Barisone Jury Deliberation

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

Am I the only one who thinks that “LK didn’t lie on the stand!” is a VERY odd hill to die on?

@CurrentlyHorseless and @hut-ho78 - you both have made multiple smart points as various issues have been debated on these forums. I have argued with you both, and clearly see the situation differently than you both… but… at times you both have made smart points.

But seriously? You guys are SERIOUSLY trying to argue LK told the truth on the stand?

C’mon. This is just getting silly. Let’s move the discussion forward.

I’m saying that it has not been established that she committed perjury, and it is a very standard CoTH tactic to assert that she has committed perjury without substantiation, or even bothering to identify the specific statement in which she supposedly committed perjury.

Several posters brought up “inconsistencies” and her needing to have her memory refreshed, or lying on SM but none of those things is perjury.

You’re the only one who bothered to even identify a specific false statement under oath. But when I point out that the contradiction - that bugs were found in places other than her locker- is not in evidence, your response seems to be “Oh, come on, everyone knows that!”

Move the discussion forward? When has the discussion ever moved forward?

Exhibit A.

LK being impeached isn’t enough. This poster won’t admit a thing until such time as the Prosecutor charges his own witness with perjury.

Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus.

[smoofox]

@trubandloki

He was a prosecution witness. JH taking the phone and doing the search, not Bob doing it on their own phone, would have helped the prosecution. So if that actually happened I would think that the prosecutor would have brought it up with JH instead of sweeping the whole thing under the rug and hoping the jury did not notice that fabrication.

Exactly right. It would have been presented front and center as evidence of LK being misunderstood or set up or whatever. Instead, it was swept to the side as quickly as possible.

@MHM

@CurrentlyHorseless

I think Bilinkas could have brought it up on cross.

JH testified before LK. So there was no way for Mr. B to question JH about something that LK had not said on the stand yet.

Correct.

The “JH stole my phone to look those things up” is reminiscent of NP saying his “friend” made a disgusting FB page in his name… or his agent said that, not him… or he was always getting hacked and being set up by evil-doers sitting in their mom’s basements as he would never say such a thing… etc. etc.

[Angela_Freda]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

co-counsel on the defense side is MBs civil attorney

Deininger?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@smoofox

@CanteringCarrot

Sometimes people confuse justification vs explanation and/or reasoning (which doesn’t mean it makes sense or is right).

Sure, sometimes people are justifying, but not always and not all posters. A vast majority are just trying to wrap their head around it all.

THIS. A thousand times THIS. It is frustrating to still read - after all these threads - that MB is somebody’s hero or that anyone who is not ga-ga over La-La is an MB fan. Cantering Carrot explained it well - but various posters have explained it throughout these threads to no avail. Apparently if you dare to discuss and puzzle over issues that do not agree with the views of a select few, you must adore MB. Complete BS.

@iberianfan

Something just came to me about why some of us feel one way, and others not. Most of us here that hope for justice for MB have never met the man. But what became clear to us is that he made some very unfortunate mistakes. Nothing LK, RG, JK did was by mistake. It was planned and plotted and evil.

Agreed.

@McGurk

@Rowdy

I know you probably wish he had killed LK and RG,

You know this how?

That is a very odd thing to ascribe to someone.

More than odd - it is bizarre and revolting. What complete nonsense. Rowdy, how did you come to that particular insightful observation? Kindly link to the multitude of posts stating that.

@ToN_Farm

@Rowdy

So, yes, I think RC is definitely past her prime.

Why is this being said? What do you mean by that? Is it a dig as us older gals meaning we are incompetent?

Well, I am older now - so I guess that I am past my prime and incompetent. Kindly inform my BO of that - and she can fire me so I do not have this 24/7 job anymore and someone younger with far l ess experience and zero knowledge of these horses can take over.

Reading this thread this morning has pushed many of my buttons - and after a sleepless night nursing a geriatric mare through a colic, my buttons are touchy.

@hut-ho78

Rowdy’s contributions add more depth to the discussion.

Every poster’s comments add depth to the conversation - but most of us do not delight in insults, sneers etc. When posters can manage to control their need to do that, their posts are far more interesting and contribute far more. I find it sad that LK-style (milder version without the screaming caps) posting is admired and applauded.

@hut-ho78

She didn’t perjure herself on the stand. She was very careful not to. She said she lied/embellished on social media.

