Barisone Jury Deliberation

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@FitzE

Really? Stupid cockroaches is calling people out on drama? That’s scorched earth lashing out at an entire group of people.

Or were you brought up that that’s how you call people out on their nonsense. We don’t do it that way where I’m from.

I know, I know

I’ll let it go. I know they are just having a go at me for sport and I shouldn’t rise to the bait.

LOL. In other threads, I was terrified at the way you came at @Erinmeri, @RND, and later at me.

You’ve been very admirably civil in this thread, but I don’t think it’s because viciousness is just not how you do it “where you’re from”, or because of “how you were raised.”

[Sdel]

@hut-ho78

Interesting that no one questioned JH about that.

Maybe because it never happened?
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Or he would have to admit to taking the phone?
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This is such a silly line of feigned arguing. If Jh had really stolen the phone, that would have only bolstered the state’s case, so it isn’t likely to have been something the prosecution would leave out.

If they didn’t ask, it’s because it was never brought up to them, probably because LK didn’t think to feed that lie to the prosecution at the time, only a month or so before the trial. Unlike the lies she did think to feed, such as insinuating the insurance fraud and the corruption in the USEF.

ETA: I do think LK testified to having approached the insurance adjuster about fraud….and the adjuster testified that he’d never talked to anyone about it other than MB.

[Knights_Mom]

The irony here is that the more its posted about LK being a good guy or not lying or being just a perfect little buttercup, those very same posts convince people more and more as to how untenable this situation was to endure for MB and those at Hawthorne Hill and how dislocated from reality that “other side” truly is.

[MHM]

@Knights_Mom

I take it as you can be paranoid and you can also be unduly paranoid.

You can wash your hands often because you’re paranoid about germs. You can also scrub your skin raw for the same reason.

It’s all a matter of degrees of paranoia.

It can also be a matter of circumstance.

The amount of handwashing that might seem reasonable could vary widely based on whether you were in the middle of a global pandemic, for example.

So the amount of handwashing that might have seemed ridiculous in March 2019 could seem completely rational a year later in March 2020 when Covid first hit and nobody knew yet exactly how it was transmitted.

Ditto for being in a different situation that is completely unprecedented in your experience and thus impossible to predict what might happen next.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Sdel

@CurrentlyHorseless

On the other hand, if it hadn’t happened, wouldn’t Bilinkas have pursued it with JH in order to impeach LK?

JH was a prosecution witness. Prosecution didn’t bring it up, so no way for the defense to.

I think Bilinkas could have brought it up on cross.

[smoofox]

@CanteringCarrot

Sometimes people confuse justification vs explanation and/or reasoning (which doesn’t mean it makes sense or is right).

Sure, sometimes people are justifying, but not always and not all posters. A vast majority are just trying to wrap their head around it all.

THIS. A thousand times THIS. It is frustrating to still read - after all these threads - that MB is somebody’s hero or that anyone who is not ga-ga over La-La is an MB fan. Cantering Carrot explained it well - but various posters have explained it throughout these threads to no avail. Apparently if you dare to discuss and puzzle over issues that do not agree with the views of a select few, you must adore MB. Complete BS.

@iberianfan

Something just came to me about why some of us feel one way, and others not. Most of us here that hope for justice for MB have never met the man. But what became clear to us is that he made some very unfortunate mistakes. Nothing LK, RG, JK did was by mistake. It was planned and plotted and evil.

Agreed.

@McGurk

@Rowdy

I know you probably wish he had killed LK and RG,

You know this how?

That is a very odd thing to ascribe to someone.

More than odd - it is bizarre and revolting. What complete nonsense. Rowdy, how did you come to that particular insightful observation? Kindly link to the multitude of posts stating that.

@ToN_Farm

@Rowdy

So, yes, I think RC is definitely past her prime.

Why is this being said? What do you mean by that? Is it a dig as us older gals meaning we are incompetent?

Well, I am older now - so I guess that I am past my prime and incompetent. Kindly inform my BO of that - and she can fire me so I do not have this 24/7 job anymore and someone younger with far l ess experience and zero knowledge of these horses can take over.

Reading this thread this morning has pushed many of my buttons - and after a sleepless night nursing a geriatric mare through a colic, my buttons are touchy.

@hut-ho78

Rowdy’s contributions add more depth to the discussion.

Every poster’s comments add depth to the conversation - but most of us do not delight in insults, sneers etc. When posters can manage to control their need to do that, their posts are far more interesting and contribute far more. I find it sad that LK-style (milder version without the screaming caps) posting is admired and applauded.

@hut-ho78

She didn’t perjure herself on the stand. She was very careful not to. She said she lied/embellished on social media.

There are two courts-the real one and the bash LK one here.

Well, someone lied on the stand. Her and RG’s accounts did not match. She hemmed and hawed her way through questions. Claiming that someone else “stole” her phone to look up things on the internet is the kind of lame lie I would have come up with as a kid when trying to CMA - and it fooled no one.

The poster who has done the the most serious LK bashing here - has been LK herself. She has done herself far more harm with her own posts here… and she delighted in doing so - here, on FB - anywhere she had a stage and a platform. That is not bashing - that is an observation and opinion. As in…

@Sdel

I just want to point out, LK herself, on SM was taunting them about not having found her recorders quickly enough.

