Barisone assessment

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Sdel

Why are you tagging 2 banned users and 1 member that hasn’t posted anything involving you in quite a while?

Did you forget your conspiracy theory? Unable to let it go that you were wrong? Can’t accept that most of us don’t go around flagging each other without significant cause.

I was pointing out that @equkelly and @RND must have been flagged by people other than me in order to get banned.

[Scribbler]

@BigMama1

@Scribbler

I would not however accept a settlement that involved me paying any amount of damages, because I do think LK has no case here.

I disagree, IF the civil jury finds it credible that Michael shot Lauren. If so, they would likely deem him liable for her injuries, pain and suffering, etc. regardless of what his mental state was at the time.

However, they may also find it credible that Lauren’s relentless harassment caused Michael’s mental break. In that case they might deem her liable for his injuries, pain, suffering, loss of reputation, financial losses, etc. in the counter claim.

In the end would the two claims cancel each other out?

Well, yes, any trial can turn out any way. There’s comments upthread about the amount of responsibility. If one party is more than 50 per cent responsible in NJ they lose. Bang on 50/50 and its a wash.

My impression is that for civil suits the pretrial settlement period is a game of chicken. Both sides would typically prefer a settlement in their favor without a trial. Both sides will bluff and huff and puff to try to get the other party to moderate their claims. This can involve public statements too in media or SM.

Very often high profile or celebrity or newsworthy cases (like damages against corporations) huff and puff in the news a lot on both sides then settle with an NDA.

I think LK’s lawsuit looks a lot different after the trial outcome and her testimony than it did when filed 2 years ago. I realize LK may not be able to admit this, but I am sure her lawyers and even her actual family do.

At this point, her lawyers likely hope they can pressure MB’s team into a pretrial settlement based on him not wanting or needing a long civil suit hanging over his future. If he sticks with the “bring it on!” mindset, then LK’s team will have some more thinking to do.

All such negotiations happen in private and the outcome may never be publicly announced. So we wouldnt necessarily know when such negotiations begin.

[SillyHorse]

It suddenly occurred to me that the few posters who continually justify LK’s actions and defend her are not necessarily admirers of LK, but rather are haters of MB.

Yes / no / maybe?

[lazaret]

Just a note that in the state of NJ, a “disorderly tenant” is in fact grounds for an emergent removal, as is “termination of employment” or other in-kind residency agreement.

In other words, if her residing there was part of a deal for employment via RG, or as a condition of her boarding horses, and any one of those situations were to be terminated, there is grounds for an eviction inside of 30 days required notice.

I’m guessing that is information her esteemed attorney would have provided her father and likely factored into the sudden and immediate negotiation of relocation terms. Given that she was calling the housing inspector and police regularly, it stands to reason that she did not have a continuing desire to reside there and the landlord was trying to release her from any terms so the amicable end to that dispute is to break the lease and get out.

[ekat]

@lazaret

Just a note that in the state of NJ, a “disorderly tenant” is in fact grounds for an emergent removal, as is “termination of employment” or other in-kind residency agreement.

In other words, if her residing there was part of a deal for employment via RG, or as a condition of her boarding horses, and any one of those situations were to be terminated, there is grounds for an eviction inside of 30 days required notice.

I’m guessing that is information her esteemed attorney would have provided her father and likely factored into the sudden and immediate negotiation of relocation terms. Given that she was calling the housing inspector and police regularly, it stands to reason that she did not have a continuing desire to reside there and the landlord was trying to release her from any terms so the amicable end to that dispute is to break the lease and get out.

The eviction process, even here in my landlord friendly state, is painful enough that I have often negotiated other ends just to get someone gone before going the formal route. “Cash for keys” is an awfully popular way to get a tenant to go and often costs less than an actual eviction. It’s not impossible that was part of the negotiations that broke down by August 5th.

[Sdel]

@lazaret

I’m guessing that is information her esteemed attorney would have provided her father and likely factored into the sudden and immediate negotiation of relocation terms.

