Aussie Cattle Dogs/Blue Heelers?

So, now we’re down to one dog on the farm (from 4 only 18 months ago), and she’s getting a bit prissy, so we think it’s time she had company again.

She’s a middle-aged mid-sized spayed female, purebred mutt, generally fine with other dogs - loved her buddies, but with strangers, not overly friendly, but not too rude, either. She was at the bottom of the pecking order with the gang of 4, and a lot of her play habits, etc, I can tell she learned from the others. We’ve had her since she came from the pound at approx 1yo, and she had 0 personality, oddly.

We have no kids, but kids do visit, and we also have plenty of cats, and quite a few horses.

So - we’ve been watching the local pounds to find something to keep her company. Male or female, doesn’t matter. Age doesn’t matter (preferably not a puppy). Prefer not hounds or other hunting types, huskies, or anything too aggressive. No teenyweenies, but any other size is fine.

The pounds all seem to be full of hound/hound x’s, huskies, or teenyweenies. :slight_smile:

We went and “met” a great dog at one pound, an XL lab/Great Dane x, young-ish male, and oddly, he scared the snot out of our resident dog when introduced. He did nothing, was very polite, but she wouldn’t ease up, even after half an hour of us lazing around in the grass with him and the staff member there, so sadly he’s probably not a good match. Too bad, as he’s an AWESOME dog.

We met another dog yesterday, larger mid-sized female, 3yo, seemed very pleasant and personable, so we’ll arrange another introduction shortly.

Then I saw another dog listed, an “Australian Cattle Dog,” young, female. Sounds nice, just waiting to hear back how she is with cats, her history, etc.

Her listing: http://www.ottawahumane.ca/adoption/petharbor_dogs.cfm

In the meantime, can anyone give me feedback on living with Australian Cattle Dogs? Are they in fact aka Blue Heelers? She’s kind of a strawberry roan, so red, not blue.

I’d like to know how they are generally with cats, or other critters that run, such as the horses :rolleyes: When things go bad, what happens? As in, if things go bad with our current only dog, it means she ate all the cat food and burps a bit :winkgrin: She’s not great with kids, so she chooses to hide under the bed if any are visiting. I don’t expect any dog to be perfect, and every household is different, and there will always be teething problems!

I did search the forum, and there are lots of good stories, so they sound awesome, but perhaps a bit too much energy for us - not sure about that.

  • On a separate point, I was noticing how so many coth’ers have wonderful stories about dogs that might be ghastly in different situations, but here on COTH there seems to be a lot of people who love their potentially tricky dogs deeply, and handle them extremely well, so there are very few insurmountable issues. Big thumbs up on that one!

Australian Cattle Dogs = Red Heelers, Blue Heelers (I bet you can guess the difference :wink: )

Heelers (or ACDs) are great farm dogs. They are highly intelligent, and many people refer to them having instincts more closely associated to wolves than to your standard domestic dog. While, as like any other dog, personalities and temperaments vary between dog and dog, they are generally outgoing, hardworking, mischievous, and prefer to have a job.

If you don’t want her chasing cats, other animals, etc. you need to train her from the get-go, but even then she will have a prey drive. It looks like the one you’re interested in is 9 months old which is a pretty good age to teach her the “rules of the farm.”

I don’t have a Heeler myself, but my uncle had two when he had a beef cattle ranch in Montana, and there is a woman that brings her Heeler to the farm to herd.

An ACD will make your life a living hell. :smiley: That said, I LOVE them. Have four - 3 females, 1 male. Mine have a lot (and I mean a LOT) of obedience training. They are smart and train easily but some have a “what’s in it for me” attitude. Clicker training works great with them. They need mental stimulation as well as physical. A bored cattle dog will invent things to do and you probably won’t like what they come up with.

I have cats, horses, goats, and poultry. They don’t (well, rarely) chase my cats but the neighbor’s are fair game (they don’t hurt them). No problems with poultry but I spent time training them. One chases horses but has gotten better and now only nips at them occasionally. One needs to “help” when I deal with horses or goats and wants to move them along. Not good when opening gates!

They are not the dog for everyone. Do you know of any near you that you can visit before adopting?

