Barisone assessment

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

My interpretation of Seekers post is that, in her opinion, MHG was jealous of the attention MB was giving to LK. That’s quite different from LK being jealous of the attention MB was giving MHG.

MHG was legitimately on track to be in the running for the Olympics and was the assistant trainer and MBs fiancée. Of course MHG is going to get lots and lots of his attention. Do you imagine LK or Seeker do not understand this?

What evidence is there that LK did not understand this or resented it?

As a paying client, even at the favorable rate that was agreed to, LK was entitled to receive the training she was paying for. If MB had changed his mind about wanting or tolerating her as a client, or if he wanted to do as MHG requested and get LK out, he could have unilaterally ended the client relationship at any time, giving 30 days notice.

Why didn’t he?

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[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@McGurk

@Seeker1,

I think you need some perspective on this situation other than your daughter’s, because your statements represent a very skewed reality.

Lauren was not competing with MHG for Michael’s attention. That’s a product of Lauren’s disordered thinking. MHG is a successful professional rider and trainer at the International level.

She was an asset to the business at HH because she taught and trained.

Lauren is a lower level amateur, then working on her Bronze medal, who was not fully committed to improving.

They were not in competition with each other except in Lauren’s mind.

Also, Lauren was not “a paying boarder of 4 horses” and “doing work on the house.” That was thoroughly debunked by the trial testimony. Barisone was likely losing money every day the horses were there.

There was no competition. Not as riders, not in personal relationships.

ETA: In the USDF database, Lauren has 95 recorded rides. MHG has 433. Literally, four times the show experience, not factoring the difference in levels.

My interpretation of Seekers post is that, in her opinion, MHG was jealous of the attention MB was giving to LK. That’s quite different from LK being jealous of the attention MB was giving MHG.

MHG was legitimately on track to be in the running for the Olympics and was the assistant trainer and MBs fiancée. Of course MHG is going to get lots and lots of his attention. Do you imagine LK or Seeker do not understand this?

What evidence is there that LK did not understand this or resented it?

As a paying client, even at the favorable rate that was agreed to, LK was entitled to receive the training she was paying for. If MB had changed his mind about wanting or tolerating her as a client, or if he wanted to do as MHG requested and get LK out, he could have unilaterally ended the client relationship at any time, giving 30 days notice.

Why didn’t he?

Why on earth would MHG, an upper level rider, EVER be jealous of LK who had but a fraction of a riding skill set and experience?

LK certainly wasn’t rich enough or talented enough.

Oh and he did give notice telling her he no longer wanted her. Except you want to conflate that notice with an eviction notice.

[Angela_Freda]

@CurrentlyHorseless

My interpretation of Seekers post is that, in her opinion, MHG was jealous of the attention MB was giving to LK. That’s quite different from LK being jealous of the attention MB was giving MHG.

MHG was legitimately on track to be in the running for the Olympics and was the assistant trainer and MBs fiancée. Of course MHG is going to get lots and lots of his attention. Do you imagine LK or Seeker do not understand this?
yes

What evidence is there that LK did not understand this or resented it?
plenty

As a paying client,cough even at the favorable rate that was agreed to, LK was entitled to receive the training she was paying for.
Who said she wasn’t getting it?

If MB had changed his mind about wanting or tolerating her as a client, or if he wanted to do as MHG requested and get LK out, he could have unilaterally ended the client relationship at any time, giving 30 days notice.

Why didn’t he?
was that in the contract daddy arranged?

mine, in bold

[cutter99]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@McGurk

@Seeker1,

I think you need some perspective on this situation other than your daughter’s, because your statements represent a very skewed reality.

Lauren was not competing with MHG for Michael’s attention. That’s a product of Lauren’s disordered thinking. MHG is a successful professional rider and trainer at the International level.

She was an asset to the business at HH because she taught and trained.

Lauren is a lower level amateur, then working on her Bronze medal, who was not fully committed to improving.

They were not in competition with each other except in Lauren’s mind.

Also, Lauren was not “a paying boarder of 4 horses” and “doing work on the house.” That was thoroughly debunked by the trial testimony. Barisone was likely losing money every day the horses were there.

There was no competition. Not as riders, not in personal relationships.

ETA: In the USDF database, Lauren has 95 recorded rides. MHG has 433. Literally, four times the show experience, not factoring the difference in levels.

My interpretation of Seekers post is that, in her opinion, MHG was jealous of the attention MB was giving to LK. That’s quite different from LK being jealous of the attention MB was giving MHG.

