Barisone assessment

[eggbutt]

I had a similar discussion with someone just the other day. After all this time on this forum, and after the fascinating trial and delightful verdict, there are a small handful who continue to defend LK to the nth degree. Is it because they think she is simply an innocent victim with zero responsibility in this, so they think she is a shining example of humanity needing to be defended? I don’t get it. As far as I can see on these forums, if there was ever any obsession it was from those who support and defend LK’s behavior regardless.

[erinmeri]

@cutter99

@erinmeri excellent written, clear, spot-on posts!

Glad to see you here!

Hey @cutter99! Thank you! Tried to stay away… and unemployment and more barn time (2-4 horses a day!) and looking for work (someone hire me!) has been meant a nice break from the forums. Tried to lurk and not reply but failed. Lol. How are you??

[JanM]

By the time the civil trial happens, and he moves back to Florida full time, I’m sure he’ll qualify for the homestead exemption. By the time of the civil trial, at the pace this is going, he’ll probably be getting one of the “White House congratulations on your 100th Birthday letters”.

[erinmeri]

@eggbutt

I had a similar discussion with someone just the other day. After all this time on this forum, and after the fascinating trial and delightful verdict, there are a small handful who continue to defend LK to the nth degree. Is it because they think she is simply an innocent victim with zero responsibility in this, so they think she is a shining example of humanity needing to be defended? I don’t get it. As far as I can see on these forums, if there was ever any obsession it was from those who support and defend LK’s behavior regardless.

I can only speak for myself and how I felt prior to the trial.

I did see a lot of vitriol here. I don’t disagree with others who point to it. I am pretty sure that there WAS some nasty stuff being said when LK was im a coma. Maybe that colored my opinion, maybe not.

I was an outsider and I thought that (and said that) even if she was bat guano crazy, unless she was armed with a pitchfork or worse, he was 100% culpable.

I had also previously been in very BNT/Olympic barns where what the trainer said went and we all idolized them. I was also in another fairly BNT (non-Olympic) barn where I was emotionally and psychologically abused constantly. Maybe THAT colored my opinion.

I have also disclosed here that I had a family member who was an addict and I didn’t appreciate the things being said about those around LK, and thought they were unfair. Maybe THAT colored my opinion.

Either way… I changed my mind based on fact and evidence. I have also been pretty honest about my own mental health struggles, and they helped me understand MB and the torment he must have gone through. Maybe those so mired to their narrative can’t look at the big picture, can’t look at fact, or have other things coloring their understanding.

It’s rough.

[eggbutt]

thank you @erinmeri…I’ve missed you! Welcome back to the playpen!

[erinmeri]

@eggbutt

thank you @erinmeri…I’ve missed you! Welcome back to the playpen!

Awwwwww! Thank you!!! Not sure I am ready for the playpen! Lol.

[Danvers]

Answering this will just regurgitate everything that has been said over and over and over again the last years… none of these responses are new and any response one will give will not be new… LET IT GO into the ethosphere.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@erinmeri

@CurrentlyHorseless

@trubandloki apparently has quoted my post because she thinks it needs to be quoted again and again! She must think it is an excellent post!

I can’t speak for why @trubandloki is QFP’ing your posts, but unless otherwise stated (as in “Couldn’t have said this better! Quoting again!”), the reasons people quote here when they are not responding to a point are not something to be proud of. Rather, they are because of a poster’s history of editing, deleting, contradicting, or otherwise obfuscating posts/opinions/statements. But, being an avid poster here I am sure you are aware of that.

I thought the sarcasm would have been obvious, and omitted the /s. Of course I know she did not intend it as a compliment.

A number of posters, but particularly @trubandloki, have consistently QFPed every post of posters they don’t like —IM, Seeker1, Hut-Ho, and me. I very rarely delete posts, or edit other than to correct grammatical errors. Neither did the other targets of the QFPing, so I disagree with you on that assertion.

I am convinced @trubandloki does this simply to annoy. It doesn’t bother me as a poster, but is annoying to me as a reader. I wonder if she realizes, or cares, that her QFPing probably bothers other posters more than it bothers her target.

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I thought the sarcasm would have been obvious, and omitted the /s. Of course I know she did not intend it as a compliment.

