Attire Questions

Hi all!
I am a newer convert to the hunting world and am loving it. I am a stickler for proper attire and would love some advice- I have read through some threads and cannot really find what I am looking for.
Canary Vests- do you have to have your colors to wear or can anyone wear them? Cubbing or Formal Season?
Houndstooth Vests- Same as above, are they worn with cubbing jackets or formal jackets?
Cubbing jackets- best place to find?
Helmet- does it have to be velvet or would one of the CO AYR8’s be okay?
What color gloves are appropriate?

I would appreciate some feedback from those who know more than me.

Thank you!

[QUOTE=vteventer;6004046]
Hi all!
I am a newer convert to the hunting world and am loving it. I am a stickler for proper attire and would love some advice- I have read through some threads and cannot really find what I am looking for.

Canary Vests- do you have to have your colors to wear or can anyone wear them? Cubbing or Formal Season?
No need to have your colors. Canary vests are proper for all hunters under both formal and informa/cubbing attire.

Houndstooth Vests- Same as above, are they worn with cubbing jackets or formal jackets?
Strictly for informal/cubbing meets.

Cubbing jackets- best place to find?
Ebay.co.uk

Helmet- does it have to be velvet or would one of the CO AYR8’s be okay?
Velvet is most proper. The CO you mention is widely seen and considered by most to be acceptable. If yours is sueded black and is your closest approximation without having to spend more, by all means wear it.

What color gloves are appropriate?
All brown leather, or brown leather with white string backs.

I would appreciate some feedback from those who know more than me.

Thank you![/QUOTE]

Hope that helps.

welcome to the dark side

Canary vests are proper when hunting in formal attire. At our hunt, you do not need to have colors to wear one. The lovely plaid vests look smart under your hacking jacket. Horse Country in Warrenton VA has many lovely ones. I’m an addict. Ask me how many lovely stock ties I have???

A velvet helmet is most proper. Some hunts won’t mind a “non conforming” helmet, some will. A black velvet cover might be necessary. A safe helmet, in my mind, is essential, again, a great many hunts now encourage it. Some hunts are absolute sticklers for everything, some are a bit more relaxed. Especially in cubbing season.

Gloves should be brown leather or string in wet weather.

A look at Horse Country’s catalog will help you, but almost all hunts in the US have a “attire” section on their websites.

You did not ask, but to be correct, black dress boots are proper for formal season. Actually, black dress boots are proper for the show ring as well, but it seems to have been forgotten. Field boots, black or brown are proper for cubbing and informal days.

Tack should be well fitted and spotless. So should your horse.

None of the above needs to be flashy or expensive. Much can be purchased used, since it doesn’t go out of style.

Manners are, besides a suitable horse, the most important thing.

If you remember, Good Morning, Good Night, and Thank you, you’ll be good.

I’m a fellow newcomer to the hunt world, and I’ve found most of my attire on eBay with lots of careful watching.
If you’re looking there for a cubbing jacket, the keyword “hacking” will net you more results. Ot “foxhunting”, and narrowing your results to equestrian.
You’ve already gotten vrey good advice on proper turnout. Your best bet is to inquire with the master or secretary of the hunt with whom you will go out. Each hunt is different, and you’ll want to do and wear what’s accepted there.
Good luck!

Agree with Hinderella on “hacking jacket”. There are incredible deals on them on the UK Ebay.

Or, you can go to VA for a hunting weekend at Hunter’s Rest as so many of us have done…no need to wait for a big, organized weekend. Just pick a weekend & go. Then, after hunting, head over to Middleburg Tack Exchnage, a great consignment shop for foxhunters.
Of course, if you go, let me know. After all, CT is on the way from VT to VA.

Please don’t wear black gloves. Just please don’t.

Please consider buying a black velveeten helmet cover if your helmet has that skunk stripe or bling or other stuff on it. Those helmets with the silver medallion look like you have a third eye on your head and they glare.

And folks… String gloves are not the same thing as crochet backed gloves. The gloves with leather on the palm and the crochet backing are informal/warm weather gloves.

String gloves are white, no leather, formal/wet weather riding. They really do keep your hands from slipping on wet reins.

It’s just something that bugs me when I see it so I needed to get that off my chest. :slight_smile:

[QUOTE=JSwan;6005202]
String gloves are not the same thing as crochet backed gloves. The gloves with leather on the palm and the crochet backing are informal/warm weather gloves.

String gloves are white, no leather, formal/wet weather riding. They really do keep your hands from slipping on wet reins.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the correction. Learn something new.

I second that!

All the advice you’ve received looks good to me!! The helmets should be solid black velvet imho. The “skunk” helmets are sooooo show ringey and not foxhuntery. Behind your back some foxhunters will snigger at you with a CO…:yes:…sorry but thats the truth!
If you wanna look like a foxhunter; dress like one!! Simple! All our equestrian disciplines have a uniform and when you can - wear it. If you can’t then do your best to come close. No hunt will kick you out for wearing a skunk on yer head but you’ll stand out…do you want to? If you’re just trying hunting then wear it until you’'re sure you wanna keep doing it then fork out the moola later. Thats how we all get there!
BTW…I wear black gloves!! :winkgrin::winkgrin::D:lol:

[QUOTE=mildot;6005460]
Thanks for the correction. Learn something new.[/QUOTE]

You’re welcome. It’s a very easy thing to get mixed up as crochet thread is technically a string and it looks, well, stringy. :lol:

The helmet covers are about 6$, I think. Again, it’s not a big deal but when you’re about to pay a hefty sum for great timeless hunting photos of you and your horse, and the people all around you have these third eyes capturing the glare of the flash…

I’m glad to see folks wearing the ASTM helmets, don’t get me wrong.