MHG was legitimately on track to be in the running for the Olympics and was the assistant trainer and MBs fiancée. Of course MHG is going to get lots and lots of his attention. Do you imagine LK or Seeker do not understand this?

What evidence is there that LK did not understand this or resented it?

As a paying client, even at the favorable rate that was agreed to, LK was entitled to receive the training she was paying for. If MB had changed his mind about wanting or tolerating her as a client, or if he wanted to do as MHG requested and get LK out, he could have unilaterally ended the client relationship at any time, giving 30 days notice.

Why didn’t he?

You actually think MHG was jealous of any attention given to Lauren??? Honestly???

The only reason Lauren would have been on MHG’s radar is because of what problems she insisted on creating. MHG was not intimidated, jealous or any of those emotions.

MHG has moved on with her life and been successful, unlike LK, who on the other hand continued a SM campaign designed to continue to trash MHG. Lauren and IM, who insisted there would be bombshells showing how MHG was the crux of the issue.

We are all still waiting on those non-existent bombshells!

BTW, MHG is still on track for the Olympics.

LK? Not so much, maybe on track for a nap in RG’s truck!

[Knights_Mom]

Remember @CurrentlyHorseless telling a client they are no longer wanted does NOT require, and is not combined with, an eviction notice.

[McGurk]

@CurrentlyHorseless and/or @Seeker1

Can you tell us what the basis is for this belief? Or any evidence?

@CurrentlyHorseless

“My interpretation was what Seeker stated was that, in her opinion, MHG was jealous of the attention MB was giving to LK. That’s quite different from LK being jealous of the attention MB was giving MHG.

MHG’s testimony in the civil trial was gracious and classy, and she very deliberately avoided the opportunity to trash LK. Not the actions of a person who was jealous of someone else’s talent.

[FitzE]

And LK shoehorned in an attempted insult of MHG when they weren’t even discussing her - the exact opposite. It was…very illuminating re: the characters of the two women.

[McGurk]

Wait a minute!

It’s been stated elsewhere, perhaps testified to in the civil trial, is that one of things that LK was upset about was that she was relegated to taking lessons from the assistants, JH and MHG, and she wasn’t getting the attention she believed she was due from Barisone?

How can MHG have been jealous of the attention LK was getting from Barisone if Barisone wasn’t teaching and training her?

Both things can’t be true.

LK saying MHG was jealous of her is classic projection.

[Seeker1]

not jealous of Lauren… Jealous of the Attention.

[Angela_Freda]

@CurrentlyHorseless

MHG was jealous of the attention MB was giving to LK. That’s quite different from LK being jealous of the attention MB was giving MHG.

In my experience with people who have behavior that resembles LKs, suggesting it was a jealousy thing is a way to save face when the other party has actually simply seen through the BS.

In this case, MHG as friend, fiance and business associate of MB, sounding the alarm about what she saw this client doing probably is what put a target on her. These people really don’t like to be exposed for what they’re up to, or their BS.

This very much applies to the Civil trial.
What little glimpses of the absolute nonsense these character’s were up to was just the tip of the iceberg, imagine.
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[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@McGurk

@Seeker1,

I think you need some perspective on this situation other than your daughter’s, because your statements represent a very skewed reality.

Lauren was not competing with MHG for Michael’s attention. That’s a product of Lauren’s disordered thinking. MHG is a successful professional rider and trainer at the International level.

She was an asset to the business at HH because she taught and trained.

Lauren is a lower level amateur, then working on her Bronze medal, who was not fully committed to improving.

They were not in competition with each other except in Lauren’s mind.

Also, Lauren was not “a paying boarder of 4 horses” and “doing work on the house.” That was thoroughly debunked by the trial testimony. Barisone was likely losing money every day the horses were there.

There was no competition. Not as riders, not in personal relationships.

ETA: In the USDF database, Lauren has 95 recorded rides. MHG has 433. Literally, four times the show experience, not factoring the difference in levels.

My interpretation of Seekers post is that, in her opinion, MHG was jealous of the attention MB was giving to LK. That’s quite different from LK being jealous of the attention MB was giving MHG.

MHG was legitimately on track to be in the running for the Olympics and was the assistant trainer and MBs fiancée. Of course MHG is going to get lots and lots of his attention. Do you imagine LK or Seeker do not understand this?

What evidence is there that LK did not understand this or resented it?

