Barisone assessment

[trubandloki]

@Seeker1

Some people sadly enjoy annoying and torturing others.

@CurrentlyHorseless

As I understood things from the trial, he did not clearly state that he wanted her gone until Aug 5, and served the demand to vacate on Aug 6. I wound not consider a clear written demand to vacate in 30 days as “involving the legal system”. If he had clearly given her written notice to vacate in 30 days, on, say, July 1, and she was still there on Aug 1, then it would have involved the legal eviction process.

“Michael’s mistake was assuming she was a normal, rational person”? LKs mistake was assuming Barisone was sane and non delusional. You fault her for failing to realize she was dealing with someone on the edge of a mental breakdown when RC and MHG also failed to recognize his delusional behavior and intercede?

I think she was in the process of arranging a move but wanted to move on her own terms and her own schedule rather than be bullied off the farm in 48 hours. If she had known she was at risk of being shot by a delusional trainer, she probably would have packed out immediately. How was she supposed to know he was capable of shooting her? It was unthinkable.

@CurrentlyHorseless

Thank you for the correction. I meant “determined to be insane in the context of a criminal trial”, but I can see that “legally insane” makes more sense than “criminally insane”.

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[CurrentlyHorseless]

@BigMama1

@CurrentlyHorseless

As I understood things from the trial, he did not clearly state that he wanted her gone until Aug 5, and served the demand to vacate on Aug 6.

Then either you didn’t pay attention or you didn’t understand.

In Barisone’s civil suit, it was stated that Barisone informed her that she was asked to leave on the day he gave the speech at the police station, which was August 5.

MHG clearly wanted her gone months earlier.

[Sdel]

@CurrentlyHorseless

A number of posters, but particularly @trubandloki, have consistently QFPed every post of posters they don’t like —IM, Seeker1, Hut-Ho, and me. I very rarely delete posts, or edit other than to correct grammatical errors. Neither did the other targets of the QFPing, so I disagree with you on that assertion.

Speaking of…anyone want to explain why LK is out and about spewing IM’s arguments on COTH verbatim on YT?

[Sdel]

[MorganSercu]

It still makes me snort with laughter that a shovel, in the bed of pick-up truck, on a 53 acre farm is only there to dispose of bodies.

I have a tire iron. I have a bunch of old brass locks that are locked together (I keep meaning to go to the recycle center and get money for them). I have flares, gloves, rope, masks, an old horse blanket, a towel, PENS and PENCILS, jumper cables AND a shovel in my car. Any or all of those items can be used for or after lethal incidents. Most people probably have equally dangerous items in their vehicles.

rolls eyes

[eggbutt]

Holy moly! There is a lot to unpack from that YouTube post! Who is she referring to with we plan to send transcribed audio to the state psych ward? Why is she even involved at this point? There was a trial, a verdict, an evaluation ordered and that’s that. She and the Kanareks should legally have nothing whatsoever to do with any diagnosis or treatment ordered for Barisone! Who does she think she is? It is apparent she and her family will never accept any verdict. This post is very disturbing in my opinion. Or, is this post a typical Lauren fantasy post?

[eggbutt]

Yes, I wonder what all the cops would have found in RG’s truck had they had the intelligence to search it?

LK loves the drama, doesn’t she? Again, what a crying shame that police department shirked their responsibility to perform a thorough forensic crime scene investigation, including confiscating that pesky camera above the door.

[MHM]

@ekat

I know we’ve talked about this before,

Many, many, many, many, many, many, MANY times.

[ekat]

@MorganSercu

It still makes me snort with laughter that a shovel, in the bed of pick-up truck, on a 53 acre farm is only there to dispose of bodies.

I mean, how long does it take for one dude with a shovel to dig a hole deep enough to bury a couple bodies? Wouldn’t people notice he was missing?

I had to bury a cat a couple years ago. It took forever to dig a cat size hole deep enough to bury her. But MB is just gonna be chillin digging a couple human sized graves? That makes no sense.

[eggbutt]

I completely agree except most of us probably don’t spend much time trolling the YouTube trial chats. It is shocking, to me at least, that a month after the verdict LK was still remaining the center of attention posting on her testimony videos. It is concerning for sure. I honestly wonder who should be in the psych hospital.