Considering this; I guess the real question that should be asked is, Why didn’t daddy inform LK that her training had been terminated and she needed to leave before MB’s attorney notified her of this fact.

[NEEDS_A_NAP]

I meant CH. Lots of massive speculation, qualified with lots of “as everyone knows” type phrases. No we don’t . However, if money were to be made, it might be shared with LK.

[Warmblood1]

I don’t think k-klan ever anticipated a NGRI verdict. The odds were microscopic. I think they assumed a guilty verdict which would then support their civil suit. I don’t think they anticipated a simple NG verdict because LK was shot. Instead, a NGRI verdict was given, and it was proven MB was driven to the point of insanity in a criminal case. I don’t think they were prepared for that outcome and it has now sabotaged their entire civil case.

[eggbutt]

A refresher regarding flagging from the moderator (from one of the Tech Support threads) -

So, THIS is the reason I said many deleted/edited by the mod posts are due to ganged up flagging. Don’t try to get me to believe there wasn’t a private message group at one time coordinating posts to flag, attack, or how to respond. To most of us these threads have not been a game to win but speaking truth to a despicable situation.

[cutter99]

@Warmblood1

If I were LK, I’d be sweating bullets with this upcoming civil trial.

No matter how much LK tries to sway public opinion with slimy YT comments, no matter how hard she tries to sabotage MB with alleged recordings being sent to AK (the idea in itself proves her to be malicious even if the recordings don’t exist), no matter what her family says on message boards, EVERYTHING can be undone by one very simple question:

WHY DIDN’T SHE LEAVE?

And there is NO answer LK can give to justify her not leaving. Difficult to move horses? No one is buying it, especially if your life depends on it. The more she argues she was at risk, the more ridiculous the answer becomes. Her entire defense is undone and the logic totally flawed. There is no doubt in my mind the jury will ask themselves the same question.

Sweating bullets.

She is so convinced she is playing 3D chess with the rest of the world, she doesn’t see a need to sweat bullets.

The rest of us can very clearly see how it is going to go, but not LK! It must be horrible to be that blind!

[Warmblood1]

@ekat

So, you think her dad negotiating an exit at the end of July, that she refused, is meaningless?

I’ll play your game with notice for a second. All things being the same, dueling SS reports, police calls, building inspectors, SM posts, surreptitious recordings, ninja appearances, etc all remain the same. Notice is delivered by email Aug 5th, and served Aug 6th, per trial testimony. All other facts remain the same, including CPS showing up.

If the shooting never happened, what do you envision the 30 day notice accomplishes? Do you think everyone’s going to sit around a camp fire toasting marshmallows and singing Kum Ba Yah for 29 days and then LK and RG pack up on day 30 and get out, because now she has that piece of paper in her hands that is more significant than even her own father’s actions?

Or, version 2: the farm remains toxic for another 30 days. Possibly other clients leave, like the one who testified she was looking for a new barn already. MB’s got nowhere to freaking sleep short of getting an Air BnB while work can be done on the barn, ninjas keep popping up, recordings continue to happen, with private conversations still being posted on SM, etc…and on day 30 it all comes to an end, when again, that piece of paper makes her move?

Or, version 3: all of the above continues to happen, except she decides, what the heck, let him evict me. So now she and RG are dug in, while continuing their part in the toxicity at the farm. Day 31 - Mr Tarshis files eviction. Hearing is set for March 2020, because that’s about how long it takes to get an eviction hearing pre-COVID. Then COVID hits and courts are closed, and eviction moratoriums are enacted, and the nightmare grows worse and worse. How does that scenario end?

Your logic is on point and your whole exploration paints such a vivid picture for me. Great post. It really shows the amount of pressure and stress MB and affiliates were under. I will never understand how LK can be so comfortable with being such a difficult character.

[eggbutt]

@Warmblood1

I will never understand how LK can be so comfortable with being such a difficult character.

