Barisone Jury Deliberation

[Sparrowette]

Thanks. I had always thought of the word “paranoid” as relating to unreasonable fear, of something not there. In your example, an older person might be afraid of driving at night, due to eyesight or whatnot, but paranoia would be when someone was afraid of Chupacabra jumping out at them.

[hut-ho78]

@EADoug

@StB.YM

I have to go back and rewatch LK’s testimony, but from my recollection of her testimony vs others was that others might say they didn’t fully remember something or miss a minor detail and have their memory refreshed, while LK would flat out, repeatedly say she didn’t say or do something and the defense would have to show her exactly where she said that.She would then try to deflect the possibility that she was the responsible party when the texts came from her phone. That to me is lying.

As well as deflecting to ‘It must have been when JH stole my phone’…

Which I think most reasonable people will not believe that someone stole her phone on several different occasions to make a specific search, and that search only…

As well as the fact that she never made a fuss about this happening in the 2.5yrs prior. She did not tell police that, she did not tell others that.

Interesting that no one questioned JH about that.

[Angela_Freda]

@MHM

But those cameras were not purposely turned off minutes before the shooting by the person who placed the cameras

Or scrubbed after the fact.

[EADoug]

@hut-ho78

@EADoug

As well as deflecting to ‘It must have been when JH stole my phone’…

Which I think most reasonable people will not believe that someone stole her phone on several different occasions to make a specific search, and that search only…

As well as the fact that she never made a fuss about this happening in the 2.5yrs prior. She did not tell police that, she did not tell others that.

Interesting that no one questioned JH about that.

Maybe because it never happened?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@MHM

@CurrentlyHorseless

CoTH-fact - a statement which is bandied about as true, when there is no factual basis other than it was asserted in a post by an anonymous poster, then repeated by at least 6 other anonymous posters.

How does that differ from your statements based on the “movies you see in your head,” or whatever the phrase was? That two or three other posters might agree on?

The movie in my head represents my opinion and perception. I’ve never asserted it as fact.

[Sdel]

I do.

If I recall, where the audio cut out, they were discussing the idea of transcript first and depending on what was said, the judge would consider playing the recording…

The defense wanted to use that same recording for ED but wasn’t allowed. My guess is, they actually did discuss illegal recordings, and ED was in shock that the defense had that particular recording, because that could get him in big trouble…

[FitzE]

Really? Stupid cockroaches is calling people out on drama? That’s scorched earth lashing out at an entire group of people.

Or were you brought up that that’s how you call people out on their nonsense. We don’t do it that way where I’m from.

I know, I know

I’ll let it go. I know they are just having a go at me for sport and I shouldn’t rise to the bait.

[hut-ho78]

@Sdel

@CurrentlyHorseless

Yes! She has admitted to lying in her taunting SM posts!

That is not the same thing as lying under oath and perjury.

Do you realize that your posts come across as co-dependent? You go so far out of your way to justify every action for LK (separate and apart from “being shot”) it just smells bad…

It seriously reminds me of the behavior of women who are so abused they go out of their way to justify how their abuse is ok, even deserved…

More amateur self proclaimed mental health experts. Ugh.

[hut-ho78]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@MHM

@CurrentlyHorseless

I don’t see any evidence she committed perjury.

shocker. not.

@Virginia_Horse_Mom is the only poster who has even bothered to identify the nature of her supposed perjury. Everyone else is acting like it’s an undisputed fact that she committed perjury.

Unless it’s established that she placed bugs in places other than the locker, and unless she said specifically on the stand that she did not, it is not established that she committed perjury.

But it’s standard CoTH procedure to treat it as a CoTH-fact that she has committed perjury.

CoTH-fact - a statement which is bandied about as true, when there is no factual basis other than it was asserted in a post by an anonymous poster, then repeated by at least 6 other anonymous posters.

This!

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@EADoug

@hut-ho78

@EADoug

As well as deflecting to ‘It must have been when JH stole my phone’…

Which I think most reasonable people will not believe that someone stole her phone on several different occasions to make a specific search, and that search only…

As well as the fact that she never made a fuss about this happening in the 2.5yrs prior. She did not tell police that, she did not tell others that.

Interesting that no one questioned JH about that.

Maybe because it never happened?

On the other hand, if it hadn’t happened, wouldn’t Bilinkas have pursued it with JH in order to impeach LK?

[Knights_Mom]

"Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus"

False in one thing, false in everything

[hut-ho78]

@Angela_Freda

@MHM

I don’t recall who else may have mentioned finding the bugs.

Tarshus

Still did not find any in the private areas.

[Sdel]

@EADoug

Which I think most reasonable people will not believe that someone stole her phone on several different occasions to make a specific search, and that search only…

I don’t think she thought of how to explain it away until right before the trial. Remember her last edit had a whole section about how she thought there was a mole at SS (and that SS absolutely couldn’t have called CPS based on her report)….but really it was MB calling CPS on himself to further his murder plot.

[Rhythm_Pace_Impulsion]

There is an abundance of deflection, denial & obfuscation with some.

[Angela_Freda]

@trubandloki

Doesn’t this make you wonder how often Bob took the phone of someone else to do things on it?

Exactly

[MHM]

@"ekat

I think they ended up settling on reading that specific portion of the transcript of said recording where RG implied that there were more locations than Bob’s locker or their pockets. I started to look but I have other things going on too.

I don’t remember that specific part of RG‘s testimony.

But I remember they had multiple witnesses who testified that their private conversations appeared on LK’s social media posts, word for word, when there was no possible way the conversations could have been recorded from a device in LK’s locker, based on the distance involved.

As mentioned by a previous poster, there is a point when it is just not worth the time investment to track down the facts to convince someone who will still remain unconvinced, no matter what.

Hence the shorthand reminder:

[Knights_Mom]

@Sparrowette

Thanks. I had always thought of the word “paranoid” as relating to unreasonable fear, of something not there. In your example, an older person might be afraid of driving at night, due to eyesight or whatnot, but paranoia would be when someone was afraid of Chupacabra jumping out at them.

I take it as you can be paranoid and you can also be unduly paranoid.

You can wash your hands often because you’re paranoid about germs. You can also scrub your skin raw for the same reason.

It’s all a matter of degrees of paranoia.

[Sdel]

@CurrentlyHorseless

On the other hand, if it hadn’t happened, wouldn’t Bilinkas have pursued it with JH in order to impeach LK?

JH was a prosecution witness. Prosecution didn’t bring it up, so no way for the defense to.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

Am I the only one who thinks that “LK didn’t lie on the stand!” is a VERY odd hill to die on?

@CurrentlyHorseless and @hut-ho78 - you both have made multiple smart points as various issues have been debated on these forums. I have argued with you both, and clearly see the situation differently than you both… but… at times you both have made smart points.

But seriously? You guys are SERIOUSLY trying to argue LK told the truth on the stand?

C’mon. This is just getting silly. Let’s move the discussion forward.

[hut-ho78]

@EADoug

@hut-ho78

@EADoug

As well as deflecting to ‘It must have been when JH stole my phone’…

Which I think most reasonable people will not believe that someone stole her phone on several different occasions to make a specific search, and that search only…

As well as the fact that she never made a fuss about this happening in the 2.5yrs prior. She did not tell police that, she did not tell others that.

Interesting that no one questioned JH about that.

Maybe because it never happened?

Or he would have to admit to taking the phone?