Barisone assessment

[FitzE]

@BigMama1

The weirdest part of that manifesto (and so much is weird about it) is that she somehow believed she was the number-one source of income for the business.

I wonder if, at some level, this was fundamental to the problem. Perhaps LK’s understanding of the sandbox she was newly playing in at HH was so flawed that she legit thought paying $5000/k a month + ersatz remodeling work made her Patron Lady Bountiful. $2500/mo is so beyond anything I’ve ever paid that the numbers thrown around here make me dizzy! Of course, I recognise I have never been at a facility even close to HH or any BNT operation. Not even close. So, I understand that my paying a huge price like that wouldn’t be an exception - it would be no big deal.

With the brags about unlimited means and the horse collecting, she may have built up in her head that she was a Very Big Deal, client wise. But, as everyone has pointed out, she was paying pittance, in reality, and was not even close to the most talented or even the most hard working rider in the programme.

She seems somehow to not have noticed that the real players in this sport have many more horses at much higher rates; they often have their own places and sometimes two, one up north and one in FL; they pay upkeep, mortgage, taxes, staff and then they pay trainers top dollar on top of all of that; their horses are bought for vastly more than 40k/each; they commute between their places in their own private jets, not their addict boyfriend’s janky truck. These are the people who are at the top of this heap, not some nobody paying 5k for 4 horses plus all the extras she was getting. She’s not even close to this league - like light years away. These are the people who genuinely are very invested in this sport.

Perhaps LK (like Seeker) didn’t understand her position relative to the real movers and shakers of this sport. If she believed her own hype on that point, she felt she was the number one money provider and rated all kinds of deference and privileges. That would have given rise to a HUGE misalignment in understanding between the two sides.

This is not to disparage the low-level ammy at all. I like being a low-level nobody. Hell, my current goal is to hack out to the ocean each day and maybe learn sidesaddle before I die (which I understand is on the horizon at 55, did I get that right?). It’s when you think you are one thing, but you really are another, that sets you up for all kinds of disappointment.

[FitzE]

@DownYonder

It’s no wonder he got a bit stressed as the summer wore on, and she kept acquiring more horses but not paying more. Not to mention hers and RG’s other “habits.”

Very good pick up. Here’s a thought: could this behaviour by LK have been the source of a cash flow problem, not the fix for it?

[MHM]

@CurrentlyHorseless

So who thinks QFPing is a benefit to the threads, MHM? You?

I do, when some posters have a tendency to edit their posts to change the meaning of them. If that statement doesn’t apply to you, then why would the practice bother you so much?

Once again, see how easy it is to only quote the relevant part of a post when you reply to it?

[cutter99]

@FitzE

@DownYonder

It’s no wonder he got a bit stressed as the summer wore on, and she kept acquiring more horses but not paying more. Not to mention hers and RG’s other “habits.”

Very good pick up. Here’s a thought: could this behaviour by LK have been the source of a cash flow problem, not the fix for it?

And funny that they could not afford rent in NJ, but had the money for other extra, extra curricular activities. You know, the kind that must be paid for!

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@cutter99

And funny that they could not afford rent in NJ, but had the money for other extra, extra curricular activities. You know, the kind that must be paid for!

When it comes to the second issue, where there is the will, there is a way.

[MHM]

@FitzE

As for the rest of what’s gone on today, I can only say it is a stark illustration of my contention that the other side has made a wise decision to maintain their dignified silence to this day.

Well, realistically, I doubt anyone on the other side would have posted anything along the lines of what we see strewn about here on a regular basis. Even if they elected to post anything at all, which they have not.

[FitzE]

Could part of his rising panic to get rid of then include the fact that, on top of her BSC behaviour, she was adding horses and RG was slacking off with his manual labour, and her being there was costing more and more each month and was actually the genesis of a cash flow issue that he couldn’t see ending b/c she was unable to afford anything more than the paltry $5000/month and would not leave?

