Barisone Criminal Case Update

[RND]

The hypocrisy, lack of self-awareness, and lack of simple logic expressed by so many here just never ceases to amaze me. You are all really incredible human beings (not parasites - my sincere apologies I was a total meanie and that was wrong of me).

[FitzE]

@Mersidoats

Mounting a full legal assault to make Safe Sport police bullying between adults - who have the means and frontal lobe development to mediate these situations WITHOUT congressional attention - is ridiculous. And frankly, I don’t see how this whole situation seems has anything to do with power imbalances, grooming, manipulation, or physical abuse. It pretty much seems like two people wouldn’t back down and insisted that their way was the right way - with MB’s version of events coming in a few months.

Safe Sport exists to protect those who are vulnerable AND can’t give legal consent. Being bullied as an adult sucks, but that’s why you can file harassment and cyberstalking charges.

I said what I said.

1000 times this! Anyone who would indulge in such an exercise should be deeply, profoundly ashamed of themselves.

But, IM does seem to know, if not EVERYTHING, at least a lot and from several different angles. He says no such suit is being contemplated or prepared and I think we can take him at his word on that, thank goodness.

IM, I believe you are passive-aggressively calling me out with your scumbag reference. I did not call anyone a scumbag. I said, and I here quote:

“Bragging about it* or belittling others who work for their keep is just scumbag territory.”

*For those who weren’t involved, “it” referred to RND using the term"burger flippers" as a stand in for unskilled, unintelligent loser. IM buddied up to RND and doubled down by saying certain posters here weren’t even qualified to flip burgers. I strenuously and in no uncertain terms stated that I think mocking and belittling people for their honest labour is gross, repugnant, disgusting behaviour.

And I 100% stand by that. I think it is even more reprehensible when people who do not work for a living do so.

[eggbutt]

Amen!

[RND]

@FitzE

*For those who weren’t involved, “it” referred to RND using the term"burger flippers" as a stand in for unskilled, unintelligent loser. IM buddied up to RND and doubled down by saying certain posters here weren’t even qualified to flip burgers. I strenuously and in no uncertain terms stated that I think mocking and belittling people for their honest labour is gross, repugnant, disgusting behaviour.

Wow where did this come from??? My “burger flipper” comment was a LONG LONG time ago AND I’m pretty sure the Mod deleted that post and gave me a slap on the wrist for it. I’m a little worried about you that you even remember this it was so long ago. Why in god’s name are you even hanging on to this of all the insults that have been posted in these threads?

[FitzE]

You seem to be having a really hard time keeping up here tonight.

IM brought it back up with his coy reference to “scumbag”. Please read my post again and you will see, I am not the one hanging onto it. He is. I think it’s the second time at least that he’s brought it up. I’m totally cool with it and stand by it. It’s someone else who seems to have an ongoing issue with it.

Perhaps you can take up you hysterical claims of “hanging on” and your (I’m sure) sincere worry about it with him? But, you won’t be doing that now, will you?

[SillyHorse]

@RND

The hypocrisy, lack of self-awareness, and lack of simple logic expressed by so many here just never ceases to amaze me. You are all really incredible human beings (not parasites - my sincere apologies I was a total meanie and that was wrong of me).

Never forget that when you point a finger, three fingers are pointing back at you.

[Scribbler]

@SummerRose

@Scribbler

Lawyers don’t typically take on actions that they deem futile. They are happy to write scary letters and start off actions as a bargaining tactic but they usually are pretty savvy about not actually following through on their threats of they are not very sure of the outcome.

I can’t quite tell what you are referring to with that statement, but if you’re saying that the fact that a defendant has a competent lawyer indicates that they’re probably innocent (or committed the crime but have a likelihood of winning the case), I’m going to disagree with this particular point, at least in terms of criminal defense attorneys.

There are a lot of very good defense attorneys who will eagerly take on cases where the defendant is, in fact, guilty of the offense, so it isn’t possible to determine that someone is innocent just because they have a good attorney. [Edited for clarity - they may very well be innocent. But the fact that they have a good attorney doesn’t indicate either way whether or not they did what they’re being charged with.]

This article describes one defense attorney’s interesting viewpoint on the question of why defense attorneys will represent people in even cases where the evidence of guilt is overwhelming: https://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/Op-Ed/2013/08/04/Why-defense-lawyers-defend-killers-and-rapists/stories/201308040170

I have been a criminal defense lawyer for more than 30 years, first as a public defender and now as a law professor running a criminal defense clinic. My clients have included a young man who gunned down his neighbor in front of her 5-year-old daughter while trying to steal her car, a man who beat a young woman to death for failing to alert drug associates that police were coming and a woman who smothered her baby for no apparent reason. These are the kinds of cases that prompt people to ask: “How can you represent those people?” All criminal defense lawyers are asked this; it’s such a part of the criminal defense experience that it’s simply known as “the question.”

