auctioned off at Cranbury sales Stable, New Jersey tonight FB = https://www.facebook.com/pages/Cranbury-Sale-Stable/751937054862253. All are mares, grey, between 9-13 years, and have coggins.

Arabian Rescue Mission Inc have info on their facebook page, https://www.facebook.com/arabrescue. Cie Sadeghy also has info on her FB page, https://www.facebook.com/MiGifToU?fref=nf and is working with other groups to try save them. Hopefully they’re all communicating so they don’t end up bidding against each other.

Apparently horses cannot be pulled before the auction, all go under the hammer. Phone bids accepted. Auction starts at 8pm eastern time (it’s 8.29 am Thursday here in New Zealand, I’m not sure what time it is there).

#2

Update in case anyone is interested: Arabian Rescue Mission Inc were able to buy all six at the auction :slight_smile:

#3

[QUOTE=Horse with No Name;7995031]
Update in case anyone is interested: Arabian Rescue Mission Inc were able to buy all six at the auction :)[/QUOTE]

YAY!!

#4

Thank you for the heads-up and the good update!

#5

Go to the Arabian Rescue Mission website to donate if you would like to—was $5600 for all of the horses

#6

GREAT!! :smiley: As a longtime fan of the Cranbury (formerly Camelot) auction, bless each and every person who buys one from there.

I do want to note, however, that the “at-risk” status of a lot of these horses is a bit overstated. Since Cranbury took over, I’ve noted a great preponderance of grays and small ponies. Generally speaking, the KB’s won’t buy small ponies because the plants don’t want them and it doesn’t pay since they don’t weigh much, and double-ditto for grays since the plants won’t take them due to melanomas. The reason I know is my first TWH nearly starved to death in a kill pen, repeatedly passed by. So the thing those little guys and whites are most at risk of is a return to an owner who doesn’t want to keep them.

What this means in practical terms is that the bays, chestnuts, etc. of full horse size are MOST “at risk” to wind up on The Truck to Canada. Mexico is out of the business now by order of the EU. Just for a heads-up!

#7

[QUOTE=Horse with No Name;7995031]
Update in case anyone is interested: Arabian Rescue Mission Inc were able to buy all six at the auction :)[/QUOTE]

Hmmm… why does this rescue name ring a bell?

#8

They got in trouble a couple of years ago for co-mingling funds. There have been questions and concerns and rumors following them for years.
Sheilah

#9

I’m a whole ocean away and don’t know the ins and outs of any groups involved but, in my many visits to various FB pages I visited while following the plight of the six Arabs, I did pick up on some hostility towards ARM Inc from another group.

#10

Glad the horses got a home, but $900 a horse doesn’t seem like a rescue from kill buyers…were they outbidding legitimate buyers/homes?

#11

[QUOTE=IdahoRider;7996732]
They got in trouble a couple of years ago for co-mingling funds. There have been questions and concerns and rumors following them for years.
Sheilah[/QUOTE]

Oh you’re right, but that was not what I was remembering.
They also worked closely with AC4H. As if that doesn’t instantly make you suspicious.
But that’s also not what I was remembering.

I was remembering the lady I horse sit for asking me about 3 horses locally living on scrub weeds that hadn’t been mowed in forever, no hay, no grain, nothing… in a barbed wire enclosure with no shelter [not legally required] and only a stream for a water source… in the heat and bug infested summer, without fly spray.
Just this past summer.

Turns out they had come to NY without coggins and iirc without verification of vaccinations.
From Arabian Rescue Mission.

Charming organization.
I hope they care for these 6 better than they did those 3 I saw this summer.

#12

I am a huge supporter of ARM! I adopted my little Arab from them and it was the best $75 I have ever spent. I met many of the volunteers (and was one of them, trimming some of the stallions) and the welfare of the horses was absolutely their top priority.
Regarding the horses in NY… how is ARM at fault? They don’t have control over the horses once the new owners take them.

And yes, I had to do vaccinations on my dime and I had absolutely NO problem with that. Good lord, what do you want from these people?? They didn’t own these horses, they were facilitating their “escape” from the hell they were living in.

#13

[QUOTE=SoMuchToLearn;7997780]
I am a huge supporter of ARM! I adopted my little Arab from them and it was the best $75 I have ever spent. I met many of the volunteers (and was one of them, trimming some of the stallions) and the welfare of the horses was absolutely their top priority.
Regarding the horses in NY… how is ARM at fault? They don’t have control over the horses once the new owners take them.

And yes, I had to do vaccinations on my dime and I had absolutely NO problem with that. Good lord, what do you want from these people?? They didn’t own these horses, they were facilitating their “escape” from the hell they were living in.[/QUOTE]

User name there pretty much sums it up.

I usually stay out of these but 900 a head is not a rescue price and it is illegal to transport across state lines without a coggins, shame on both sides for that one. And no it’s not okay.

