Barisone assessment

[MHM]

@ekat

@LilRanger

I expect the criminal side will be on either a 3 month or 6 month “cycle,” simply based on the pressure the facility is probably under to have beds, and the fact that many legal time-frames seem to be divisible by 3

From what I’ve found in my digging, in NJ, starting from date of initial commitment hearing, it’s 3 months post hearing, 6 months post hearing, then jumps to a year, and is annual after that. Hearings can be requested more frequently. And hearings are far less frequent once they’re out and under just community supervision.

Do the hearings all have to be in the same court in front of the same judge? Or can they transfer the responsibility to a different state or jurisdiction if the person relocates?

It seems like it would be quite a pain in the neck if MB had to keep returning to the court in New Jersey from his home in Florida.

[ekat]

@MHM

Do the hearings all have to be in the same court in front of the same judge? Or can they transfer the responsibility to a different state or jurisdiction if the person relocates?

It seems like it would be quite a pain in the neck if MB had to keep returning to the court in New Jersey from his home in Florida.

So much of that is going to depend on any release terms that are ordered. But once he’s been released to community supervision, it appears hearings are pretty infrequent unless you’re not cooperating with your terms of release or otherwise getting in to trouble.

If you dig in to it, technically he would remain under Judge T’s supervision until he gains full release. How that looks in reality, I have no idea. I’ve tried to see if/what NJ does for interstate patients, but I’m drawing a blank.

Of course, a full release means you’re done, no more hearings necessary. Those timeframes I listed are presuming the patient is still committed or institutionalized.

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@eggbutt

I did apologize. My apology was made in reply to the poster who posted the quote I was remembering, and perhaps I didn’t tag you, as smoofox and a couple of others have been making comments as if tagging someone is rude. In this case, it would have alerted you to my apology.

I am able to admit a mistake, and have done so. I always admitted the possibility of faulty memory.

@CurrentlyHorseless

I appreciate your posting the “boob” post which makes it clear that my attribution to Eggbutt was incorrect.

What I remember is an all caps screaming match between LK and the other “big player poster” immediately before the thread was shut down. It’s still possible that there was a further exchange with all caps reiterating the discussing of boob fixing which was deleted by the mods when they shut the thread. It seems the worst of the posts which cause a thread to be closed are usually deleted by the mods. But even if that’s the case, you’ve convinced me the author of the quote or quotes was GreenWithEnvy, not Eggbutt.

@CurrentlyHorseless

When presented with a plausible candidate of a quote that I was misremembering, I immediately conceded that I had misattributed the quote. And apologized to Eggbutt. I know my memory is far from perfect.

When presented with a plausible candidate of a quote you could have misremembered (the quote about Walthers), you continued to insist that there was a post about Rugers that you were 100% sure you saw, and must have been deleted. Big difference.

I don’t believe anyone who claims their memory is 100% perfect. I don’t doubt that there are others who have posted they believe they saw a Rugers post. If one person reports they’ve seen the Loch Ness monster, there tend to be other reported sightings. Doesn’t establish the existence of the Loch Ness monster.

@CurrentlyHorseless

Are you sure you have me on ignore?

You claim to have avoided “engaging me” for some time, but nevertheless seem to post in order to disparage me on a daily basis. I would love for you to do as you’ve claimed and genuinely ignore me.

@CurrentlyHorseless

I was following your request not to tag you, FitzE. But if the jabs are going to continue on a daily basis, what’s the point?

I would be happy to not engage you and not tag you, but not when your “ignoring” works like this.

If at some point you genuinely wish to decline to engage, I’m happy to reciprocate.

@CurrentlyHorseless

???

I never said I had FitzE on ignore. I don’t have her on ignore.

She has made several posts explaining how she has put me on ignore, and “declined to engage me” because I am beneath her notice. She has asked me not to tag her, which I have honored.

If I were actually on ignore and actually beneath her notice, that’d be great. But she seems to be following me plenty well and continuing with the petty disparagement.

If at any point she actually wants to disengage, I’m glad to reciprocate.

@CurrentlyHorseless

Yes, by mentioning her name in your response to me, she will have been alerted, and can click on the hidden post.

