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Arabian Stallion Suggestions for a TB Mare

Sport Horse Breeding
#21

[QUOTE=rmh_rider;6864228]
I am familiar with arabs and their lines.

If you are going to do shipped, go with AM. They are a very top notch facility. Also sport horse proven stallions and breed lines.

I like Tristan also. But I would want to see what he has done.

Number one vote is Al-Marah.[/QUOTE]

Serious question…what will happen to the whole operation now that Mrs. T. unfortunately passed away? I haven’t seen any public announcements and wonder how long the horses will stay together.

Also, just a personal opinion, Al Marah horses strike as leaning more towards hunter type than dressage type. Which of their horses would you suggest for dressage? Don’t know what the OP is looking for but that could be a factor.

#22

I think this is a very valid question, depending on what the end result is that you are looking for. The Arabian horse varies considerably and if you are looking for sporthorse type, then there are experts out there who know what type produces what type.

#23

Sporthorse shop I totally get your point about importing semen especially when there are so many great stallions in USA. But its very interesting that the stallion I was referring to is a grandson of Ben Rabba!!! small world!! (he is called Marcus Aurelius btw!) Does seem that performance genes are often inherited in all breeds.

#24

Might want to consider this guy:

Empress (Monogramm/Probat)

In Canada, but shipping from Canada is not an issue.

#25

I know he’s grey, but did you see Showgun? Definitely a jumper! http://shnpayback.org/stallions/showgun_pgn.xml

Also, Al-Marah’s Good Oldboy is a lovely dark chestnut, and has won in working hunter. http://shnpayback.org/emails/2011-12-31.html

I’m not a breeder, but did a lot of research on bloodlines before buying my gelding from Al-Marah a few years go. I have a Power Raid son (yes, he’s grey), and am thrilled with him. PM me if you want some jumping photos :slight_smile:

#26

oldernewbie - Power Raid was shown through 4th, I believe Quebec went through PSG, and Chance Command (Power Raid son) is showing at 3rd?

When I looked at youngsters there, I thought the Quebec babies were the most “dressagey” in movement. I went with a Power Raid son for the wonderful personality.

For dressage, Patience Prine-Carr has some great results - check out her stallions at http://www.glynnsongfarms.com/stallion.html. She has one that’s approved Oldenburg!

#27

[QUOTE=Formosus;6864399]
Might want to consider this guy:

Empress (Monogramm/Probat)

In Canada, but shipping from Canada is not an issue.[/QUOTE]

This horse’s neck is really not good. I don’t think he suits the OP’s requirement for that reason alone.

As far as the Al Marah horses, there are a couple of nice ones but you’re going to probably lose some size IMO.

I would be looking at Showkayce, Sundance Kid V or one of their sons to get the kind of qualities you’re looking for.

#28

To clarify, I am looking primarily for hunter/jumper and then Arabian showing. Not so much, the hunter under saddle horses that I saw last week in Scottsdale. To me those looked like Park horses that didn’t quite have the action. I unfortunately did not get to see any of the sporthorse classes. But, from the videos I have seen, I would like to compete in the sporthorse classes as those seem to be more what I like. I would also want to be competitive in the A hunter/jumper shows. Obviously I would not be getting a conformation hunter. But, if the horse could be somewhat competitive in amateur hunter classes or just skip over to jumpers that would be great. My mare has a good jump, so she provides a base to work from.

I am in Tucson and should just go see the Al Marah horses in person before ruling them out. I worry about their small size. It was part of the reason I passed them over back in 1999 when I bred my half-arab mare.

#29

[QUOTE=GreyDes;6864421]
oldernewbie - Power Raid was shown through 4th, I believe Quebec went through PSG, and Chance Command (Power Raid son) is showing at 3rd?