As a paying client, even at the favorable rate that was agreed to, LK was entitled to receive the training she was paying for. If MB had changed his mind about wanting or tolerating her as a client, or if he wanted to do as MHG requested and get LK out, he could have unilaterally ended the client relationship at any time, giving 30 days notice.

Why didn’t he?

Why on earth would MHG, an upper level rider, EVER be jealous of LK who had but a fraction of a riding skill set and experience?

LK certainly wasn’t rich enough or talented enough.

It’s clear that MHG had considerable animosity toward LK and wanted her off the property. The bottom line is that her desire to have LK out of HH put pressure on MB to end the client relationship with LK.

It hardly matters whether MHGs reason for wanting LK gone was because 1) she just didn’t like LK, 2) she resented the time MB was devoting to LK, or 3) whether she wanted the apartment in the farmhouse for herself.

MHG wanted LK gone at least as early as April.

If MB himself also wanted her gone, why did he not clearly ask her to leave (prior to Aug 5/6)? He had not asked her to leave as of Aug 3, per MHGs testimony.

Gee, golly, why is it no one answers that obvious question?

I see no evidence that LK was jealous of the time MB was spending with MHG, or tried to “insert herself into their relationship”. Eeuw. Of course he’s going to spend the most time with a talented professional with a shot at the Olympics who is fiancée to boot.

[Seeker1]

she made a deal based on Michael as her trainer. If that was not happening she could have looked elsewhere. Bait and switch by Michael

[Knights_Mom]

@Seeker1

not jealous of Lauren… Jealous of the Attention.

Yeah well that’s sick. That’s a stunning lack of maturity. How embarrassing!!

Edited to clarify: I’m speaking of LK being jealous of the attention MHG got.

[Seeker1]

on MHG’s part for sure

[ekat]

Point of interest, RG testified that JH had been training through 2018 going forward.

There is further testimony elsewhere that in April 2019, MHG was training LG, until she told MB that wasn’t working.

So it appears that for at least a year, based on testimony, MB wasn’t training LK and her horses. So if her expectations weren’t being met, why stay for a year+?

NJ v. Michael Barisone Trial Day 4 - Cross Exam - Robert Goodman - Lauren...

18:39

Mr B: is Michael Barisone training her and her horses in the summer of 2018?

RG: it was more Justin Harden was training, Michael was in the background and, you know, gave tips and advice and yeah he was already overseeing and, you know, adding adding input along the way.

Mr B: and that’s basically basically pretty much what Lauren expected with regards to the arrangement that she made correct?

objection…sustained…

Mr B: In the very beginning, in 2018, in the summer, Justin Harden was training Lauren and her horses, with Michael Barisone overseeing the operation, correct?

RG: Okay

Mr B: and did Justin Harden continue to train throughout 2018 before you guys went back down
to ?

RG: Yes he did and I see where this is going so um, Michael wanted to get to know the horses before he got on so if we’re trying to get to was Michael the planned trainer, yes he was. He was supposed to be eventually the main trainer of Lauren’s horses.

[McGurk]

And there’s evidence that was the agreement? A contract, or witnesses to a verbal agreement?

Or is that Lauren’s likely skewed perception of what the deal was? Paying way below market rate for training board and rent, including a barter agreement, but getting lots of individual attention from an Olympic level rider? Not a likely scenario.

I hope you know that it is VERY unusual for an international level rider and trainer to take a second level amateur as a private student. It would be WAY more typical to have the majority of the instruction done by assistants and just have Barisone oversee it.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@McGurk

@Seeker1,

I think you need some perspective on this situation other than your daughter’s, because your statements represent a very skewed reality.

Lauren was not competing with MHG for Michael’s attention. That’s a product of Lauren’s disordered thinking. MHG is a successful professional rider and trainer at the International level.

She was an asset to the business at HH because she taught and trained.

Lauren is a lower level amateur, then working on her Bronze medal, who was not fully committed to improving.

They were not in competition with each other except in Lauren’s mind.

Also, Lauren was not “a paying boarder of 4 horses” and “doing work on the house.” That was thoroughly debunked by the trial testimony. Barisone was likely losing money every day the horses were there.

There was no competition. Not as riders, not in personal relationships.

ETA: In the USDF database, Lauren has 95 recorded rides. MHG has 433. Literally, four times the show experience, not factoring the difference in levels.