We aquired a red acd because he was about to go to the pound. Cooper was probably 5 or 6 months old at the time, and light gold and white. The vet said he was acd mix.
When we moved to our present location, Cooper was amazing. Although there is livestock (and fencing) on three sides, he did not attempt to escape to chase the sheep or cattle. We DID no training on him, well, very little, and he comes when called, will sit, lie down, etc. He keeps our other 9 dogs in line.
He DOES nip at the horses heels, but they ignore him. I just call him to come to me. That is his only minus. He wants to be with us all of the time, as in follow me everywhere.
He can be nutso outside-run run run. Inside, he sleeps on the couch.
I brought him to work a couple of months ago and he was perfect. Didn’t leave my side at all.
I would have never considered an acd, but 7/10 of our dogs are “side of the road” or pound dogs. They are all worth their weight in gold. When our JRT was alive, if she got snippy, Cooper would pick her up by the scruff of her neck and carry her off-I guess to her time out place. :lol::lol::lol:

We aquired a red acd because he was about to go to the pound. Cooper was probably 5 or 6 months old at the time, and light gold and white. The vet said he was acd mix.
When we moved to our present location, Cooper was amazing. Although there is livestock (and fencing) on three sides, he did not attempt to escape to chase the sheep or cattle. We DID no training on him, well, very little, and he comes when called, will sit, lie down, etc. He keeps our other 9 dogs in line.
He DOES nip at the horses heels, but they ignore him. I just call him to come to me. That is his only minus. He wants to be with us all of the time, as in follow me everywhere.
He can be nutso outside-run run run. Inside, he sleeps on the couch.
I brought him to work a couple of months ago and he was perfect. Didn’t leave my side at all.
I would have never considered an acd, but 7/10 of our dogs are “side of the road” or pound dogs. They are all worth their weight in gold. When our JRT was alive, if she got snippy, Cooper would pick her up by the scruff of her neck and carry her off-I guess to her time out place. :lol::lol::lol:

We adopted a 2-3 year old male in January. Sadly, he did not show up when they were handing out intelligence :slight_smile: But he is very sweet and wants to be good, and is pretty durable.

He’s pretty good with the kid and cats and only chased a chicken once. I convinced him that was a VERY bad idea. We still have some trouble with nipping at the horses, so he gets locked up if we can’t watch him closely.

They are velcro dogs. They pick a person and latch on. Socialize them a lot so they don’t get completely clingy or defensive. Insist that you be obeyed. He is stubborn and sometimes does not feel he needs to listen to you.

Arthur was, as best as we can tell, locked in a pen or backyard and never taught anything. He did not know “come”, “Sit”, “No,” “Bad dog,” “Good boy”. He did not know how to play with toys. His outlet was to bark. And try to bully the other dogs. The hound out-bullied him. He border collie has taught him that running and tennis balls are better ways to burn energy.

We adopted a 2-3 year old male in January. Sadly, he did not show up when they were handing out intelligence :slight_smile: But he is very sweet and wants to be good, and is pretty durable.

He’s pretty good with the kid and cats and only chased a chicken once. I convinced him that was a VERY bad idea. We still have some trouble with nipping at the horses, so he gets locked up if we can’t watch him closely.

They are velcro dogs. They pick a person and latch on. Socialize them a lot so they don’t get completely clingy or defensive. Insist that you be obeyed. He is stubborn and sometimes does not feel he needs to listen to you.

Arthur was, as best as we can tell, locked in a pen or backyard and never taught anything. He did not know “come”, “Sit”, “No,” “Bad dog,” “Good boy”. He did not know how to play with toys. His outlet was to bark. And try to bully the other dogs. The hound out-bullied him. The border collie has taught him that running and tennis balls are better ways to burn energy.

We adopted a 2-3 year old male in January. Sadly, he did not show up when they were handing out intelligence :slight_smile: But he is very sweet and wants to be good, and is pretty durable.

He’s pretty good with the kid and cats and only chased a chicken once. I convinced him that was a VERY bad idea. We still have some trouble with nipping at the horses, so he gets locked up if we can’t watch him closely.

They are velcro dogs. They pick a person and latch on. Socialize them a lot so they don’t get completely clingy or defensive. Insist that you be obeyed. He is stubborn and sometimes does not feel he needs to listen to you.

Arthur was, as best as we can tell, locked in a pen or backyard and never taught anything. He did not know “come”, “Sit”, “No,” “Bad dog,” “Good boy”. He did not know how to play with toys. His outlet was to bark. And try to bully the other dogs. The hound out-bullied him. The border collie has taught him that running and tennis balls are better ways to burn energy.

I have an ACD mix - I think the rest is GSD, but he is mostly ACD.

Sweet as can be, though I think he was the low man on the litter totem pole because he can be somewhat timid - everything is a threat until he’s had time to assess it. New people, noises, things out of place - all must be carefully appraised from a safe distance.

Whoever said they have a “what’s in it for me” attitude, oh, that is SO right! For example, recall is consistent BUT he’s a little lazy and thinks about it for a moment or two first - “am I likely to get something out of this that’s worth getting up for? What are the chances that, if I stay put on my nice comfy bed, that they will come to ME instead?” And he has very definite ideas about How Things Should Be.

Quirky dog, but we wouldn’t trade him for ANYTHING.

I’m sure there are lots of people that own an love them, but after being the neighbour of an insane one, I would never go for one. (That being said, no breed should be judged on one dog alone).