There are two courts-the real one and the bash LK one here.

Well, someone lied on the stand. Her and RG’s accounts did not match. She hemmed and hawed her way through questions. Claiming that someone else “stole” her phone to look up things on the internet is the kind of lame lie I would have come up with as a kid when trying to CMA - and it fooled no one.

The poster who has done the the most serious LK bashing here - has been LK herself. She has done herself far more harm with her own posts here… and she delighted in doing so - here, on FB - anywhere she had a stage and a platform. That is not bashing - that is an observation and opinion. As in…

@Sdel

I just want to point out, LK herself, on SM was taunting them about not having found her recorders quickly enough.

… but we are supposed to ignore things like that, I guess.

Re bolded. That’s my point. Minor differences in recollection between two people involved in a traumatic shooting is not perjury. Especially when one of them nearly bled out and was in a coma.

The fact that you would note that as evidence of perjury indicates you don’t know what perjury is.

[Sdel]

@Angela_Freda

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

co-counsel on the defense side is MBs civil attorney

Deininger?

Yes. He is handling both the LK suit and the police suit for MB.

[fordtraktor]

@Djones

I’m going to run errands and get some fresh air. I suggest many of you do the same.

Oh, you’re at work? You sure about that?

We aren’t all hovering around the computer all day. I’ve done chores for 13 equines and had a lesson with my trainer. In for a spot of lunch and catching up. Implying that you can’t post on here and still do actual work is a weird flex for someone who posts on here…

[DownYonder]

@FitzE

Was there a single honest, upstanding person connected to the LK/RG side of this whole thing? Like, even one?

I am getting the sneaking suspicion that some posters here are an indication that Klan Kanarek is continuing to circle the wagons to protect Daughter Dearest.

[Angela_Freda]

Oh, I like him!
I like Bilinkis more after watching the Vertitas case

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@trubandloki

@hut-ho78

@EADoug

@hut-ho78

@EADoug

As well as deflecting to ‘It must have been when JH stole my phone’…

Which I think most reasonable people will not believe that someone stole her phone on several different occasions to make a specific search, and that search only…

As well as the fact that she never made a fuss about this happening in the 2.5yrs prior. She did not tell police that, she did not tell others that.

Interesting that no one questioned JH about that.

Maybe because it never happened?

Or he would have to admit to taking the phone?

He was a prosecution witness. JH taking the phone and doing the search, not Bob doing it on their own phone, would have helped the prosecution. So if that actually happened I would think that the prosecutor would have brought it up with JH instead of sweeping the whole thing under the rug and hoping the jury did not notice that fabrication.

The prosecution called the central players to get their testimony. However, JH, MHG, were more sympathetic to the defense in the substance of their testimony. I don’t see why Bilinkas would have missed the opportunity to impeach LK by asking JH about the phone if LK statement could have been contradicted by JH.

[smoofox]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Re bolded. That’s my point. Minor differences in recollection between two people involved in a traumatic shooting is not perjury. Especially when one of them nearly bled out and was in a coma.

The fact that you would vote that as evidence of perjury indicates you don’t know what perjury is.

Wrong. I do know what it is. I did not “vote” anything. There was more than one example and her body language was a bit off at times… but there were multiple examples of things she said that were also… off. Like the “JH stole my phone!” claims. She and RG have had a long time to get their stories straight and in sync/lined up after the fact… and yet they could not even manage to accomplish that after all this time.

RG and LK did the prosecution no favors with their time on the stand.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

Am I the only one who thinks that “LK didn’t lie on the stand!” is a VERY odd hill to die on?

@CurrentlyHorseless and @hut-ho78 - you both have made multiple smart points as various issues have been debated on these forums. I have argued with you both, and clearly see the situation differently than you both… but… at times you both have made smart points.

But seriously? You guys are SERIOUSLY trying to argue LK told the truth on the stand?

C’mon. This is just getting silly. Let’s move the discussion forward.

I’m saying that it has not been established that she committed perjury, and it is a very standard CoTH tactic to assert that she has committed perjury without substantiation, or even bothering to identify the specific statement in which she supposedly committed perjury.

Several posters brought up “inconsistencies” and her needing to have her memory refreshed, or lying on SM but none of those things is perjury.

