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Well, my lesson yesterday on Hammie wasn’t quite as glorious. He was very quiet and calm, so I didn’t even lunge him. He hacked beautifully. But the jumping followed a sort of bell curve.

We trotted a few jumps nicely. Then he woke up, so our cantering over jumps was a tad exciting. Then he spied a new pinto next door (Could it be the long-lost Lovely Spot?) and actually cranked his head around to the side to stare at it over the top of a jump! Then he got in trouble for galloping off after an oxer. So next I had 4 or 5 lovely trips… “our peak”. Next I got pissy horse, who sucked back behind the bit on the long approach to the oxer. And finally, the, “I’m tired and bored, so I’ll just slop over the panel like a wet towel.” Ah, the joys of Hammie.

My trainer says, “You know, his whole problem is his attitude.”

No, REALLY?!?!

“Friends don’t let friends eat fish tacos.”

On one hand, I hesitate to ask this question because inevitably it tends to open up a can of worms. However, from what I have seen on this board, there are many many knowledgeable people and I would like to garner opinions.

I am currently “starting” two, two year olds. Actually, they are 30 and 31 months old. I have always been of the mindset you do the ground work now and do the backing itself when they have hit their 3rd birthday. Contrary to that though are many opinions saying “no harm is done by climbing aboard now.”

I have them both working well in the round pen at a walk and trot. They have been saddled and bridled, crosstied etc.

They are both TB/Han and I am genuinely interested in your opinions.

Hi, my name is Brenda and I have a green 5yo OTT TB. I need help. (Literally and figuratively I’m certain!)

Murphy has grown AGAIN!! The boy went from being able to do lead changes and actually looking fairly pretty going around… to klutz-o boy! His little mind whirls…“Dear heavens where ARE my back feet and what are they doing!” He’s also started with occasional giraffe imitations,head up, legs failing, complete with groaning. For you greenie gurus out there, how much of this is caused by the fact he’s 17H at the withers and 17.1 at his hip, we measured him this weekend? And how long will it take before it goes away? Or could some of this be combined with a saddle-fit issue? With his growth and changes in back muscle, I’ve noticed the saddle doesn’t rest as well along its back panels as it once did (it can be lifted away from his back when girthed up). Ok, here comes my whine! wahhhhhhhh, I want my coordinated pony back!

Also, I must say, I sure enjoy reading about everyone’s greenie exploits! What a neat community of folks!

May I be a member of the Baby Greenie Support Group of North America?

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Merry:
“My name is Merry. And I have a Baby Greenie.”

If you had a magic wand, what would you wish for as you waved it over your baby hunter or jumper?

For mine, I’d wish that he didn’t lose his focus at the most inopportune times. Ugh! Like when I’m doing really well in my eq. flat class, we reverse at the walk, and gee, suddenly he notices the pony on the hillside. Or hunger pangs strike and he reaches for the rosemary bush right in front of the judge’s booth…

What would you change with a wave of your magic wand?

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LOL my babygreen horse is perfect. I did one show in babygreen, another in childrens jumper, and i did the modified class at my trainers schooling show. Like the modified class was super much lower than a real show, but they had a few 4’ jumps and he just loped over them, LOL.


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Hello all…much fun reading about the greenie antics the last few days… Wish I knew the kind of winds you all are talking about, up here in the Northeast we just get snow and loads of it, confining us to Indoor arenas that are especially scary in their own right! Monsters lurking in every shadowy corner, of course.

Good news here, the friend/trainer has been working with my filly and progress is being made. She thinks she’s lovely and has had lots of nice things to say about her…and she’s planning to climb aboard within the next week or two. I’ve done all the ground work already, so she’s pretty solid in that area. My friend has been sharpening it up as well as letting the filly get used to her and vice versa, but she thinks she’s ready for a rider on her back.

In the meantime I’m having fun just playing with her-- going for walks, hand grazing her, grooming lots, etc. I don’t feel so pressured to “accomplish” something everytime I handle her, and it has helped both her and I relax considerably. Horses can be unbelievable reflections of ourselves-- as soon as I chilled out, so did my mare.

Also been riding a friend’s Morgan gelding a bit, he’s the bravest horse I’ve ever sat on and has loads of “go” to him but he’s also kind and careful. A fun ride for the likes of me who is stil trying to get back my courage!

Hoping to get some pics scanned soon of my mare…

One of the trainers at our barn says the neatest thing to one of the kids with a green pony when they encounter a “greenie issue”.

Kick her hard to get her past the (insert name of any big scary thing), once you get her past it “pet her like she’s perfect”.

It cracks me up but it works with mine too.