I’m quite sure my husband’s family dog (who is a mutt) is an ACDX as she’s got the ears and temperament to go with them.

I find them aggressive to people who aren’t their family, very loud, high energy, difficult to train!! very stubborn and independent.

But that is just my experience.

Have to agree, we are sort of not really looking for a 3rd dog (probably not till next year) but the pounds around here don’t have a lot of “selection” :lol: Probably a good thing!!

LAWS has the CUTEST pair of malmutX; not appropriate for our family because again very independent, can be hard to train, high prey drive… (not good around the chickens/cats!!)

They also have lots of very nice older dogs :yes:. It seems like there are a few private rescues in the city, most of them are listed on pet finder.

GL in your search!!

We found our second collie off Kijiji from a family that stupidly had her right in the middle of the city (down by the Bayshore in those postage stamp back-yard homes); oddly she was too high energy for them… :rolleyes:

I have a 9 year old blue ACD. Meg is a great dog, good with our cat and I’m certain I could call her off any others that she might chase. She’s friendly and courteous and has a pretty high level of training.

All that said, she’s a lot of dog in a 35# package. If I didn’t train her, I could easily see her becoming barrier aggressive or predatory.

As with any breed, each dog is an individual but as a rule ACD’s are intelligent, courageous and physically tough dogs. There seems to be a bit of dog aggression mixed in there sometimes as well, so make sure your resident dog gets along with the ACD if you decide to take her.

Think they’re super cool, but the few that I’ve known (both males) were pretty tough customers. One did obedience (and he was good, but I know his owner worked very hard with him - and he was pretty protective of her) and the other was a farm dog who was an incorrigible car chaser. Sad ending to that story the day he made it out to the main road.

Don’t think I’ve ever known a female ACD, so maybe the girls aren’t as tough as the boys - in your situation, though, I’d be looking for a boy, as I think mixed sex pairs are MUCH easier to deal with.

Looked on the site you posted, OP, and oh - that Roger dog! (I’m a sucker for a hairy black dog, and he has a lovely expression!)

Yes, we’re watching LAWS and Kijiji too! Can’t stand how many people are unloading dogs there because DUH they became too undesirable; too big, or bouncy, or friendly, or active, or old, or - I suspect - ill.

I dunno whether it’s that certain breeds/types of dogs attract certain types of people, and then those are the people that are irresponsible about spay/neutering, or whether those types of dogs are just quicker out of the door when they’re feeling horny, but it’s certainly interesting talking to pound/sanctuary staff about what types they have to deal with: people or dogs :wink:

Rather not deal with the private rescue groups because the questions they ask become more of an invasion of our privacy than we’re comfortable with: what’s with that, anyway?!

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Think they’re super cool, but the few that I’ve known (both males) were pretty tough customers. One did obedience (and he was good, but I know his owner worked very hard with him - and he was pretty protective of her) and the other was a farm dog who was an incorrigible car chaser. Sad ending to that story the day he made it out to the main road.

Don’t think I’ve ever known a female ACD, so maybe the girls aren’t as tough as the boys - in your situation, though, I’d be looking for a boy, as I think mixed sex pairs are MUCH easier to deal with.

Looked on the site you posted, OP, and oh - that Roger dog! (I’m a sucker for a hairy black dog, and he has a lovely expression!)[/QUOTE]

Roger is beautiful, isn’t he, but they reckoned he’d be too timid for life on a fairly rambunctious farm.

Did you see Bruno? He’s the XL Lab/GD x we liked. LOTS.

I’ve always felt that Heelers and Border Collies were best suited for the ranch and not as “just a pet” in someone’s home. Exceptions to every rule of course but just my opinion, based on experience.

If you get a heeler, make SURE s/he has a JOB. They go crazy from boredom.

But of course now that the AKC made them a show dog, things might have changed. I know there are show dogs without a lick of herding drive (in comparison to the ranch dogs i know).

And call me a stick in the mud, but i refuse to call them anything but what they are: Queensland Blue or Red Heelers. :slight_smile: GREAT dog if you’re moving cattle. Generally tough on sheep. Not very good in an apartment.

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Yes, we’re watching LAWS and Kijiji too! Can’t stand how many people are unloading dogs there because DUH they became too undesirable; too big, or bouncy, or friendly, or active, or old, or - I suspect - ill.[/QUOTE]

It is AMAZING how many people’s children develop allergies to the animal they’ve had for 10 years… :rolleyes:

I have a list of them on FB, there was one last week threatening to put down their 10 y/o dog if someone didn’t take it (that dog is better off in the ground IMHO). Uh someone wanted to “rent out” their naughty dog for the summer while they traveled… that was a good one!

When we’re ready for a dog, I was thinking I should just email all the rescues with “country home, kids to play with, dog owners all our life, already have 2, etc.” and see what they want to send ME :lol:.

