Wasn’t the Arabs or the Saddlebreds I was thinking of; more like the dozens and DOZENS of mules, donks, and especially minis who run through CHW weekly.
Do they come from backyarders? WHY??? No one can POSSIBLY be making money on them.
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Looks like ARM is standing by their “any cheap crap hole QT will do” policy.
The “Circus” horses are tucked away in a PA “QT” facility in stalls that are small, with concrete floors and all nose to nose with the other 20 something horses at the property.
Locals are hearing that horses are very sick at the place. Wonder if the 6 will make it out.
There were issues with the transporter who said these horses are wild. Highly doubt a circus would use wild horses for at liberty performance.[/QUOTE]
ARM/T Figueroa has posted on the F’book page that the 6 are ill so … yeah.
Go figure.
So sad.
Yeah not halter broke, and therefore not a circus act… a broodie band most likely.
Lo and behold there are 2 Lippi crosses at Camelot this week… curious right?
There was some interesting reasoning on the FB page why the mares could still be liberty horses … apparently some are trained only to respond to trainers that speak another language (Russian was mentioned here) and the grooms are not allowed to handle them much. They aren’t “trained” the way we would expect, was the upshot. So who knows.
I said it before. Don’t believe a word that come from the people running the auction. They will tell you what you want to hear in order to sell the horse. At least with Frank you’d get a basic idea. These sellers? good luck.
And circus horses that can’t be handled by anyone but the trainer? yea…i call BS on that one.
Several circus people piped up and said not likely, as circus people respect their teams and wouldn’t dispose of them in this way…worth too much.
ETA a correction, I see ONE ‘lip cross’ in the pen this week, there was a F’book post claiming there were 2
Re language… when I worked at a TB breeding/training farm I had several Argentinian TBs on my aisle… yes they perked up when they heard Jesus Aronio talking in Spanish… but they also were handle-able by me, and English speaker.
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Re language… when I worked at a TB breeding/training farm I had several Argentinian TBs on my aisle… yes they perked up when they heard Jesus Aronio talking in Spanish… but they also were handle-able by me, and English speaker.[/QUOTE]
Yes. I’d be totally able to accept that the horse won’t do circus tricks unless ordered in its language of training.
But not to be handle-able at all? That’s clearly ridiculous, and rather desperate to peddle a “these horses will appear for all intents to not even be halter broke, until spoken to in Russion” excuse :rolleyes:
Interesting comment from ARM…
And I am thankful that at least one of the private bidders did not wind up with the one in “fight mode” as she may have gotten seriously hurt.
Do they mean the bidder could have been hurt by the horse?
Why would you assume a bidder is not horse savvy such that they are less capable of dealing with an untrained horse than ARMs QT?
Do they mean the horse could have been hurt? Again what is this assumption that buyers at this sale [not those buying from #10 pen, but people AT the sale on Wed night] are not knowledgeable enough to manage?
SMH
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Interesting comment from ARM…
And I am thankful that at least one of the private bidders did not wind up with the one in “fight mode” as she may have gotten seriously hurt.
Do they mean the bidder could have been hurt by the horse?
Why would you assume a bidder is not horse savvy such that they are less capable of dealing with an untrained horse than ARMs QT?
Do they mean the horse could have been hurt? Again what is this assumption that buyers at this sale [not those buying from #10 pen, but people AT the sale on Wed night] are not knowledgeable enough to manage?
SMH[/QUOTE]
Part of the problem with these breed specific “rescues”, IMO is the idea that only they can handle a horse or situation. The condescending or holier than thou attitude is a huge turnoff!
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Part of the problem with these breed specific “rescues”, IMO is the idea that only they can handle a horse or situation. The condescending or holier than thou attitude is a huge turnoff![/QUOTE]
Yes, that whole ‘they don’t know Arabs mentality’ thing.
How do you [ARM] know that? for one…
I know TBs, and they have a lot of Arab in them…
and honestly a good horseman observe the animal in front of them, doesn’t assume ‘this horse is this breed so needs to be handled this way’
headdesk
I also see that mindset in general horse rescue, frequently, the idea that ‘no one can care for them as well as we can’.
For one thing, different care doesn’t equal better or worse care.
For another thing, the speed at which they ‘adopted’ out those MS horses, and the low adoption fee they charged for them, honestly scares me.
Did they do any background checks or reference checks on those ‘adopters’?
From what I have read and the time frame in which they arrived at the place they were housed and then adopted out, it looks like they did not.
How do they know that those ‘adopters’ weren’t handing over their last $25 for that horse… and are capable of paying for any Vet/farrier/training that the horse might need? How do they know that they are horse savvy in regards to feeding them appropriately to get their weight up, and skilled in handling young/unhandled horses?
Bottom line, you can not insist in one breath that you and only you can care for them well enough [re the 6 auction arabs]… and then in the other, advocate hand them over with no or very little checks and for almost no money [the MS 65]. To me those horses are no safer than they were before ARM/SSHS got their hands on them and then adopted them out for less than it costs my family of 3 to get a meal at a drive thru.
‘Adopting’ them out for so little, to people you had no time to check up on is no different than the unknown entities at the Cranbury sale bidding on the horses in the ring… you know almost as much about either one… yet one is ‘bad’ and one is ‘good’? Simply because you deem it so?
It can’t be both good and bad for someone who you don’t know, who may/may not have the skills and money to properly care for the animals, to have them.
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Yes. I’d be totally able to accept that the horse won’t do circus tricks unless ordered in its language of training.
But not to be handle-able at all? That’s clearly ridiculous, and rather desperate to peddle a “these horses will appear for all intents to not even be halter broke, until spoken to in Russion” excuse :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Not that I ever believe anything that comes from ANY rescue, however…
My BO usually has a trick horse. He had a 17 h black ASB stallion he trained from a colt. The horse was whip broke - most of his cues were non-verbal. While theoretically anyone could handle him, no one wanted to. It was so easy to accidentally cue the horse to stand on his hind legs if you moved the whip in your hand wrong. It was hard to tell if the horse was misbehaving or you accidentally ‘told’ him to do something.
But wasn’t he fine to handle without the whip?
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But wasn’t he fine to handle without the whip?[/QUOTE]
Exactly.
Some stallions wear certain gear for trips on a trailer [wraps, head bumper, etc] and similar but distinctive gear for the breeding shed [also wraps, head bumper, etc]… they know the difference, and anyone could handle them when in the not breeding shed paraphernalia
Trick training is fine/dandy if it’s your thing, but all horses regardless of training need to also know how to lead, quietly and politely…
We’re going to leave this thread up with this reminder since we’ve had some posting of this kind lately and this thread has gotten a lot of eyeballs on it.
We don’t allow listings of horses for sale, regardless of whether or not the person posting is affiliated with the animal. That policy includes auction listings.
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