I’ve briefly had people on ignore, but given up for the reasons you mention. One can only genuinely disengage by, well, declining to engage the old fashioned, internal way.

@CurrentlyHorseless

I have been careful not to tag you, since you mentioned that.

On the other hand Eggbutt at first missed my apology to her because I was responding to the poster who provided the quote, and I hadn’t tagged Eggbutt. In retrospect, she probably would have liked to be alerted.

I would prefer to be tagged when someone is “talking about” me, so that I’m aware of what they’re saying. Also, I’m not sure I have the bandwidth to remember exactly which posters prefer not to be tagged and which prefer to be tagged, but have noted your preference.

On the post you are referring to, even though neither I nor Cutter tagged anyone, if a poster who has me on ignore happens to read Cutter’s response mentioning her name, without tagging, she’ll know she is being discussed. That was Cutter’s point and what I meant by “alerted”. I know she wouldn’t receive a system alert.

I receive tons of notifications, partly because of trubandloki’s QFPing of everything I post. I find it annoying for several reasons. Should I request she not do it? I have a feeling she would ignore the request.

@CurrentlyHorseless

Some time ago, I reported that in my reading of the exchange between FitzE and you, my perception was that she was vicious. It was a report of my perception of the exchange. Sort of similar to your perception of how RND attacked others.

You came on and said you had not felt attacked. Great. You have a thicker skin than I. Are you doubting that I, in my perception, found the exchange cringeworthy? I never said you complained. Indeed, you later said it hadn’t bothered you at all.

I’m not compiling the latest set of jabs. I’m just saying that her claim of “non engagement” rings pretty hollow.

@CurrentlyHorseless

Not sure who you are asking.

If you’re asking me, feel free to tag me!

@CurrentlyHorseless

You’re right, I never quoted it. I just reported my reaction the exchange.

@CurrentlyHorseless

Yes, you’re saying that I may have misremembered the identity of the posters. The length of time that passed between was much shorter, but yes, obviously it’s possible.

@CurrentlyHorseless

I’ve said that I’d appreciate FitzE genuinely declining to engage with, or “comment about” me, even when making comments without using my name.

I’d like to trubandloki, and others to drop the incessant QFPing. It’s pointless and annoying.

@CurrentlyHorseless

My need for control? You asked me what my preferences were. You asked me to enumerate “very specifically”. Why did you come on and address this question to me?

I have no illusion that anyone will be inclined to “do what I want”.

My bad for not catching on that you were just baiting me.

I would think that others are similarly annoyed with the QFPing, but having the quotes clutter up the threads is just as annoying to others as it is to the targets.

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[Angela_Freda]

@CurrentlyHorseless

don’t have a phenomenal memory, or even an above average memory. I do, absolutely, remember seeing it, and the only reason I would remember a post is because of the over the top nastiness. I remember it was in all caps.

Who would have cleaned it up or deleted it? Well, either you or the mods, obv.

Instead on “suggesting” you didn’t post it by deflecting with a meaningless question or talking about “credibility issues”, please answer directly, yes or no, whether you posted it.

Despite my non phenomenal memory, I remember it distinctly. If you want to deny having written it, please make a straight denial, instead of hiding behind the deflection

Many of us remember LK posting about her guns. Plural.
But that wasn’t good enough for you.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@erinmeri

This reminds me of that time in a previous Barisone thread that another poster was accused of bullying me but neither of us (myself nor the accused) knew what was being referred to, and the accuser offered no proof. Just an accusation with something along the lines of “I was so appalled when I saw that” and no receipts. If you’re going to lob public accusations, you should at least back them up.

OK. I went back and now “have receipts”.

It was posted on Aug 24, 2021 in the “Court Date for Michael Barisone?” thread. The official post number is #1880, but the counter registers more like #1847.

FitzE accuses you of being “snide”, “juvenilely snarky” and that your post “showed bad faith” and constituted “faux civil discourse”. She said “you do not rate my labor to explain my position” and that you repeated “verbiage I used in a mocking way”. She says that if you don’t want to be accused of being a troll, you shouldn’t act like one.

