Barisone assessment

[erinmeri]

@CurrentlyHorseless

But you tend to put words in my mouth …. in this case “you simply must know you’re stretching here”. No. No, I don’t. That’s my opinion.

While I agree that we tend to be kind to one another, I STRONGLY disagree here. I have never put words in your mouth.

[OntheFnce]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@erinmeri

@Seeker1

Here is my partial transcription.

MHG It Took a lot of money to run the business.

Chris Schelhorn “At times would he indicate to you or tell you that he was having issues in terms of cash flow?”

MHG “Yes”

…I guess between 40 and 50K a month…

Okay, so your daughter allegedly paid $5,000 for the full board and training of 5 horses as well as the apartment. I ride in an adjacent county, in a far less fancy barn. The board and training alone would cost me about $12,000 per month. How is paying roughly 41.67% (or less, I don’t ride with a BNT) of market value on board and training alone (Never mind rent on the apartment!) help with cash flow issues?

Thank you for performing the basic arithmetic on this issue. It has puzzled me as well for quite awhile that certain posters are arguing that keeping on a client who is paying below market rates was a “cash flow solution” for MB, and thus why he hadn’t yet formally served LK with a notice of eviction by mid summer.

Quick follow up question… does anyone know for sure if Hawthorne Hill was “full” during summer of 2019? Also, if LK had taken her horses and self selected, and left as of July 31st, how many stalls would that have freed up for other people willing to pay the going rate of $2500 per month for full board at a facility like MB’s? At least 3? Maybe 4? It’s unclear if Symphony and Jay-T were in full board.

But let’s say 4 stalls would have been freed up. And that demand for a spot in a top tier barn was such, that MB could quickly fill them…

Gosh… $2500 x 4 = $10,000 per month

LK was paying $5000 per month

$10,000 > $5,000

Therefore, the theoretical cash flow problems should actually have served as an incentive for MB to want LK and all of the horses associated with her gone from his facility… if you think about it. In order to make way for legitimate clients who could afford to pay the full rate for their horses.

In Long Valley and the surrounding area including Frenchtown (to the south), full training board with an Olympian in 2019, would be, at a minimum, $3,500.00. That does NOT include an apartment, farrier, meds for horses, etc. Nor would it include private lessons…typically, group lessons. Privates would be with an assistant. LK got a steal of a deal, if that was what was actually agreed upon.
ETA: per horse.

[erinmeri]

@OntheFnce

In Long Valley and the surrounding area including Frenchtown (to the south), full training board with an Olympian in 2019, would be, at a minimum, $3,500.00. That does NOT include an apartment, farrier, meds for horses, etc. Nor would it include private lessons…typically, group lessons. Privates would be with an assistant. LK got a steal of a deal, if that was what was actually agreed upon.
ETA: per horse.

Whitehouse, closer to the City (where I live), and I agree.

[Seeker1]

He solicited her and they made the arrangements in florida.

[eggbutt]

@ekat

Well, LK is seeking compensation for loss of income in her civil suit. Presumably, she’ll have to prove she had income to lose.

I assume she would be asked to present 5 years of 1099’s, W-2’s, tax returns, whatever would prove she lost income. Certainly Barisone could produce his business records and total loss of income since August 2019 and potential future losses if he can’t build his business back up.

[BatCoach]

My complaint is that you were saying that **other **posters were writing some “nasty posts” (your words - not mine) about seahorse. I found the thread - Updated barisone lawsuit 10/29/21 post 851 post 2860. People THANKED her for offering her perspective, and asked a few polite questions which she answered. One poster did indeed look up her USDF record, and another poster corrected that initial poster by adding some correct info found via google. Not a single one of those posts were “Nasty.”

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@OntheFnce

In Long Valley and the surrounding area including Frenchtown (to the south), full training board with an Olympian in 2019, would be, at a minimum, $3,500.00. That does NOT include an apartment, farrier, meds for horses, etc. Nor would it include private lessons…typically, group lessons. Privates would be with an assistant. LK got a steal of a deal, if that was what was actually agreed upon.
ETA: per horse.

Thanks for sharing this. I like dealing with actual numbers.

$3500 x 4 = $14,000 (not inclusive of farrier, private lessons, living accommodations for people, etc)

Another question… in the summer of 2019 in Long Valley, NJ, if 3-4 stalls opened up at a facility like MBs, how long would it typically take to fill them?

[Seeker1]

How could u know my type when you have never even met me?

[ekat]

@eggbutt

I assume she would be asked to present 5 years of 1099’s, W-2’s, tax returns, whatever would prove she lost income. Certainly Barisone could produce his business records and total loss of income since August 2019 and potential future losses if he can’t build his business back up.

Yeah, that part is pretty formulaic. You have to prove income at the moment of loss, and then they look back for a period of time based on industry, etc. Then if you’re claiming continued loss of future earnings for some period, based on medical records, they project out based on your past. So that number is usually never just random.

[eggbutt]

Apparently “nasty” is in the eye of the beholder unless they themselves are being nasty
Heck, even posts offering a positive light are considered nasty to this group!!

[Angela_Freda]

@Seeker1

He solicited her and they made the arrangements in florida.

They?

[eggbutt]

Oh, of course. You actively look for negative. That’s on you.

[Seeker1]

She and michael

[erinmeri]

@Seeker1

He solicited her and they made the arrangements in florida.

Please just stop pushing your narrative that your daughter was a good business proposition. It is tired.

[Angela_Freda]

@Seeker1

She and michael

So dad, writer of the checks, wasn’t involved in negotiating any of it?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@erinmeri

@CurrentlyHorseless

But you tend to put words in my mouth …. in this case “you simply must know you’re stretching here”. No. No, I don’t. That’s my opinion.

While I agree that we tend to be kind to one another, I STRONGLY disagree here. I have never put words in your mouth.

Still trying to be respectful here.

You questioned me, “Are you saying that [two lawyers perjured themselves and the judge and prosecutor stood by]?

I said nothing if the kind. Did not mention the word “perjury”. It was in the form of a clarifying question, but the nature of the question suggested I had accused someone of perjury.

As I understand it, to be perjury, an untrue statement given under oath must also be determined to be material to the issue at hand. I don’t know whether JK participated in the negotiations or not. I can’t really see how it’s material to whether MB shot LK or to MBs state of mind.

I appreciate your fully quoting the passage you were reacting to, so that I could clarify easily.

[Angela_Freda]

I imagine, as with much of that we’ve discussed, “solicited” is subjective.

[erinmeri]

I am as guilty as anyone of responding to certain someones. But what happens if we all stop? Let’s just all click on ignore and see what happens… maybe they will all move on? I am getting tired of seeing certain posters behave like bots and I am disappointed in myself for replying. Challenge to self and others!

[Warmblood1]

I’m wondering if people reach out to Law and Crime expressing interest in seeing the civil trial, if it would encourage L&C to reach out to judge to record it?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@eggbutt

Oh, of course. You actively look for negative. That’s on you.

Do you imagine you’re fooling anyone, even your legions of friends, when you claim that your purpose was to refute any suggest of illicit employment of the human trafficking kind?

Your protestation of innocence just doesn’t fly.