A number of posters, but particularly @trubandloki, have consistently QFPed every post of posters they don’t like —IM, Seeker1, Hut-Ho, and me. I very rarely delete posts, or edit other than to correct grammatical errors. Neither did the other targets of the QFPing, so I disagree with you on that assertion.

I am convinced @trubandloki does this simply to annoy. It doesn’t bother me as a poster, but is annoying to me as a reader. I wonder if she realizes, or cares, that her QFPing probably bothers other posters more than it bothers her target.

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[Bogey2]

5,000 a month for three horses means you are making no money…

[Seeker1]

Some people sadly enjoy annoying and torturing others.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@BigMama1

@CurrentlyHorseless

I don’t really care what you want to fill in the blanks with as to why he failed to demand she vacate months earlier. Whatever reason there was as to why he failed to demand she vacate earlier, the fact is that he did not serve a demand to vacate until the day before he shot her. I think LKs civil lawyers will make much of that fact.

From everything we heard, it sounds like he was assuming / hoping at first the issues could be resolved without involving the legal system. When most client / trainer relationships go sour, the client takes their horses and leaves. Though he hadn’t served legal notice earlier, he had obviously made it known and she quite clearly knew she was no longer welcome there. Michael’s mistake was assuming she was a normal, rational person with a shred of self respect and common decency; that person would not stay where they weren’t wanted, and would leave without needing to be forced out by the courts.

He hadn’t counted on her reacting like a psychopath and launching a campaign to ruin him personally and professionally. When it became clear there was no alternative, he tried the formal eviction route.

You keep assigning blame to him for not doing that sooner, but does she not bear any responsibility for not simply finding somewhere else to train and live?

As I understood things from the trial, he did not clearly state that he wanted her gone until Aug 5, and served the demand to vacate on Aug 6. I wound not consider a clear written demand to vacate in 30 days as “involving the legal system”. If he had clearly given her written notice to vacate in 30 days, on, say, July 1, and she was still there on Aug 1, then it would have involved the legal eviction process.

“Michael’s mistake was assuming she was a normal, rational person”? LKs mistake was assuming Barisone was sane and non delusional. You fault her for failing to realize she was dealing with someone on the edge of a mental breakdown when RC and MHG also failed to recognize his delusional behavior and intercede?

I think she was in the process of arranging a move but wanted to move on her own terms and her own schedule rather than be bullied off the farm in 48 hours. If she had known she was at risk of being shot by a delusional trainer, she probably would have packed out immediately. How was she supposed to know he was capable of shooting her? It was unthinkable.

[Bogey2]

even two horses …5,000 is not enough. I ride with legitimate FEI trainers and pay close to 3-4 thousand per month when in full training.

[Bogey2]

yes and your daughter is one of them

[BigMama1]

@erinmeri

@CurrentlyHorseless’s line of thinking in a lot of posts echoes some of my thinking pre-trial. But the trial laid bare a whole lot and also confirmed a lot of hearsay here on the forum. My mind has changed as a result of what was laid bare.

Ditto

When LK and IM kept insisting we would learn the truth for ourselves at the trial, they were 100% correct. Just not the way they thought it be lol.

[eggbutt]

@Seeker1

Some people sadly enjoy annoying and torturing others.

Oh please! Who is being “tortured” and by whom? Your definition of torture is unique to say the least. A reminder, no one, and I mean NO ONE is forced to come to this specific thread and read the posts or comment.

[BigMama1]

@CurrentlyHorseless

As I understood things from the trial, he did not clearly state that he wanted her gone until Aug 5, and served the demand to vacate on Aug 6.

Then either you didn’t pay attention or you didn’t understand.

[Joanne]

@CurrentlyHorseless

If she had known she was at risk of being shot by a delusional trainer, she probably would have packed out immediately.

I do believe that LK said she heard “them” plotting her murder. Seems logical that, if she heard that, she would be gone ASAP.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@ekat

@CurrentlyHorseless

because he has been found to be criminally insane.

I know we’ve talked about this before, but that is a misstatement of NJ law. MB was found to be legally insane, yes, but in NJ, that’s not criminal.

Thank you for the correction. I meant “determined to be insane in the context of a criminal trial”, but I can see that “legally insane” makes more sense than “criminally insane”.

[ekat]

Thank you.