Your posts leading up to this were completely polite and respectful, and you were apologizing for not having been clear.

So that’s the post. I was appalled. If that barrage of accusations didn’t bother you at all, you have a far thicker skin than I.

[Angela_Freda]

@CurrentlyHorseless

It is also possible that my memory is correct and you, or the mods, deleted it.

[Angela_Freda]

Is it though?

[Angela_Freda]

@CurrentlyHorseless

my misremembering the author comes from remembering the quote and that it came from “the chief antiLK poster”,

Yep, there’s your problem, labeling people this way.
Maybe read what they write without assuming things about them you can’t know
This isn’t a popularity contest
This case and the events that lead up to it isn’t a game, and no one’s on a “team”.

[DownYonder]

@eggbutt

It seems most of us have had that one special horse that is gone and we lost a huge part of our heart and spirit. My boy was not yet 2. EPM and a mistake by a flawed vet cost him his recovery. I cry every day and feel the pain constantly. sincere hugs to you.

Oh my gosh, I can truly truly relate to this. I had bought my “one special horse” when he was 3 months old and he was nearly 17 when I lost him in similar circumstances. He had had EPM for nearly 10 years which - thanks to my amazing sports vet - we had successfully managed well enough for my horse to be schooling solid PSG. But his vax were done by the barn’s routine vet, who had strict instructions to break up my horse’s vax as he did not tolerate combo vax’s well at all. Sadly, she didn’t adequately supervise her tech one day and my horse was given Vetera Gold right as he was starting to experience an EPM flare (which happened every autumn). His immune system was overwhelmed and we couldn’t control the EPM progression, and he aggravated an old spinal injury at L5-S1 struggling to get up in his stall. He suffered a moderately severe herniated disc and had significantly reduced proprioception in his hind limbs, and since he was in a lot of pain and I feared he would suffer an even more catastrophic injury, we let him go. It was 2-1/2 years ago, and I still cry over him.

[Knights_Mom]

My beloved gelding passed due to EPM at the age of 24. He was still going so nice and sound at the time. He passed in 2018 after 8 months. I thought we had won. He had returned to full soundness. A week later he crashed. And that was it.

I grieve daily still.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@BigMama1

@CurrentlyHorseless

On the original issue as to whether anyone had ever made light of LKs injuries, I now revise my response to refer to this quote, by @GreenWithEnvy, not Eggbutt.

I don’t see how that quote is construed as “making light” of the seriousness of LK’s injuries. The poster isn’t denying LK was shot twice, doesn’t insinuate they were minor injuries, in fact doesn’t really talk about her injuries at all.

All she does is follow up on one of LK’s own comments about successful scores being related to image in dressage. LK is the one who made it publicly known her implant was damaged, so the question about whether she had it fixed

THANK YOU!

I’m seeing all this pearl clutching over some post from 18 months ago (or whenever) that snidely asked LK if she had gotten her implant fixed yet…

Uhhhh… LK admitted on the stand she $hit posts on social media ROUTINELY. She attacked a woman who lost a child to drowning in an absolutely VILE manner.

Yet… we are supposed to clutch pearls over a snide remark about surgery and her implant?

Just a general FYI… As many are aware on these forums because I have posted about it before… I’m a breast cancer survivor. Been through multiple surgeries and two types of reconstruction, including implant swaps, etc. I participated for about three years in a huge online support group (international) of women who were dealing with reconstructions that were in progress (and were living as flat or with a ‘uniboob’), as well as women who had experienced failed reconstruction, or who had opted out of reconstruction. People were VERY blunt, and sometimes salty, when discussing all sorts of issues related to surgery, trying to reconstruct breasts, etc, in that group. It’s just kind of how it goes for many folks after they have these experiences. Surgery is dehumanizing in many ways (I do have sympathy for that aspect of LKs story). Anyway… most women I know from group wouldn’t have even raised an eyebrow at the snarky comment GreenWithEnvy directed at LK. LK was simply reaping what she had sown… no more, no less.