Happy hunting!!

While it might not be technically correct, I see a lot of folks, including well known members of this forum and the master of my hunt this weekend, wearing the crochet back gloves with the leather palms. Works for me…

Question about string gloves: they seem like they provide zero insulation in cold rain as they seem to be made of 100% cotton: http://www.horsecountrycarrot.com/index.cfm?action=store&sub=product&prod=125&cat=54

Proper or not, I would not wear those gloves from the link on a rainy day. A long time ago I learned the hard way that cotton + water + cold = misery and pain.

A pair of gore-tex lined leather gloves would look appropriate and be actually useful.

Just because people are wearing them, including Masters, does not invalidate what I wrote.

And on a really warm day (the kind we’ve been having in Virginia this season - yuck) wearing a lighter glove can make sense. So may not wearing a vest, choosing a lighter weight coat, or even excusing coats, wearing rain jackets, etc.

Sometimes you make adjustments.

But that does not magically transform informal riding gloves into the correct gloves for a formal turnout. And that is what the person was asking about - what types of items to purchase/save up for, for various turnouts.

If someone was to advise her to show up with a mishmash of items glommed together, they’d be doing her a disservice, possibly putting her to more expense than in necessary, probably giving her bad advice, and potentially causing her some embarrassment as well.

Learn the rules first. Then if one needs to bend or break them on occasion, it’s done knowingly and not out of ignorance.

mildot - no one is required to purchase or wear string gloves. I’ve not worn mine in really cold weather - but I have worn them on cool rainy days and I’m not cold at all. And I am a BIG wimp about cold. I figured I’d be wearing them today but hunting just got canceled. Sigh…

Formal turnout is string gloves - traditionally they were kept under the billets, just in case of bad weather. (sidesaddlerider or Beverly can tell you exactly how they are to be kept - I can never remember as I don’t compete in appointments classes). It’s not to keep you warm - it’s to keep your grip on the reins when they and the gloves are wet. Leather on leather is slippery -string on leather isn’t.

The crochet backed gloves aren’t exactly warm. I’ve seen people wearing them on absolutely frigid days because they think they are the same thing as string gloves and they are making an attempt at formal turnout (think high holy day) But they are miserable and there is no need to be. A nice pair of lined tan gloves would be just as nice -and more comfortable. I’m just trying to explain the difference between the two types of gloves - and when they are supposed to be worn.

The Wadsworth booklet is a must have for every foxhunter - just to learn the difference between different types of turnout, the proper names of things, the correct commands for hounds, staff and the field. It’s part of our education. Just like any other horse sport - every sport has rules. So does foxhunting.

Deviating from the traditions or rules can make sense - but doing it out of ignorance makes no sense at all.

My good friend, a former MFH of our hunt who I have the utmost respect for…

About had a fit when I informed her that I was the only rider in ratcatcher on a Tuesday before opening day. To say that the dress code had “relaxed” was an understatement. It was not hot and polo shirts were everywhere.

If it’s really cold and rainy, your hands will be cold once your gloves get wet no matter what you’re wearing. I’m going with string because it works the best.

Actually, those string gloves are pretty darn warm. They are very tightly woven.

I also know of several people (MFHs and staff) who have these gloves in white, and then put the white string gloves over them in cold weather (30s and below) or on very wet days for an added layer.

Amen, sister!

[QUOTE=SidesaddleRider;6005812]
Actually, those string gloves are pretty darn warm. They are very tightly woven. [/QUOTE]

Even when wet? I’ve done a lot of backcountry skiing in the wet Western Washington snow as well as a lot of waterfowling and learned long ago how worthless (and even dangerous) cotton becomes when wet no matter how tightly the fabric is woven or knit.

But not ever having worn the gloves in question, I reserve the right to be wrong about them. :slight_smile:

PS, I am not trying to be a jerk about this. It’s just that based on what I know of outdoor fabrics, I’m having a hard time wrapping my head around this particular bit of kit knowing that hunting turnout is above all else practical.

Well, I have no scientific basis for my opinion, so I will just say that on the days that I have been out hunting in the cold rain, my hands have been warmer with wet string gloves on than wet leather gloves.

THANK YOU!

Thank you for all of your advice, I really appreciate it! I have read and re-read through all of the “rules” to fox hunting and yes, I want to look the part. I am a pretty experienced rider and have competed up to CCI*- my riding and my horses are the least of my issues! I take pride in my horse’s turnout (as well as my own).
I am one of the younger members and would like a. to invest in the correct attire now & b. make sure I come across as respectful to the hunt and tradition.

Good point about the dress boots- I actually am in the market for new tall boots and have thought about making the jump to dress vs field.

As for the CO helmet- do not be horrified but I have been hunting in my skull cap with black cover ( I know I know- BAD!) and am in the market for a new helmet. I LOVE the AYR8 and was thinking of getting a black/black one, it is suede of some sort, for my eventing purposes…