When I looked at youngsters there, I thought the Quebec babies were the most “dressagey” in movement. I went with a Power Raid son for the wonderful personality.[/QUOTE]

Most likely that’s the Rissalix coming through in Quebec. Rissalix is a good source of expressive movement. I’ve incorporated several sources of Rissalix (including via several Al-Marah sources) in my herd.

#30

When you go to Al Marah, look at Bremervale Andronicus. Chestnut. Very Athletic.

How big is your TB mare?

Remember that with the Arab x TB cross you usually get that hybrid vigor which means increase in size.

Just because an Arabian is tall does not mean it is any good. Very often the tall is due to LONG cannon bones and upright shoulders. And high water hocks.

#31

And just because someone advertises an Arabian stallion to be 15 3 doesn’t mean it is any taller than those that ARE 14 3.

If the AM horses are advertised to be a certain height chances are they ARE that height.

#32

And just because a horse sired a horse that has one in hand at a Sport Horse show does not necessarily mean it is suited for the sporting disciplines.

Pick a stallion that has demonstrated the goods.

#33

The physical farm property is going to the University of Arizona to remain a “working ranch”. My understanding is that a significant group of the remaining horses are going to Bazy’s son, Mark Miller, who will continue to breed them. There is an AM satellite breeding program at MSU that may also be continuing, but I don’t have current information regarding that.

#34

[QUOTE=Sporthorse Shop;6864472]

I am in Tucson and should just go see the Al Marah horses in person before ruling them out. I worry about their small size. It was part of the reason I passed them over back in 1999 when I bred my half-arab mare.[/QUOTE]

If you are in Tuscon, it can’t hurt to look!

BTW, just for fun, here’s an old article about an Al-Marah mare circa 1970 that did well as a hunter in open shows during her short show career AM Countess Mae

#35

My mare is 15.3hh. This is her pedigree, I am not sure what kind of height runs in her lines:
http://www.pedigreequery.com/satilla+slew

#36

Just to clarify my whole issue with height, I bred my 14.3hh half-arab (who was an extremely successful mare in open shows MI ‘A’ champion in Child/AA jumpers and Arabian shows Region 13 champion and qualified for the nationals) to a 15.3hh Arabian and I was shooting for at least 15hh. He was a confirmed 15.3 and threw size as well as stamped himself. I ended up with exactly what I wanted out of the cross in a 14.1hh pony package. The size came from the mare’s sire line which were all short Arabians. At 5’7" I look funny riding her.

#37

If you like Ben Rabba and the Van Gilder horses, you are looking at West Coast CMK breeding. See also: http://cmkarabians.com/newalbion and http://www.warrenparkstud.com/

http://www.arieana.com/wald0422.html – these are historic horses for the most part, but should give you an idea of the kind of look you can get from various groups.

#38

For me Ba Vyagra has that canter shwew and love the confo on him and looser way of going.

Tristtan and him for sure!

#39

[QUOTE=Sporthorse Shop;6862699]
I have always liked Anglos and since I am in AZ I have access to top shows. It would be nice to have a horse I can compete in the ‘A’ hunter/jumper shows and in the Arabian shows. I have a nice TB mare that I love her conformation, height, movement and personality. If I can get her in an Anglo package I will be happy. She is a classic hunter TB build, extremely athletic and a big mover. The Arabian stallion I absolutely love ‘Shah Azim’ is deceased. I would have loved an Anglo by him. I have started a new search for a sporthorse Arabian stallion. I checked old threads, but there were few mentions of stallions. Does anyone have suggestions?[/QUOTE]

I have 3 stallions in mind off the top of my head with showing on the open circuit in mind. All three of these boys have crossed very well with TB’s & WB’s.
WL Intruder+// http://www.tammymcdonaldtraining.com/public/stallions.pl

*Oration
http://www.tranquillityhorsefarm.com/Oration.html

Mirage V++++// http://www.miragev.com/

#40

And in the end, if you want a specific type of horse, specific size, specific sport you might be money ahead by buying what you want.

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