You’re the only one who bothered to even identify a specific false statement under oath. But when I point out that the contradiction - that bugs were found in places other than her locker- is not in evidence, your response seems to be “Oh, come on, everyone knows that!”

Move the discussion forward? When has the discussion ever moved forward?

Exhibit A.

LK being impeached isn’t enough. This poster won’t admit a thing until such time as the Prosecutor charges his own witness with perjury.

Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus.

We agree. Having your testimony “impeached” is not the same as perjury.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@DownYonder

I am getting the sneaking suspicion that some posters here are an indication that Klan Kanarek is continuing to circle the wagons to protect Daughter Dearest.

I am too.

But… is Klan Kanarek allowing Daughter Dearest to stay under the same roof with them while they all wait on this verdict?

Inquiring minds want to know.

My money is that Klan Kanarek is sitting in the courtroom, with Mother Dearest lovingly placing a comforting arm around Daughter Dearest (per Nancy Jaffer’s article)… but then … as soon as they leave for the day… off to the hotel Daughter Dearest goes…

Because per records from the civil suit, they have banned their own daughter from staying under the same roof as the rest of the family.

[ekat]

And the boarder lady who’s name escapes me.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

Am I the only one who thinks that “LK didn’t lie on the stand!” is a VERY odd hill to die on?

@CurrentlyHorseless and @hut-ho78 - you both have made multiple smart points as various issues have been debated on these forums. I have argued with you both, and clearly see the situation differently than you both… but… at times you both have made smart points.

But seriously? You guys are SERIOUSLY trying to argue LK told the truth on the stand?

C’mon. This is just getting silly. Let’s move the discussion forward.

I’m saying that it has not been established that she committed perjury, and it is a very standard CoTH tactic to assert that she has committed perjury without substantiation, or even bothering to identify the specific statement in which she supposedly committed perjury.

Several posters brought up “inconsistencies” and her needing to have her memory refreshed, or lying on SM but none of those things is perjury.

You’re the only one who bothered to even identify a specific false statement under oath. But when I point out that the contradiction - that bugs were found in places other than her locker- is not in evidence, your response seems to be “Oh, come on, everyone knows that!”

Move the discussion forward? When has the discussion ever moved forward?

Exhibit A.

LK being impeached isn’t enough. This poster won’t admit a thing until such time as the Prosecutor charges his own witness with perjury.

Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus.

We agree. Having your testimony “impeached” is not the same as perjury.

And you’re demanding the prosecution charge their own witness with perjury in order for you to belive she lied on the stand.

It just doesn’t get any more disingenuous than that.

And it’s a slithering tactic to embrace.

[DreadPirateRoberts]

@Knights_Mom

Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus.

Right down to the eyelashes.

[KurPlexed]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Bilinkas would have missed the opportunity to impeach LK by asking JH about the phone if LK statement could have been contradicted by JH

Bc her claims of stolen phones were absolutely ridiculous and everyone could see right thru that. No need to bring him back to refute it.

[chancellor2]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

My money is that Klan Kanarek is sitting in the courtroom, with Mother Dearest lovingly placing a comforting arm around Daughter Dearest (per Nancy Jaffer’s article)… but then … as soon as they leave for the day… off to the hotel Daughter Dearest goes…

I was once a supporter of a boyfriend who was at trial for something I don’t care to disclose. My boyfriend’s lawyer told us under no circumstances should the jury EVER see us arguing or even having a heated discussion. Appearance is soooooo important

[Scribbler]

@eggbutt

Question to ponder - what will Lauren jump to when USEF bans her?

Saddle seat where you can leave your horses at a full board barn in another state and just turn up once a week to show.

We had a very odd poster for a while that ended up banned, who did this. Lady Something or other who was giving us TMI about her swinging and dominatrix lifestyle on unrelated threads.

[DreadPirateRoberts]

@smoofox

Reading this thread this morning has pushed many of my buttons - and after a sleepless night nursing a geriatric mare through a colic, my buttons are touchy.

I hope the mare is doing o.k. and you are able to get some rest.

[MHM]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I don’t see why Bilinkas would have missed the opportunity to impeach LK by asking JH about the phone if LK statement could have been contradicted by JH.

JH testified before LK.

Mr. B could not ask JH about a statement LK had not made yet.

Mr. B also could not ask JH about anything on cross examination other than subjects that had already been raised with JH by the prosecutor.