Most of us have a repertoire of stock replies about how the system can’t work without good lawyers on both sides, or the harshness of punishment or the excessive number of people – especially minorities – locked up in this country. Capital-case defenders such as Tsarnaev lawyer Judy Clarke tend to cite their opposition to the death penalty.

But our motivations are usually personal and sometimes difficult to articulate. I often say I was inspired by “To Kill a Mockingbird.” There is no more compelling figure than Atticus Finch defending a wrongly accused poor black man.

Innocence, though, is not a chief driver for me. To the contrary, I often call my life’s work “the guilty project.” Criminal defense is, for the most part, defending the factually guilty – people who have done something wrong, though maybe not exactly what is alleged.

That works for me because, as it happens, I like guilty people. I prefer people who are flawed and complicated to those who are irreproachable. As legendary American lawyer Clarence Darrow put it more than 80 years ago: “Strange as it may seem, I grew to like to defend men and women charged with crime. … I became vitally interested in the causes of human conduct. … I was dealing with life, with its hopes and fears, its aspirations and despairs.”

I was not thinking about defense lawyers in criminal cases. I was thinking about lawyers in civil suites. They will often write threatening letters in disputes like libel, etc in the hope this makes everyone back down and play nice, even if they are also advising their clients that proceeding to a civil suit would be a huge waste of time and money.

On a related note, the stuff attributed to the victim here about wanting to sue SS to force them to arbitrate disputes between adults is an example of grandiosity and grandstanding that I doubt any good lawyer would pursue.

It’s the easiest thing in the world for the barn cranky pants to run around saying “I’m going to sue” over something. It rarely happens.

[Scribbler]

@Knights_Mom

@RND

@eggbutt

Had you read the previous posts you would see Lala implied that in her post on the SS thread.

Snark away.

Someone implied that SCOTUS is going to hear a case about SafeSport and you believe it and repost in another thread? This explains so much - thank you!

No LK thought it could happen and to me it presented as she was suggesting maybe she’d be the one to initiate that endeavor or help it along somehow.

A good example of late night grandiosity.

[RND]

@FitzE

You seem to be having a really hard time keeping up here tonight.

IM brought it back up with his coy reference to “scumbag”. Please read my post again and you will see, I am not the one hanging onto it. He is. I think it’s the second time at least that he’s brought it up. I’m totally cool with it and stand by it. It’s someone else who seems to have an ongoing issue with it.

Perhaps you can take up you hysterical claims of “hanging on” and your (I’m sure) sincere worry about it with him? But, you won’t be doing that now, will you?

You are right it is hard to keep up with who is saying what when you don’t use the quote function. Where did you get the part in your post about me talking about burger flipping, and where did IM refer to it?

Don’t blame me for the fact that you can’t a) properly use the quote function, or b) properly organize your post so that it is clear who you are quoting for which part of your post.

Someone here has continuously made fun of people who don’t use the quote function properly; I hope whoever that is lets you have it too.

[J-Lu]

@Inigo-montoya

Yet you didn’t feel it necessary to scold a poster who called people scumbags nor did you think it necessary to scold Ambitious Kate who repeatedly called LK a monster and blamed her parents for raising her.
Yeah……I think we can ignore you.

I stated openly that I don’t follow these threads, only the more recent one that got shut down and moved to this one. I clearly stated that I don’t know the interpersonal history of people, and can only respond to how others respond to me.

Holy cow, I guess you are an avid LK supporter and from her post to my concern about her giving facts away before the trial which she mocked me about, you agree that I’m so stupid.

Feel free to block me. In fact, please do. Any questions I ask on these threads I want to have answers from non-biased people because I am so new to this situation and havent read any of the previous threads. I don’t know your exact relationship in this situation but you’re clearly very biased. I take note of your response to me as I review these threads and your personal integrity. Thanks for the quick preview! I don’t have lots of time, but I appreciate your time-saving post. Truly, thank you.

[SummerRose]

@Scribbler

It’s the easiest thing in the world for the barn cranky pants to run around saying “I’m going to sue” over something. It rarely happens.

Ah, got it. And yes, I agree wholeheartedly with this. Gotta love the cranky pants! (Not.)

[Moderator_1]

We’re closing the thread so everyone can put their focus elsewhere for a while this holiday season.

As in the past, when there is progress in the case, we can reopen the thread to accommodate further discussion.