Nope… that’s why in the absence of a substantial argument or contribution some people choose to mock me for all my unpopular opinions on coth. Like turnout is good, overbreeding horses is bad, don’t be racist, and horse supplement companies can predatory. The real hot button issues apparently. It’s very flattering.
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That’s what I thought.
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YOU are inclined this way. EQK merely bleats on and on that there is only one way and if that way can’t be 100% fully embraced to her satisfaction then, the person seeking help should get rid of the horse.
It gets old. People get sick of the bleating, hence there is much more arguing than there would be if the bleating and uncompromising attitude, nasty delivery, and dis-inclination to listen were toned down and helpful, constructive, problem solving (within the OP’s abilities), the understanding that not all situations for all animals are “perfect” but that many “subpar” situations are actually quite adequate were ramped up.
TBH, this poster comes across as one of those that would turn all dairy cattle loose immediately to fend for themselves and would then wonder why most died quite horrible deaths in a very brief period of time.
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Um, right, so back to my horse who is on stall rest for a kick to the leg, and the one who came in last summer to recover from a busted leg, and the one a couple years ago who also had a fracture.
They should ALL be dead.
Except, mine will recover, the youngster recovered and has started his career, the other has also recovered and resumed his career. All are happy, well-adjusted individuals who love their life, their owners, and are adored by their owners.
Yet, if they were yours, they’d be dead rather than stall rest them for a few months.
That is not at all my point and you know that. You’re just trying, and failing, to make a weak argument. It’s the reductio ad absurdum fallacy.
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Nope. What is ridiculous is that you state something quite clearly and then deny you ever said such a thing when it’s right there.
When confronted with your own words, you deny ever writing them. It’s actually quite funny.
Mmm, week argument ek? One that goes on forever?
You know, the unwashed masses are correct, you often have good points to make, but your delivery just puts peoples backs up and makes them defensive. Seen it over and over again, hope your communication with horses is better than the way you interact with people.
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Then perhaps you’re having trouble understanding. Allow me to clarify. If my horse got kicked in the leg causing a severe, inoperable injury that my vet said she would never recover from I would euthanize.
If my horse got kicked in the leg and and had a severe injury requiring months of stall rest and rehab, I would do it in a heartbeat.
I’m not sure why this is confusing but can we please stop talking about horses getting kicked in the leg? We’re going to jinx somebody!
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Yup, automatic reset to a new topic, but like your exercise tracker!
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It’s always the people who don’t speak up that like criticize the ones that do.
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Equine husbandry operates on a continuum. Carried to its extreme on the “turn out” end, we should not ever throw a leg over them, just sit in a duck blind with binoculars and watch from afar.
Compromises are made, and many horses deal with them well. Others, not so much.
Few people nowadays keep a horse in a straight stall, which was the norm for a substantial period in our relationship with the horse.
Would it be “better”, in general, for horses to have unlimited turnout in company? Sure. Does it constitute cruelty to keep a horse in a situation that offers less than that? Depends on other factors.
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A. Confusing because you only stated that if your horse got kicked in the leg, you would euth. Don’t expect people to read your unwritten thoughts.
B. Too late. Many of us have already dealt with this, many will deal with it in the future, some of us are dealing with it right now. Fact - horses in pasture get kicked in the leg. Also fact - responsible people decide how best to deal with recovery (or not) in advance. Most of us have prepared our horses well for an eventual lengthy recovery stint. Some of us haven’t and need to shut others down because inside we are afraid of how a long recovery would go since we have not prepared our horses for that eventuality.
C. See above - jinxing has nothing to do with horses and injuries.
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I just want to point out that the issue we are talking about here, is zero turnout.
I get that 24/7 turnout isn’t an option and isn’t ideal for every horse and that’s ok. But OP in this situation does zero turnout. That’s where the criticism on my end is coming from. Let’s be clear.
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Not everything needs an input, it’s kind of nice getting older, you don’t feel the need to pile on everything. I can reserve that for special occasions, and bless your heart you are all kinds of special…
Guess what, not every animal is kept in perfect conditions, but maybe, just maybe those who love their animals and do their best by them might just give them a great life.
No, not every horse can live outside, some love their stalls, I have owned both, was lucky enough to be able to accommodate their needs. Thing is if a person is trying their best, don’t see much reason to beat them over the head.
See, you often do have good points, but then just totally turn people off with the delivery, so your point is lost.
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IME horses can “see through” duck blinds, dense stands of trees, etc. 
I fear we’d have to be in some sort of Star Trek cloaking device to truly hide ourselves. LoL
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I am not trying to convince anyone and I even said that I know OP is a completely lost cause. Maybe in my first few replies but it’s very clear she didn’t really want advice from anyone.
My point was about why zero turnout is so normalized when it shouldn’t be. And that’s what’s leading to all the criticism… 
@lenapesadie said it best. Horses can’t organize peaceful protests and we need to have these hard discussions.
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When did a half hour become zero? I am not familiar with this new math. There I go showing my age again.
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Really, I don’t see her not wanting advice from anyone, shrugs, people usually give advice and move on, advice is just that. Sometimes advice is offered that makes you go “WOW”
Sometimes it makes you roll your eyes.
Trouble is without writing a 6 page essay on every symptom, including many stills and videos, the OP on any thread can’t give every detail, and it does get wearing when people assume, make 100% judgements on an ailment, or get shirty when they get knocked back.
It’s also damn frustrating when someone takes over your thread to blow their own trumpet or their own pet peeve, and can’t just STFU and leave the op to get different ideas and suggestions.
Now I actually agree that 24 hour no turn out sucks, but I also wouldn’t suggest people sell their horses, or refrain from buying because they do not have access to that luxury. I do believe a horse needs time to socialize, to move, to live like a horse, and if that can’t be offered, then we have to do the best to keep them healthy and sound in mind and body by good management.
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I disagree. My horses basic needs aren’t a luxury. They’re basic needs.
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