… but we are supposed to ignore things like that, I guess.

[MHM]

@Knights_Mom

I refuse to spend my time doing an accounting for someone who won’t acknowledge a thing and will just excuse it away.

Excellent point.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@FitzE

Really? Stupid cockroaches is calling people out on drama? That’s scorched earth lashing out at an entire group of people.

Or were you brought up that that’s how you call people out on their nonsense. We don’t do it that way where I’m from.

I know, I know

I’ll let it go. I know they are just having a go at me for sport and I shouldn’t rise to the bait.

LOL. In other threads, I was terrified at the way you came at @Erinmeri, @RND, and later at me.

You’ve been very admirably civil in this thread, but I don’t think it’s because viciousness is just not how you do it “where you’re from”, or because of “how you were raised.”

Yeah you’re all victimy n stuff

[FitzE]

@Sdel

ED was in shock that the defense had that particular recording, because that could get him in big trouble…

Yep, I bet he’s really nervous about that now. And he should be.

Was there a single honest, upstanding person connected to the LK/RG side of this whole thing? Like, even one?

[Djones]

I’m going to run errands and get some fresh air. I suggest many of you do the same.

Oh, you’re at work? You sure about that?

[Knights_Mom]

@FitzE

@Sdel

ED was in shock that the defense had that particular recording, because that could get him in big trouble…

Yep, I bet he’s really nervous about that now. And he should be.

Was there a single honest, upstanding person connected to the LK/RG side of this whole thing? Like, even one?

Not a one.

[trubandloki]

@hut-ho78

@EADoug

@hut-ho78

@EADoug

As well as deflecting to ‘It must have been when JH stole my phone’…

Which I think most reasonable people will not believe that someone stole her phone on several different occasions to make a specific search, and that search only…

As well as the fact that she never made a fuss about this happening in the 2.5yrs prior. She did not tell police that, she did not tell others that.

Interesting that no one questioned JH about that.

Maybe because it never happened?

Or he would have to admit to taking the phone?

He was a prosecution witness. JH taking the phone and doing the search, not Bob doing it on their own phone, would have helped the prosecution. So if that actually happened I would think that the prosecutor would have brought it up with JH instead of sweeping the whole thing under the rug and hoping the jury did not notice that fabrication.

[RND]

@Knights_Mom

The irony here is that the more its posted about LK being a good guy or not lying or being just a perfect little buttercup,

Who specifically on this forum has said this about LK?

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@FitzE

@Sdel

ED was in shock that the defense had that particular recording, because that could get him in big trouble…

Yep, I bet he’s really nervous about that now. And he should be.

COMPLETELY agree!

And remember… co-counsel on the defense side is MBs civil attorney. If that civil case goes forward? Oh boy. I think that recording from the day RG sat in on a meeting with JK, LK and ED is going to become a VERY big deal.

Because remember… ED also testified during this trial that RG was NOT his client. It was crystal clear. JK hired ED to represent LK, and ONLY LK.

So guess what? Bye bye privileged conversation.

Not good for ED. Not good at all.

[MHM]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I think Bilinkas could have brought it up on cross.

JH testified before LK. So there was no way for Mr. B to question JH about something that LK had not said on the stand yet.

[chancellor2]

@hut-ho78

Annihilated Dr Hasson’s points. The prosecutor had Dr Simring’s report for lunch. Examples. Two dog bites to the eye instead of thigh. Used at least one FB message for diagnosis of MB’s mental state received after the shooting. Gun belonged to MHG, not RC.

That actually sounds more like a transcription error. Eye/ thigh?

[Maude]

She actually works in family practice.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

Am I the only one who thinks that “LK didn’t lie on the stand!” is a VERY odd hill to die on?

@CurrentlyHorseless and @hut-ho78 - you both have made multiple smart points as various issues have been debated on these forums. I have argued with you both, and clearly see the situation differently than you both… but… at times you both have made smart points.

But seriously? You guys are SERIOUSLY trying to argue LK told the truth on the stand?

C’mon. This is just getting silly. Let’s move the discussion forward.

I’m saying that it has not been established that she committed perjury, and it is a very standard CoTH tactic to assert that she has committed perjury without substantiation, or even bothering to identify the specific statement in which she supposedly committed perjury.

Several posters brought up “inconsistencies” and her needing to have her memory refreshed, or lying on SM but none of those things is perjury.

You’re the only one who bothered to even identify a specific false statement under oath. But when I point out that the contradiction - that bugs were found in places other than her locker- is not in evidence, your response seems to be “Oh, come on, everyone knows that!”

Move the discussion forward? When has the discussion ever moved forward?

[Angela_Freda]

@MHM

But I remember they had multiple witnesses who testified that their private conversations appeared on LK’s social media posts, word for word, when there was no possible way the conversations could have been recorded from a device in LK’s locker, based on the distance involved

Tarshus

[Ghazzu]

@hut-ho78

Annihilated Dr Hasson’s points. The prosecutor had Dr Simring’s report for lunch.

Clearly you use a different dictionary than I.