Barisone Aftermath: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity, And Then

[Seeker1]

I transcribed the tapes myself.

[Seeker1]

You are an irrational person who will only believe what you want to believe… I accept that and pray for you.

[Seeker1]

Kirby Kanarek signing off. MSG me if you want to talk. Please bravely use your real name.

[eggbutt]

@Seeker1

We LOVE the police work in this incident. The police were busy saving my daughter’s life which was THE priority. One of the officers used something to help stop the bleeding. Since she almost bled out, this action in and of itself may have saved her life. If they spent more time collecting everything you all think they should, she would be dead now. She coded and was revived at least once and maybe twice.

When she got to the hospital, they had to give her so much blood that her internal organs started to swell which is when they had to cut her open from stem to stern so she could continue to breath and function.

Therefore, none of you should be speculating as to what the police “should” have been doing or how Lauren’s family should feel about them.

Still trying to push that ridiculous narrative we see. If I were her mother I would be having a fit the police department failed primary police investigative processes to be sure “someone” was held accountable. Zero forensics and impeached prosecution star witnesses cost the state this verdict. Get over it.

Why aren’t you chastising your lovely daughter still threatening others on public chat rooms? Your constant deflection and enabling of this woman is irresponsible at least.

And, why do so many of the Kanareks, by any name, care what is said on this forum? Maybe IM can explain to you why so many of us were right about the criminal trial and they were flat wrong. Bombshell? Uh-huh.

Kirby, you will get little sympathy here.

[CanteringCarrot]

Me: dies from overdose of irony

[Rhythm_Pace_Impulsion]

“Unfortunately there are many highly sadistic people out there who DELIGHT in the misfortunes of victims in a crime especially if they perceived they have been slighted by said victim. It makes me sad that some people can only experience pleasure by hurting others.”
^^ The above sure sounds like LK & RGs actions towards MB

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@MHM

Right? Why would anyone want to appeal when they came out ahead??

It would be like the winner at a horse show saying, “I think the judge made a mistake. I should have been last in that class.”

I think the question was whether he could appeal to try to get straight NG instead of NGRI. He can’t.

To use your horse show analogy,
Blue = not guilty
Red = NGRI
Gold = guilty

He had to say before the trial whether he was going for blue or for red. He choose to go for red and got it. He cannot now appeal and try to get blue.

Your thinking is defective as MB got a straight NOT GUILTY in regards to RGs related charge.

Now I get to watch you attempt to explain THAT.

It’s not difficult to explain. My post applies to the NGRI verdict he received for the two counts related to LK. On the two counts related to RG, he plead NGRI and received NG.

Four classes and he received two reds and two blues.

Don’t you understand that it blows your statement to smithereens? You stated quite clearly that because MB pled insanity he could not get a straight NG and clearly you were wrong.

He pled 2 things - insanity and self defense.

So once again you’ve been found to be wrong. And don’t you go changing your post either.

No, by pleading NGRI, the original jury could give him NG, NGRI, or G.

I said that having plead NGRI, he could not at this point appeal and try to get NG on the two charges for which the verdict was NGRI.

[DQHubby]

Have read it. Have you read the charging instructions to the jury and/or the New Jersey Court Directive #21-20 Criminal - Procedures for Defendants Found Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity
(NGRI) and other Commitments Resulting from Criminal Proceedings? Post 216.

Barisone did do the commission of a guilty act, actus reus, but was also found to be insane at the time of the actus reus, thus no menus rea. If his jury believed he didn’t do the commission of a guilty act, he would have been found not guilty.

IMHO, I agree with the jury’s verdict. I hope he gets the mental health help and tools to prevent any further breaks with reality.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

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@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@MHM

Right? Why would anyone want to appeal when they came out ahead??

It would be like the winner at a horse show saying, “I think the judge made a mistake. I should have been last in that class.”

I think the question was whether he could appeal to try to get straight NG instead of NGRI. He can’t.

To use your horse show analogy,
Blue = not guilty
Red = NGRI
Gold = guilty

He had to say before the trial whether he was going for blue or for red. He choose to go for red and got it. He cannot now appeal and try to get blue.