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@FitzE

Could part of his rising panic to get rid of then include the fact that, on top of her BSC behaviour, she was adding horses and RG was slacking off with his manual labour, and her being there was costing more and more each month and was actually the genesis of a cash flow issue that he couldn’t see ending b/c she was unable to afford anything more than the paltry $5000/month and would not leave?

Entirely possible.

[Warmblood1]

@Sdel

There is a lot to unpack in that spewage.

1. It is now in writing that LK believed she was the “main contributor” to MB’s finances, and that the narrative that LK needed MB is indeed an LK original narrative. How LK’s 5k covered the 40-50k a month operation, making her number one contributor, I’ll never know.
2. LK believes 4 months of her “signature services” justifies MB boarding the shivers horse for free, permanently. Who would agree to this? Especially a trainer that has had any remote success.
3. Per LK’s own words, LK was told she couldn’t be housed - and somehow, “wins” the agreement to stay. To me, this translates to Daddy stepping in and threatening MB so LK can stay. Also going by the court documents stating this.
4. And lastly, what insurance company writes a check intended to fix the ruptured pipe(s) and allows the payee to spend said check on whatever improvements they want? When we had a pipe rupture in our house, insurance payed the companies directly to fix the issue and only approved payment for exactly what needed to be fixed - no random decorating or home improvements by me. Hence curtailing insurance fraud.

[ekat]

@Sdel

Here is the other part of it: notice the use of the words criminal….and recording and keeping track of texts and emails looking…in reference to events that happened in April’19

What was the date of the manifesto?

[MHM]

@FitzE

It’s when you think you are one thing, but you really are another, that sets you up for all kinds of disappointment.

When you jump from being any size fish in a small pond to being a small fish in a much, much, much bigger pond, it may take a while to realize how much bigger and deeper the new pond actually is once you’re there.

[Sdel]

@ekat

@Sdel

Here is the other part of it: notice the use of the words criminal….and recording and keeping track of texts and emails looking…in reference to events that happened in April’19

What was the date of the manifesto?

8/6/19 I believe.

[Warmblood1]

@Sdel

This one is interesting because it verifies in LK’s own words that she did indeed have 4 horses at MB’s at the time this was written.

[ekat]

@Sdel

8/6/19 I believe.

Wow. Thanks.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

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@ekat

@Sdel

Here is the other part of it: notice the use of the words criminal….and recording and keeping track of texts and emails looking…in reference to events that happened in April’19
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What was the date of the manifesto?

8/6/19 I believe

Wow. I didn’t realize she posted the manifesto on 08/06/19 !!!

But I really didn’t follow these threads or this case until the actual trial.

[Sdel]

@Warmblood1

This one is interesting because it verifies in LK’s own words that she did indeed have 4 horses at MB’s at the time this was written.

Here is page 1 and 4…

Keep in mind, this post was referenced in the first thread about the shooting.

[BrendaJane]

I can - adjusted for locality - see that 2500 covers board for one horse. In a normal person barn it might cover instruction.

Alas, Olympian, the instruction is worth more, the location more expensive, and the care better.

No way 5k covers expenses for 4 horses.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Warmblood1

There is a lot to unpack in that spewage.

You know what jumped out to me? Her repeated comments regarding anything and everything related to his marriage.

That’s legitimately BIZARRE behavior to put online in a public post about your own trainer.

And, honestly, the stupid line about how the client only cared that the horse “would never be sold at auction.”

Give me a freaking break. The horse was in ZERO danger of being sent to an auction.

[OntheFnce]

@MHM

@FitzE

It’s when you think you are one thing, but you really are another, that sets you up for all kinds of disappointment.

When you jump from being any size fish in a small pond to being a small fish in a much, much, much bigger pond, it may take a while to realize how much bigger and deeper the new pond actually is once you’re there.

What is sad is LK was a nobody and you know what’s worse than being a nobody? Being a nobody who is now infamous for driving a successful, world class trainer insane.

[hut-ho78]

@MHM

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

Why would MB accept less than that from LK if he truly was cash poor?

Quick review.

Who was the source of the idea that MB was cash poor? Was it somebody who admitted under oath in court to lying a lot?

MHG when questioned by the prosecutor.