The kitties on Kijiji just make we want to weep! If I didn’t have a husband & kids I would DEFINITELY be a crazy cat lady and give them all the loving home they deserve! (We have 3 - that is enough for us!)

Do it, do it, do it! My roommate and I have a cattle dog apiece (well not entirely true, mine’s a deafblind cattle dog/aussie shep) and her father works closely with the Cattle Dog Rescue here in SC and has 5 or 6 now. Tovin is my 2nd and Rugby is her 2nd but we’ve fostered many…can’t say enough about the breed! SMART, stubborn, pushy, not a first dog for everyone but I love them dearly. All fetch whores and water addicts, but ALL of ours are great with cats. Not ALL of them can be great with other dogs but thankfully ours are. I fully support you getting in touch with the rescue around you and adding one to your life XD

Although, looking into shelters that have adoption counselors and sending them info abotu your family and yourself is a GREAT idea. We much preferred this at the shelter I worked at because we have the ‘right’ family in mind for every dog and you may be a perfect fit for a pet you hadn’t even considered! Best of luck bringing a new member into the home…its a lovely time :slight_smile:

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It is AMAZING how many people’s children develop allergies to the animal they’ve had for 10 years… :rolleyes:

I have a list of them on FB, there was one last week threatening to put down their 10 y/o dog if someone didn’t take it (that dog is better off in the ground IMHO). Uh someone wanted to “rent out” their naughty dog for the summer while they traveled… that was a good one!

When we’re ready for a dog, I was thinking I should just email all the rescues with “country home, kids to play with, dog owners all our life, already have 2, etc.” and see what they want to send ME :lol:.

The kitties on Kijiji just make we want to weep! If I didn’t have a husband & kids I would DEFINITELY be a crazy cat lady and give them all the loving home they deserve! (We have 3 - that is enough for us!)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nes;5758716]It is AMAZING how many people’s children develop allergies to the animal they’ve had for 10 years… :rolleyes:

I have a list of them on FB, there was one last week threatening to put down their 10 y/o dog if someone didn’t take it (that dog is better off in the ground IMHO). Uh someone wanted to “rent out” their naughty dog for the summer while they traveled… that was a good one!

When we’re ready for a dog, I was thinking I should just email all the rescues with “country home, kids to play with, dog owners all our life, already have 2, etc.” and see what they want to send ME :lol:.

The kitties on Kijiji just make we want to weep! If I didn’t have a husband & kids I would DEFINITELY be a crazy cat lady and give them all the loving home they deserve! (We have 3 - that is enough for us!)[/QUOTE]

Yup: sickening. Thanks to you I’m now trawling Kijiji over my tea - and by trawling I mean plumbing the depths - just came across a 14yo dog looking for a home. Nearly as bad are the sanctimonious breeders selling the designer x-breeds for over $1k, and all the unreg bulldog breeders asking $2k+.

Three cats??? Pffft - amateur :wink: Arnprior Humane Society had over 150 gorgeous cats looking for homes as of yesterday…

Back to my OP, given the insightful feedback on Heelers, I think we’ll go check that one out, but I suspect she may be more of a handful than would fit in with us at the moment: thanks, all!

Ohh no no no no COTHers, I am a dilligent Craigslist stalker…my roommate and I sit down over our dinner EVERY night and browse it and mock those selling their “Bulladorkipoo’s” with docked tails for 500 bucks or outrageous ‘rehoming fees’ for ancient fat declawed cats…do not tell me about this Kijiji and give me another site to browse every day!

I have an 8 y.o. red heeler/corgi (we think) mix. I LOVE him. He is not a farm dog, he lives in a suburban neighborhood, never leaves the yard, is never naughty, rarely barks and doesn’t chase our chickens or cat. When he was young (I got him from a rescue that got him from a Memphis pound) he was truly a herder, nipped at our ankles, grabbed out shoelaces etc. brought him to the barn one day when he saw one of the horses cantering and went to put him in his place. He got soundly kicked between the eyes. He was fine, which is the benefit I suppose of having a head like a concrete block… He no longer goes to the barn.

He does not always come when he is called, but he is never very far away so this is a problem we have created by not trying to fix it. He doesn’t run in the other direction, but you can be calling for him because you don’t know where he is, he will be in clear earshot, (for example i am on the deck calling for him and he is laying down behind the coffee table right behind me but I can’t see him) and he won’t come. I think he figures he is where he is supposed to be and so he’s not worried about responding. He begs something awful, but again, we have created this problem because we almost never reprimand him because he is such a good boy.

The one complaint I have is he is terrible with children. We know nothing about his history so I don’t know if he had a problem in the past but I never let kids get too close. Its hard because he’s very cute and kid sized so they all want to pet him…

All in all, I think i will never own another breed. …