Barisone assessment

I liked Dorothy Parker’s quip, “You can lead a whore to culture but you can’t make her think.” (When asked to come up with a sentence using horticulture.)

“Pearls before swine” was her reply to Clare Booth Luce who said, “Age before beauty” when they were entering a building.

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“Ain’t No Rest for the Wicked” comes to mind (Cage the Elephant).

Maybe “Ten Cent Pistol” (The Black Keys) too (reference to RG).

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As I recall from several LK posts very early on, there was no information about an exposed dryer wire.
It went something like this; they were in the barn at night—maybe just RG.
The dryer was running.
A staff member called down the aisle to RC that they were going upstairs to bed and the dryer was not cutting off on its own.
RG/LK knew that RC didn’t hear the staff member because they somehow knew she was asleep.
So instead of just unplugging the thing (as people have logically suggested) and leaving a note, LK started texting everyone who had been instructed to ignore her.

Maybe she didn’t have a pen and paper—she could have just broken into the office and borrowed some! :thinking:

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For those who remember the working student who testified during the trial, I just saw a post on Facebook that said she made her PSG debut last week with scores of 65.7 and 64.5 following a three year break from the show ring, with a pony she brought along herself.

Good for her!!! :sunglasses:

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In that case send a text “I unplugged the drier. It wasn’t shutting off” would have been the right thing to do. But that would have been too human

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Questions:

  1. For people on suboxone for drug addiction - do they take it daily?

  2. Is it normally packaged in a 30-dose box like the photo posted earlier in this thread?

  3. Is it normally provided by a pharmacy in a 90-day supply?

  4. Am I remembering correctly that MB/MHG found three empty Suboxone boxes in LK/RG’s trash?

  5. Wouldn’t most people throw away each box as they emptied it? Instead of keeping empty boxes around and then throwing away multiple boxes at once?

  6. How many automatic refills are allowed before a new prescription is needed?

  7. How often does the patient have to see a physician for a check-up in order to get a script for more refills?

  8. Do they have to be drug-tested on a regular basis, or before they get a new script?

(Obviously - and thankfully - I know next to nothing about drug addiction or Suboxone.) :slightly_smiling_face:

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LK did testify that she was seeing an Addiction Therapist and someone else—maybe a psychiatrist? I think it was a bit too garbled for me to understand.

I don’t know if Addiction Therapist are normally MDs so she would have to see someone else to get the prescription.

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  1. Yes.

  2. Yes.

  3. It varies from place to place, but Suboxone has always been “easy to get” due to being over-prescribed due to dishonest dispensers who were getting reimbursed for it by the states and federal government.

  4. I dunno.

  5. The boxes contain 30 foil wrapped doses. Whether or not someone takes them all out at once or opens a single box at a time is personal preference.

  6. It varies, but they generally keep getting it as long as they are in some sort of treatment program or as long as they are able to get it, through various means.

  7. Prescriptions tend to be continuous refills and as above, it varies.

  8. It depends on the treatment program and who is calling the shots, in regards to what’s going on.

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Those are a lot of really good questions. A lot of the answers are going to depend on quite a few factors though. Things are going to be different based on state regs, health insurance where applicable, specific pharmacy rules, and general public clinic vs private treatment with your GP and treating team. I could tell you more than you want to know about how the addiction clinics around me work, but those may not apply outside of my area and the people they serve.

I know that doesn’t help much, but like so many things, there may not be a one size fits all answer.

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Re bolded. The mods sometimes come on and say “We removed some posts (or a large number of posts); please stop the bickering”, but I’m pretty sure they do not come on with a blurb on every occasion that a post is edited (by the mods) or deleted (by the mods). In essence, the mods will come on with a blurb if there is a moderate or large scale spate of objectionable off topic posts, but not every single isolated objectionable post.

I’m pretty tired of being accused of “stirring the pot” because I happen to express my opinion. On a bulletin board. Apparently I’m supposed to “read the room”, notice I’m the minority opinion, and exit so as not to disturb the echo.

As I haven’t exited voluntarily, I’m subjected to taunts that I’m a troll, an alter for a banned poster, or a “delegate” or “surrogate” of LK, harassed with posters QFPing my every post (then falsely insinuating the QFPing is due to my using “dirty deletes”), and criticized for using the forum’s tagging function in what I thought was a completely normal way. As any poster who objects to the completely gratuitous bashing of the gunshot victims is treated this way, it’s pretty clear that it’s not me, it’s the opinion I represent. That’s why I felt some kinship with RND. It’s not easy to remain civil.

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Why are we still arguing about the exact same thing with the exact same people?

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Thanks for the replies about suboxone. It just seems so odd to me that there were multiple empty boxes found at the same time. I would think most people would be more meticulous about getting rid of trash and clutter, esp. folks living in an apartment which probably wasn’t terribly large. And esp. when at least of them was so - ahem - meticulous about doing laundry. :grin:

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Would it be possible to either stick to the topic of this thread ‘Barisone Assessment’ or start another? I just wanted to see if there was an update on his release. Instead there are 1500 comments on just about anything but his assessment.

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Just thought of more questions about suboxone.

  1. Are scripts tracked through a PDMP?
  2. If not, could a patient get a script from one doctor, then go to another doctor for another script, and so on?
  3. Did I see somewhere on one of these threads that there is a street market for suboxone?
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Agree. It’s the exact same argument with the exact same 2 posters in every thread. I’d like to keep an eye on the assessment info, not rehash what Lauren was wearing.

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As I said before, there is really no point in further discussions about MB here until there is actual, significant movement towards or away from his eventual release. Minute, ongoing updates are of no real consequence and are best left without any ongoing discussion or discussed privately.

I get your point, but it seems it would be better to have one thread even if it is wide-ranging, than to clutter up the forum with multiple threads revolving around the same people/incident. :grinning:

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Except, i believe it is only allowed to be open because it purports to include ‘new’ information about MB. This does not.

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  1. Scripts are tracked, but oversight varies from state-to-state. There has always been an issue with the product flooding the street and it hasn’t been closely monitored or addressed until very recently.

  2. Yes, it happens and many are happy to write multiple prescriptions or fake ones, if it’s financially incentivized, which it has been, due to reimbursement initiatives.

  3. Yes, there is a street market for it. It can be used in conjunction with other street opiates, as individual doses combined with the harder stuff. There are also those who will buy it in bulk from those who are prescribed it or prescribe it and in turn resell it.

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Ugh, that is what I was afraid of. And it certainly does add some context to my earlier questions.

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