If LK was feeling vulnerable and sensitive about her appearance and implants post op… then she had the option of not talking about this aspect of her experience on social media. But… she didn’t take that option. She chose to publicly talk about every single aspect of her experience and surgeries on social media. So… yeah… she got some snarky comments in response. Oh well. That’s just how that goes…

[eggbutt]

@CurrentlyHorseless and yet you continue to annoy and sidetrack the thread repeatedly.

I will now follow my own advice to you and scroll on by. You have offered nothing but your attempts to provoke. Ciao.

[hut-ho78]

@eggbutt

@CurrentlyHorseless and yet you continue to annoy and sidetrack the thread repeatedly.

I will now follow my own advice to you and scroll on by. You have offered nothing but your attempts to provoke. Ciao.

Attacking post because unable to control the narrative.

[hut-ho78]

@Angela_Freda

@CurrentlyHorseless

my misremembering the author comes from remembering the quote and that it came from “the chief antiLK poster”,

Yep, there’s your problem, labeling people this way.
Maybe read what they write without assuming things about them you can’t know
This isn’t a popularity contest
This case and the events that lead up to it isn’t a game, and no one’s on a “team”.

As opposed to “team Kanarek”? It’s a little late for calling out people for labeling unless you want to call out everyone.

[Warmblood1]

@hut-ho78, what is the point of going through this thread and replying to every post you find mean? If you find the post offensive, flag it to the mods and move on. You are intentionally derailing the thread with constant replies to posts you do not like. That is the entire purpose of flagging.

[hut-ho78]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@erinmeri

This reminds me of that time in a previous Barisone thread that another poster was accused of bullying me but neither of us (myself nor the accused) knew what was being referred to, and the accuser offered no proof. Just an accusation with something along the lines of “I was so appalled when I saw that” and no receipts. If you’re going to lob public accusations, you should at least back them up.

OK. I went back and now “have receipts”.

It was posted on Aug 24, 2021 in the “Court Date for Michael Barisone?” thread. The official post number is #1880, but the counter registers more like #1847.

FitzE accuses you of being “snide”, “juvenilely snarky” and that your post “showed bad faith” and constituted “faux civil discourse”. She said “you do not rate my labor to explain my position” and that you repeated “verbiage I used in a mocking way”. She says that if you don’t want to be accused of being a troll, you shouldn’t act like one.

Your posts leading up to this were completely polite and respectful, and you were apologizing for not having been clear.

So that’s the post. I was appalled. If that barrage of accusations didn’t bother you at all, you have a far thicker skin than I.

@erinmeri your turn to apologize to @CurrentlyHorseless. You have been very rude to her and she has been very civil to you. Now she provided the receipts of @FitzE attacking you. @currentlyhorseless called it vicious. It’s another example of just being mean to me, as were your posts to @CurrentlyHorseless.

[eggbutt]

Oh my, I am so sorry. Vets are human and make mistakes and I get it, but that doesn’t lessen the pain at all. We learned this particular vet knew little about EPM (imagine that) and I had done most of the research about next steps. A paddock mate injured our colt’s hind right hoof bulb playing, requiring significant care. During one of the final vet checks on this hoof and an evaluation of the EPM, the vet was shocked at how well the EPM was becoming under control after several Marquis rounds and Lavamisol (sp?), but decided to help the hoof further, he gave him a large dose of prednisone which was the big mistake. The colt went from almost recovered completely to unable to stand in less than 24 hours. The decision was made to end his fight that morning.

Side note, one thing LK and I have in common is she also had issues with this vet’s treatments! Eventually he left NC under mutual agreement with the practice he was part of. I have no idea if he still practices.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@eggbutt

@CurrentlyHorseless and yet you continue to annoy and sidetrack the thread repeatedly.

I will now follow my own advice to you and scroll on by. You have offered nothing but your attempts to provoke. Ciao.

Eggbutt- I merely answered a direct question posed by you. I now realize that you were merely baiting me, and I should have ignored the question.

[eggbutt]

@hut-ho78

Spiteful nonsense tacky post not on pint enough to be full out mean.

Thread cop is on the scene!

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@hut-ho78

Mean post failing to justify another mean post.

Careful… you’re going to break your pearl necklace with all this nonsense