#14

[QUOTE=SoMuchToLearn;7997780]
I am a huge supporter of ARM! I adopted my little Arab from them and it was the best $75 I have ever spent. I met many of the volunteers (and was one of them, trimming some of the stallions) and the welfare of the horses was absolutely their top priority.
Regarding the horses in NY… how is ARM at fault? They don’t have control over the horses once the new owners take them.[/QUOTE]

They are at fault because the horses were ARMs, not with ‘new owners’… but then again, even if they were with new owners, most rescues I know and respect would be watching out for the welfare of even those they had found new homes for.

[QUOTE=SoMuchToLearn;7997780]
And yes, I had to do vaccinations on my dime and I had absolutely NO problem with that. Good lord, what do you want from these people?? They didn’t own these horses, they were facilitating their “escape” from the hell they were living in.[/QUOTE]

Yeah… no. They were in NY because we are mere minutes to ARMs home farm, the local person who owned the land let ARM put these 4 horses [I forgot it was 4, not 3] on his vacant land. That will never happen again, since it was learned what ARM pulled putting unvaccinated horses without coggins there and leaving them in those conditions.

Playing fast and loose with rules [whether what money is yours/not yours or regarding laws about transport] is not cool.
It’s even less cool if you are a ‘rescue’ and therefore someone most people feel should be setting the example of how it should be done, not as an example of how to do it wrong.

#15

I’ve seen a lot of the smack talk about ARM on here, but have to say that my experience with them has been very positive and I’ve helped out on a few occasions by fostering and helping with transport, and out of my own pocket. I do think that Terry, et al. tries very hard to do as much good as she possibly can against practically insurmountable odds. Myself and others involved in taking in these horses, did have to complete applications and give references, which they did check, but unless you are going to go out and personally inspect each situation, you just cannot know where and in what state the situations are where all the horses wind up, and it’s not realistic. With a ridiculous amount of Arabian owners/“breeders” keeping many more horses than they should, the situations ARM often delves in to are challenging, to say the least.

I’ve also been doing cat (see name of farm) and to some extent, dog rescue for over twenty years, privately and out of my own pocket, because an inordinate number of “rescue” people and/or groups are frankly bat shit crazy, egocentric, back stabbing, control freaks. Who while doing a lot of good, also indulge in sniping at each other to the level of an Olympic sport. It really is atrocious and is what has kept me from being more involved in that community through the years. Terry and ARM did not fall into that category in my experience, thankfully.

I do agree that the prices sometimes paid at various auctions for horses in need of “rescue” are often over-dramatized as to situation and vulnerability which appears to be directed to a whole subculture of do-gooders on Facebook, again, whose hearts are in the right places but who maybe could be having more of an impact directing their monies elsewhere.

#16

From what i have been told by people who were at the auction, and those that know all the behind the scenes:

There were people there bidding on the horses to bring them into private homes. The manager of the auction was on the phone with the rescue and they were bidding the horses up.

The horses were purchased from New Holland for $100 a piece.

The rescue last i heard was begging for the final $4000 in pledges to pay for the horses.

They also stated that if the horses couldn’t be adopted as whole, or at least in pairs (b/c everyone has room for that many horses…) they would stay at the rescue.

So…I’m not overly impressed.

#17

[QUOTE=Rivendellhorses;7998952]
From what i have been told by people who were at the auction, and those that know all the behind the scenes:

There were people there bidding on the horses to bring them into private homes. The manager of the auction was on the phone with the rescue and they were bidding the horses up.

The horses were purchased from New Holland for $100 a piece.

The rescue last i heard was begging for the final $4000 in pledges to pay for the horses.

They also stated that if the horses couldn’t be adopted as whole, or at least in pairs (b/c everyone has room for that many horses…) they would stay at the rescue.

So…I’m not overly impressed.[/QUOTE]

Annnnnnddd you’ll notice they were all white, therefore not killer bait anyway.

#18

Correct.

and in general, Arabs and Tbs have NEVER sold for more than $400 at this auction. Unless they were incredibly well broke/bred and the right person was there. (This is within the past 6 or 7 years. Previously they did go for higher …at least the Tbs…but arabs? never.)

#19

[QUOTE=Rivendellhorses;7998952]
From what i have been told by people who were at the auction, and those that know all the behind the scenes:

There were people there bidding on the horses to bring them into private homes. The manager of the auction was on the phone with the rescue and they were bidding the horses up.

The horses were purchased from New Holland for $100 a piece.

The rescue last i heard was begging for the final $4000 in pledges to pay for the horses.

They also stated that if the horses couldn’t be adopted as whole, or at least in pairs (b/c everyone has room for that many horses…) they would stay at the rescue.

So…I’m not overly impressed.[/QUOTE]

What I know about Arabs would fit in a thimble with space for the space shuttle… but doesn’t the rescue Pres also breed Arabs and these 6 are all mares?

Interesting that ARM bid against private non-KB buyers. There are plenty of horses out there to save, even if you want to be breed exclusive. Sheesh…

#20

There were private homes trying to bid. There was also another arab, who actually needed rescue (very under weight…) but it wasn’t spechul so no one looked at it. :no:
It has since been purchased.

From what i was told, the rescue said they could go out as broodmares…which makes such awesome sense…sigh:rolleyes:

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