My interpretation of Seekers post is that, in her opinion, MHG was jealous of the attention MB was giving to LK. That’s quite different from LK being jealous of the attention MB was giving MHG.

MHG was legitimately on track to be in the running for the Olympics and was the assistant trainer and MBs fiancée. Of course MHG is going to get lots and lots of his attention. Do you imagine LK or Seeker do not understand this?

What evidence is there that LK did not understand this or resented it?

As a paying client, even at the favorable rate that was agreed to, LK was entitled to receive the training she was paying for. If MB had changed his mind about wanting or tolerating her as a client, or if he wanted to do as MHG requested and get LK out, he could have unilaterally ended the client relationship at any time, giving 30 days notice.

Why didn’t he?

Why on earth would MHG, an upper level rider, EVER be jealous of LK who had but a fraction of a riding skill set and experience?

LK certainly wasn’t rich enough or talented enough.

It’s clear that MHG had considerable animosity toward LK and wanted her off the property. The bottom line is that her desire to have LK out of HH put pressure on MB to end the client relationship with LK.

It hardly matters whether MHGs reason for wanting LK gone was because 1) she just didn’t like LK, 2) she resented the time MB was devoting to LK, or 3) whether she wanted the apartment in the farmhouse for herself.

MHG wanted LK gone at least as early as April.

If MB himself also wanted her gone, why did he not clearly ask her to leave (prior to Aug 5/6)? He had not asked her to leave as of Aug 3, per MHGs testimony.

Gee, golly, why is it no one answers that obvious question?

I see no evidence that LK was jealous of the time MB was spending with MHG, or tried to “insert herself into their relationship”. Eeuw. Of course he’s going to spend the most time with a talented professional with a shot at the Olympics who is fiancée to boot.

Of course any person would have animosity towards LK. Just ask the public who developed animosity just by watching the trial. And I think it’s better to replace the word animosity in MHGs case with the word disgust. I wouldn’t want LK near me or my barn. Were she friends with someone I knew I’d distance from that person. LK is a toxin.

And clearly LK knew she was asked to leave because her father was negotiating her leaving.

Again, getting rid of a boarder does not require an eviction notice.

[Angela_Freda]

@CurrentlyHorseless

It’s clear that MHG had considerable animosity toward LK no it is not clear at all and wanted her off the property. because MHG could see these people for what that are The bottom line is that her desire to have LK out of HH put pressure on MB to end the client relationship with LK.
I’m sure MBs other business partners and relationships put pressure on in the past, which he handled just fine. It was when he encountered a cobra, compared to his usual garter snake that the ante was upped. That’s LK, RG and JKs role in this mesd

It hardly matters whether MHGs reason for wanting LK gone was because 1) she just didn’t like LK, 2) she resented the time MB was devoting to LK, or 3) whether she wanted the apartment in the farmhouse for herself.

MHG wanted LK gone at least as early as April.

If MB himself also wanted her gone , why did he not clearly ask her to leave (prior to Aug 5/6)? He had not asked her to leave as of Aug 3, per MHGs testimony.

Gee, golly, why is it no one answers that obvious question?
** its been answered. You just don’t like it**

I see no evidence that LK was jealous of the time MB was spending with MHG, or tried to “insert herself into their relationship”. Eeuw. Of course he’s going to spend the most time with a talented professional with a shot at the Olympics who is fiancée to boot.

mine in bold

[FitzE]

@ekat

Mr B: is Michael Barisone training her and her horses in the summer of 2018?

RG: it was more Justin Harden was training, Michael was in the background and, you know, gave tips and advice and yeah he was already overseeing and, you know, adding adding input along the way.

Mr B: and that’s basically basically pretty much what Lauren expected with regards to the arrangement that she made correct?

objection…sustained…

Mr B: In the very beginning, in 2018, in the summer, Justin Harden was training Lauren and her horses, with Michael Barisone overseeing the operation, correct?

RG: Okay

Mr B: and did Justin Harden continue to train throughout 2018 before you guys went back down
to ?

RG: Yes he did and I see where this is going so um, Michael wanted to get to know the horses before he got on so if we’re trying to get to was Michael the planned trainer, yes he was. He was supposed to be eventually the main trainer of Lauren’s horses.

So, there wasn’t even any ‘attention’ (or even ‘Attention’) for MHG to be jealous of. Thanks for clearing that up with sworn testimony by someone who was involved.

[ekat]

It’s an interesting piece of testimony, for sure. It helps clarify a thing or two.