First, Pam I’ll jingle my curb chain here in TX for you too.

Bumpkin, I agree with what the others have said, don’t feel guilty. You have all the time in the world with Mr. Elliot. Enjoy the holidays and your family and get back to it when your feeling better!

I have my first GOOD lesson at the new barn with Murphy Saturday! We w/t/c without looking giraffe-like, and had such a pretty canter that several others mentioned it too me later! If this continues, we’ll get to start some cross-rails next week. Yes!! Finally! After finishing near tears the night before, wondering if I had any business riding a greenie, that maybe I was just ruining him…I guess I’m doing ok, that good ride came just in time to save me from some major self doubt, and a huge pity-party.

Now, if it would just warm-up a tich, I could keep on track this week. Unfortunately, when the weather is below 38 (then add the wind-chill), this girl does NOT want to be out riding (I suspect Murphy doesn’t care to be out either.)

Oh swell. So this is how my lovely young beast is feeling the night before I ship out to a weekend show.

Today I reread parts of my Steinkraus book “Reflections on Riding and Jumping” on dealing with horses with difficult temperaments. He says to envision creating this little island of compliance. Well, I got voted off Hammie’s island! He was doing fine until I wanted to finish with two lead changes. He kicked out at my leg before he did them. Gem Twist he ain’t, so he got in trouble. I finally got two lovely ones, but man, is he “outspoken” or what? Nothing like a horse that telegraphs everything to the judge!

And yes, Beezer looked very cute on the Barbie Cow.

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Sorry, but that whole flipping-down-the-bell-boot story has a Homer Simpson “D’OH!” moment written all over it! Kinda reminds me of the time I got cracked in the eyebrow and had to go get a couple of stitches because I was trying the ol’ racetrack method of cleaning out both front feet from the left side. Not such a good idea on a baby warmblood.

Oh, and thanks, Midge. Although in my vanity I’d actually rather be thought of as “tall, thin and ATTRACTIVE.” I’m only “effective” about every other Wednesday.

And see, Bumpkin, we were all there with you in spirit!

“Friends don’t let friends eat fish tacos.”

Oh Pam, you give me hope and inspiration. My corners on Hammie are fine… as long as I can keep him straight when he first lands out of a line. I keep myself in check by recalling how, exactly one year ago, he was barely cantering single fences and wouldn’t pat the ground and wait to the base unless he was on the right lead. Now, that’s all behind us. When does the general obnoxiousness subside?

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Thanks so much for the good wishes! Am keeping my fingers crossed for the poor Tig-Man; God knows what he’s done THIS time. I had him out in a pen yesterday, going over him inch-by-inch, and as I’m bending down looking at the NEW, good-sized splint on the same hind leg as his old hock fracture – which is NOT the leg I think he’s lame on – I about come up under his stomach with a “WHAT THE HECK IS THAT??” as I see all this NEW swelling in the other hind ankle (the leg my butt says he’s off on). SIGH.

I so swear that that has NOT been there until just now. He has been funny about my picking out that hoof and putting on his hind boot, but I just ignored it as a “baby thing.” The swelling is mainly on the back of his leg, running from about mid-cannon to his ankle, and he really doesn’t want me to touch it. He still isn’t horribly, obviously lame, but I know he is not traveling right.

Visions of a pulled suspensory (been there, done that as a weanling screwing around – but that was a front leg) or another fracture dance through my head. Anyway, we’ll know tomorrow.

Now, as for Sam…

He is this BIG, black (with just the tiniest of stars) tank. He’s probably about 16.2 and has the build of a … tank. He will never win a beauty contest (he has a rather prominent nosebone, alas) but he has just the biggest, kindest eye and seems so very sweet. He really wants a Mom … and as my very British mum-in-law said, hopefully he’s smart enough to know that his “butt has landed in the butter” on that score.

We did our first El Ranchito ride yesterday. He was so very, very good … not even QHSM trimming her roses by the ring rail (envision huge shears lopping off overgrown bushes with the resulting detritus being flung every which way) and Grumpy Old Dad using a shovel to pound down the clipped-off branches into a trash can (at one point sending a trash can flying) caused him to do more than come to a slow, head-up halt to take it all in. Beezer was thinking to herself, this one may be a keeper.

He is, however, a truck to ride. Which is fine, because weirdly enough, I LIKE those kind of horses; they’re probably the kind I ride best. (Conversely, Merry HATES that kind of horse … two more opposites than Sam and Ham cannot be found!) And what little he knows is the WRONG little … so we’re going back to the very basics, though he does, thankfully, know to move off your leg. In one session, though, I saw/felt improvement in his sitting and posting trot. But canter … well, let’s just say I felt a little like I was riding Bucephalus and for some reason the theme from “Ivanhoe” kept running through my head. I think we need to work on that.