Your thinking is defective as MB got a straight NOT GUILTY in regards to RGs related charge.

Now I get to watch you attempt to explain THAT.

It’s not difficult to explain. My post applies to the NGRI verdict he received for the two counts related to LK. On the two counts related to RG, he plead NGRI and received NG.

Four classes and he received two reds and two blues.

Don’t you understand that it blows your statement to smithereens? You stated quite clearly that because MB pled insanity he could not get a straight NG and clearly you were wrong.

He pled 2 things - insanity and self defense.

So once again you’ve been found to be wrong. And don’t you go changing your post either.

No, by pleading NGRI, the original jury could give him NG, NGRI, or G.

I said that having plead NGRI, he could not at this point appeal and try to get NG on the two charges for which the verdict was NGRI.

Nice try.

Your statement was wrong.

[Knights_Mom]

@DQHubby

Have read it. Have you read the charging instructions to the jury and/or the New Jersey Court Directive #21-20 Criminal - Procedures for Defendants Found Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity
(NGRI) and other Commitments Resulting from Criminal Proceedings? Post 216.

Barisone did do the commission of a guilty act, actus reus, but was also found to be insane at the time of the actus reus, thus no menus rea. If his jury believed he didn’t do the commission of a guilty act, he would have been found not guilty.

IMHO, I agree with the jury’s verdict. I hope he gets the mental health help and tools to prevent any further breaks with reality.

He WAS found Not Guilty. NGI is not guilty due there not being the elements needed to define it as a crime.

[rothmpp]

You do realize that this discussion had absolutely nothing to do directly with your child?

This discussion, especially lately, has revolved around the semantics of the the verdict and what this means for MB. It tangentially has to do with whether the case was proved by the state due to questionable crime scene work. Which of course you love because the crappy crime scene work allowed for your child and her boyfriend?/fiancee?/whatever he is this week to be the sole story tellers as it was nearly impossible to create a narrative at all based on the police work at the scene.

Crime scene evidence collection takes hours, well after primary victims have been transported. But it does not excuse the initial officers ignoring some very basic police procedures, regardless of the status of the shooting victim. You may be grateful for these issues, as proper crime scene work very well may have shown that this wasn’t the cold blooded attempted murder that you still insist that it was.

Can’t stand to have your child not be the center of every discussion?

[DQHubby]

NGRI is not NG. Why is he still in custody? Why is he not a free man?

[Seeker1]

He was mad long before my daughter came along. This was mentioned numerous times during the trial. Dont you think that having your wife and your girlfriend living at the same barn could drive someone totally nuts. Think again.

[LookinForSpace]

@Seeker1

If you taped someone plotting your murder you might get a little nasty.

@Seeker1

I transcribed the tapes myself.

Would you be willing to post that transcription here? I’m curious if it’s been misinterpreted by either side.

[Knights_Mom]

@Seeker1

He was mad long before my daughter came along. This was mentioned numerous times during the trial. Dont you think that having your wife and your girlfriend living at the same barn could drive someone totally nuts. Think again.

Clearly you were unable to comprehend the nuances of the trial and testimony. I do not however feel the need to educate someone who is clearly biased by family loyalty. You only see what you wish to see.

[trubandloki]

@Seeker1

We LOVE the police work in this incident. The police were busy saving my daughter’s life which was THE priority. One of the officers used something to help stop the bleeding. Since she almost bled out, this action in and of itself may have saved her life. If they spent more time collecting everything you all think they should, she would be dead now. She coded and was revived at least once and maybe twice.

When she got to the hospital, they had to give her so much blood that her internal organs started to swell which is when they had to cut her open from stem to stern so she could continue to breath and function.

Therefore, none of you should be speculating as to what the police “should” have been doing or how Lauren’s family should feel about them.

You do realize that the police could have gathered evidence after your daughter was taken care of by the medics, right?