[pony_baloney]

Since MB is allowed books via Amazon, maybe someone should send him The Maestro’s book. Should be good for a laugh, which I’m sure he needs.

[MHM]

@eggbutt

I honestly wonder who should be in the psych hospital.

Oh, I think we know the answer to that question.

[Fiesta01]

@eggbutt

Who is she referring to with we plan to send transcribed audio to the state psych ward ? Why is she even involved at this point? There was a trial, a verdict, an evaluation ordered and that’s that. She and the Kanareks should legally have nothing whatsoever to do with any diagnosis or treatment ordered for Barisone!

This. I’m hoping Mr. Bilinkas is aware of this information and will intercede with the court and hospital staff to ensure that the Kanareks are not allowed to interfere in his evaluation/treatment.

This info should also be used against her in the civil trial.

[MorganSercu]

Now that would be cruel and unusual punishment.

[BigMama1]

@CurrentlyHorseless

In Barisone’s civil suit, it was stated that Barisone informed her that she was asked to leave on the day he gave the speech at the police station, which was August 5.

And yet Barisone and his lawyers were negotiating with PaPaPopRider and his lawyers before August 5 to get Lauren off the property and moved to a trainer down the road. Pretty hard to claim that she didn’t know he wanted her to leave lol

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@BigMama1

@CurrentlyHorseless

In Barisone’s civil suit, it was stated that Barisone informed her that she was asked to leave on the day he gave the speech at the police station, which was August 5.

And yet Barisone and his lawyers were negotiating with PaPaPopRider and his lawyers before August 5 to get Lauren off the property and moved to a trainer down the road. Pretty hard to claim that she didn’t know he wanted her to leave lol

It was abundantly clear that MHG wanted her off the property and that there was great animosity between the two women. LK may well have wanted out within weeks, but nevertheless wanted to leave on her terms and her time schedule.

On the narrow question of when Barisone actually communicated to her that he, Barisone, wanted her gone (as opposed to MHG), that was Aug 5.

Given the finding in the trial that he was legally insane and delusional, I now interpret his failure to communicate to her that he wanted her to leave as a consequence of his delusions and irrationality.

[BigMama1]

BS. That may be when he gave her formal notice but not the first time he asked her to leave. Why are you so hung up on the MHG angle? It’s bizarre.

[cutter99]

@BigMama1

BS. That may be when he gave her formal notice but not the first time he asked her to leave. Why are you so hung up on the MHG angle? It’s bizarre.

Amen! I think you are onto something @BigMama1!

[ekat]

So, comparative negligence in NJ means that if the plaintiff (in this case, LK) is found 51% liable in her claim, she is awarded nothing. If the jury determines a 50/50 split, she can collect. Likewise, if they determine a 50/50 split in MB’s counterclaim, he can be awarded damages. In effect, they could end up offsetting each other.

So much of the civil trial is going to come down to the same credibility issues as the criminal trial. But in the criminal trial, there wasn’t much character evidence admitted. The only true character witnesses were Phillip Dutton and Boyd Martin. In the civil trial, all bets are off. That PI report? That could be admitted. Any evidence of MB having prior anger issues? It’s coming in. (And, if we’re lucky, we get to see Boyd and Phillip again.) So now you’re left with 6 jurors who very well could say, they both equally caused this mess. (Not predicting the future, just mentioning one of many possible outcomes.)

I have a hard time imagining Mr Tarshis testifying that he was negotiating with JK for at least a week prior again, and 6 neutral parties are going to believe LK didn’t know MB wanted her to leave. Especially since her dad hired ED to represent her, once his negotiations failed. But, I could be wrong.

[3PonyFarm]

How would the dog bite possibly factor into the civil trial? I was of the impression that NJ had strict dog bite laws (if the SOL hasn’t run out). I can see an argument made that the dog was protecting its owners but if there were credibility issues with the timeline of what happened when, could MB receive damages for the bite in addition to any other damages his side might ask for? I understand that in NJ there have been substantial amounts awarded in recent years.