I see trees of green, red roses too. I watch 'em bloom for me and for you. And I think to myself … what a wonderful world. Yes, what a wonderful world." – Louie Armstrong.

The only problem I’ve encountered so far with my age and riding a baby greenie is that when he drops me like a bad habit I now have the tendency to land with a SPLAT… and don’t bounce back as fast as I used too. I also turn black and blue in places that I shouldn’t turn black and blue because that’s not where I landed.
But I guess that’s all ok now because I’m grown up and pay my own health insurance.

Duffy, I think I know the only foal out of Fleet Nancy! I have heard lots of stories about that mare and how great she was with her owner. The “foal” is now about 22 years old and well taken care of by a woman who has owned her since she was about 3, named Betty Atkins. Just thought it was cool that you knew that mare! p.s. I’m a trainer of many babies and I love this thread!

Mikey was so good in his lesson that I got to the show just as the 2’ warm up was starting. The jumps looked like speed bumps, so I elected to wait for the 2’6" height.

Warm up class went well because we went slow so he could look and added strides so as not to scare him (we got 2nd out of 12 horses). Then I decided to step it up a notch and get the strides (he has a huge stride and can do the lines easily). Well, he just ran through my hand, ran through any decent spot, jumped over his shoulder, fell over the damn jumps and, in general, embarassed the hell out of me. The judge is a A show trainer and I was basically the only A show rider there. He would have let me win if I had given him 1/2 a chance. As it was, I got a 6th (out of 7) and a nothing (well, I DID go off course…) .

What do you do with a horse like this? I am tempted to set the jumps up high enough to MAKE the jump back him off. Mikey is no grand prix horse, but he has a solid 3’6" jump in him down the road.

Anyone else thing that a gymnastic with a nice 3’ square oxer from tight distance to teach him a little respect is a good thing? Anyone else want to come sit on him the first time through it?

PS We did win the hack at least, so I was able to give him a horse cookie at the end of the day. We beat an appy, a Welch pony and 3 of indeterminate origin.

[This message was edited by Lord Helpus on Oct. 14, 2001 at 02:00 PM.]

Uh Oh!

Erin’s on the hunt, we may get zapped people

<<Ummm…you haven’t met Jade, yet, have you…

Fortunately her mutinous behaviour rarely lasts for more than one day, and is usually attributable to an action that was totally offensive (i.e. not letting her complete her
meal prior to riding, her not being the first one fed, her not being the first one ridden, her having a shaving in her otherwise perfectly coifed 'do… uh…you get the picture.) >>

Chef…

No, I haven’t met Jade, but I’ve followed her story here on the board! Have to say the above behavior sounds quite a bit like my chestnut mare as well! Quite the princess I must say, my first mare after a streak of geldings. She thinks the world just revolves around her!

well, one thing among many, actually, but it will do for a start.

When does a horse stop being green? At what stage of development do you figure that he/she knows enough to no longer be regarded as a beginner? After one successful year of showing? After two? After everything stops looking new to them? After the “surprise factor” mostly dies down?

Obviously there are horses that seem somewhat green their whole lives. Tess snickers rudely in the background. At what stage of accomplishment would you stop calling your horse a greenie?

Inquiring minds want to know.

OMG*** Lord Helpus, I can’t believe you said that. I was just backing up from looking at SM, muttering about how she looked like Mill Pearl. Deja Vu…doo doo doo do. She is a nice BIG filly. Love her stride! That is so exciting, what great news.

So, to saddle or not to saddle?? Ya know, when these lovely little darlings decide that it’s not what they want, used to plop an old exercise saddle on them. Seemed to be okay. Found they accepted that better than our regular saddles…

That is not a Hamosabi picture, that’s a beautiful baby warmblood picture. The two of you look great together.

And now, let’s all join hands, and bow our heads in a moment of silence as we recall all of these past embarrassments, those glorious moments when we sighed to ourselves, “Well, that just cost me $25.”

Yes, we’ve cleared warm-up arenas. We’ve uttered curse words that’ve made our mothers blush. We’ve apologized to our trainers, who seem to act like they don’t want to be seen with us. We chase them down with whiney voices saying, “I don’t know why he’s acting like this. He’s really good at home!”

And yes, we’ve been on course and felt our eyes drifting downward as those front hooves hit the ground. What is that prayer we utter under our breath? “Oh please God, make him land on the correct lead…” Ah, this is the life of the members of the Baby Greenie Support Group. We are women. We are amateurs. We ride our babies. We are mildly insane…

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