@Seeker1

I have a little different perspective than most of you who were not involved . After all, you did not see your child in a coma, near death, split open with her vital organs exposed. How could I possibly expect you to see things my way. Neither do I take pleasure in relentlessly bashing a family in distress. If I knew someone who experienced this situation, I would try, as a human being, to demonstrate some empathy instead of doubling up on beating beating and beating. Talk about WHO DOES THAT?

I am sorry you had to see your daughter like that.
Maybe you should talk to her about her willingness to ruin another person to the point where they snap? That talk might save her from ever going thru something similar in the future.

@Seeker1

Unfortunately there are many highly sadistic people out there who DELIGHT in the misfortunes of victims in a crime especially if they perceived they have been slighted by said victim. It makes me sad that some people can only experience pleasure by hurting others. Relentlessly beating a person who was shot and almost died speaks much more loudly about the the beaters than the beatees. I will pray for the best outcome for all of us, including those of you who cannot help but enjoy cruel and heinous bashing of people already deeply hurt. I have accepted that demonstrating kindness, empathy, understanding, love may not be in your wheelhouse in this situation. I pray for all of you, Michael, my daughter, MHG, Justin, Ruth and all involved get the help they need to be the best version of themselves they can be. I for one will try to find happiness in helping others rather than bashing. I recognize and accept that cannot make anyone follow this path, but I do highly recommend it again. Good luck to everyone.

I am starting to think that Seeker’s only point is to write things about her daughter and pretend she is telling us it is us.

@Seeker1

If you taped someone plotting your murder you might get a little nasty.

If this existed why is it that it did not some how get used during the trial?

@Seeker1

I don’t have to convince anyone of anything. I know who I am. I also don’t have to bash others to feel good about myself.

Have you had this discussion with your daughter? Maybe suggest that way of life for her?

@Seeker1

I transcribed the tapes myself.

@Seeker1

You are an irrational person who will only believe what you want to believe… I accept that and pray for you.

@Seeker1

Kirby Kanarek signing off. MSG me if you want to talk. Please bravely use your real name.

@Seeker1

He was mad long before my daughter came along. This was mentioned numerous times during the trial. Dont you think that having your wife and your girlfriend living at the same barn could drive someone totally nuts. Think again.

[eggbutt]

@Seeker1

Unfortunately there are many highly sadistic people out there who DELIGHT in the misfortunes of victims in a crime especially if they perceived they have been slighted by said victim. It makes me sad that some people can only experience pleasure by hurting others. Relentlessly beating a person who was shot and almost died speaks much more loudly about the the beaters than the beatees. I will pray for the best outcome for all of us, including those of you who cannot help but enjoy cruel and heinous bashing of people already deeply hurt. I have accepted that demonstrating kindness, empathy, understanding, love may not be in your wheelhouse in this situation. I pray for all of you, Michael, my daughter, MHG, Justin, Ruth and all involved get the help they need to be the best version of themselves they can be. I for one will try to find happiness in helping others rather than bashing. I recognize and accept that cannot make anyone follow this path, but I do highly recommend it again. Good luck to everyone.

THIS IS THE MOST HYPOCRITICAL POST I’VE EVER READ! Kirby, it is YOUR angelic daughter still bashing people online. How about you practice what you preach with Lauren? Did you enjoy that lovely photo your daughter posted of her and her sister giving the finger and laughing on one of the holiest days of the Christian calendar? Just stop Kirby. You know as well as I do the civil trials are going to pull the scab off the public image you so cherish. Take care of your own family and don’t concern yourself with complete strangers.

[eggbutt]

@Seeker1

If you taped someone plotting your murder you might get a little nasty.

FINISH THE BASTARD. Chastise your husband, daughter and her sidekick about their plans to ruin a man so Lauren could have some fun! Why is she banned from your home if she is such a lovely person?

[Angela_Freda]

@Seeker1

If you taped someone plotting your murder you might get a little nasty.

And yet no tape was presented at the trial.
Again, weird.
Its like the claims made are borne out by facts.

[Knights_Mom]

@Seeker1

He was mad long before my daughter came along. This was mentioned numerous times during the trial. Dont you think that having your wife and your girlfriend living at the same barn could drive someone totally nuts. Think again.

Riddle me this