Because her behavior has been allowed all her life without repercussions. She’s been led to believe she is right OR she can get out of anything. I call that a combination of personality traits and enabling parenting.

[MHM]

@Warmblood1

I don’t think k-klan ever anticipated a NGRI verdict. The odds were microscopic. I think they assumed a guilty verdict which would then support their civil suit. I don’t think they anticipated a simple NG verdict because LK was shot. Instead, a NGRI verdict was given, and it was proven MB was driven to the point of insanity in a criminal case. I don’t think they were prepared for that outcome and it has now sabotaged their entire civil case.

Plus it sounded like they never really anticipated that it would go to trial in the first place. Several posters made a pretty convincing case that they expected MB to plead guilty, and when he elected not to do so at the last minute, suddenly they had to worry about an actual trial taking place, never mind the result of it.

And I will agree that based strictly on the numbers, it sounds like it is a very, very rare outcome. Props to Mr. B for pulling it off, but it probably threw a huge monkey wrench in the assorted K’s plans and expectations.

[Bogey2]

The only thing I can say to this is that LK is the one with the history …her history (along with her BF and family) for bullying along with harassing is all over the internet. Where is MB and Mary’s history for such behavior? Court records? Social Media?

[Seeker1]

This lack of understanding on your part cutter99 is not shocking.

[Warmblood1]

@eggbutt

Because her behavior has been allowed all her life without repercussions. She’s been led to believe she is right OR she can get out of anything. I call that a combination of personality traits and enabling parenting.

I do understand what you are saying but on the other hand, I must give credit to those who were victims of domestic violence or terrible upbringings and how many defy the odds and still became incredible people. I think people are victims of circumstance but at the same time, we aren’t condemned solely by our past and those who raise us. I think at the end of the day, some people choose to be good and some people choose to be bad.

[Warmblood1]

@Seeker1

This lack of understanding on your part cutter99 is not shocking.

The lack of understanding on your part, seeker, is not shocking.

[FitzE]

@Sdel

Why are you tagging 2 banned users and 1 member that hasn’t posted anything involving you in quite a while?

Oh, I’m guessing this is someone harassing me? What a shocker.

Even completely ignoring people like this for ages (and not even participating in the last major thread) is not enough to back them off. One more bit of evidence in a pattern of relentless, obsessive, truly disturbing focus that these people have and exert against their targets, even when the target (in this case, me) completely disengages. This is reflective of what we learned about the behaviour of the ‘victims’ at trial. It seems birds of a feather flock together/a family that preys together, stays together.

It sheds light on what MB and the other people at the barn were faced with. People like this cannot give up, walk away, let it go, find another use for their time. They are incapable of controlling the impulse to go after someone once they’ve IDed that person as their target. It’s sick and scary.

And they wonder why they get banned? Oookaaay.

If this is about me, maybe someone can tell that poster to keep my name out their mouth? Although, I guess if they are STILL blathering on about me after all this time, it is a good PSA for others re: the true character of that poster. Plus/minus, I guess. Also, isn’t that kind of sustain obsession what that crew calls ‘living rent-free’ in someone’s head? Oh, how ironic.

There are a couple posters who I’ve deemed beneath contempt and not worthy of notice of any kind whatsoever. Their participation lowers the tone and the content of any discussion.
Blocking them has made these threads much more interesting and efficient for me.

[Sdel]

@NEEDS_A_NAP

I meant CH. Lots of massive speculation, qualified with lots of “as everyone knows” type phrases. No we don’t . However, if money were to be made, it might be shared with LK.

Same difference…

[MHM]

@FitzE

There are a couple posters who I’ve deemed beneath contempt and not worthy of notice of any kind whatsoever. Their participation lowers the tone and the content of any discussion.
Blocking them has made these threads much more interesting and efficient for me.

I don’t really bother with the block feature, but I’ve noticed that just exclusively using the scroll key on certain posters has the same effect on these threads for me.