Barisone Jury Deliberation

[ekat]

He would have had to recall JH back as his witness on direct, as that statement wasn’t in evidence when JH a was on the stand. Probably he decided it wasn’t worth it to fly that guy back from Florida to say, nope, never stole her phone, twice on separate occasions.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@smoofox

@CurrentlyHorseless

Re bolded. That’s my point. Minor differences in recollection between two people involved in a traumatic shooting is not perjury. Especially when one of them nearly bled out and was in a coma.

The fact that you would vote that as evidence of perjury indicates you don’t know what perjury is.

Wrong. I do know what it is. I did not “vote” anything. There was more than one example and her body language was a bit off at times… but there were multiple examples of things she said that were also… off. Like the “JH stole my phone!” claims. She and RG have had a long time to get their stories straight and in sync/lined up after the fact… and yet they could not even manage to accomplish that after all this time.

RG and LK did the prosecution no favors with their time on the stand.

Well, if you know what perjury is you know that it’s not body language that’s a little off!

If the prosecution had rehearsed cyber testimony of LK and RG to make sure any honest discrepancies had been smoothed out, that process would have been an act of dishonesty prejudicial to Barisone.

I think what was presented on the stand, complete with the typical faulty recall of eye witnesses was honest; carefully rehearsed testimony would have been less honest, even if more effective for the prosecution.

[MHM]

@DreadPirateRoberts

@smoofox

Reading this thread this morning has pushed many of my buttons - and after a sleepless night nursing a geriatric mare through a colic, my buttons are touchy.

I hope the mare is doing o.k. and you are able to get some rest.

Ditto.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@caffeinated

I swear I heard the prosecutor say something similar to this when trying to discount the diagnosis of delusions. Did a double take at that…

Oh, that’s right, I did do a jaw drop when he said that. I wonder if the Jury caught that. I would be surprised if they didn’t

[smoofox]

@MHM

@CurrentlyHorseless

I don’t see why Bilinkas would have missed the opportunity to impeach LK by asking JH about the phone if LK statement could have been contradicted by JH.

JH testified before LK.

Mr. B could not ask JH about a statement LK had not made yet.

Mr. B also could not ask JH about anything on cross examination other than subjects that had already been raised with JH by the prosecutor.

Yeah - funny how all that works - and how dare it not line up with what a few posters think should have happened.

Thanks, @DreadPirateRoberts - she is better this morning… but I think we are inching into the final downhill run for this 30 yr. old blind gal.

[MHM]

@Scribbler

@eggbutt

Question to ponder - what will Lauren jump to when USEF bans her?

Saddle seat where you can leave your horses at a full board barn in another state and just turn up once a week to show.

There are plenty of people who use that same approach to show hunters, jumpers, and equitation.

Speaking of which. Saddle seat is definitely listed under USEF rules in the rulebook. So that might be a little bit of an inaccurate blanket statement.

[Syrynx]

@smoofox

but I think we are inching into the final downhill run for this 30 yr. old blind gal.

Oh I’m so sorry to hear that.

[MHM]

@ekat

Probably he decided it wasn’t worth it to fly that guy back from Florida to say, nope, never stole her phone, twice on separate occasions.

No, it’s not as if there was any shortage of material to demonstrate her truthfulness. Or lack thereof.

[Djones]

@fordtraktor

In for a spot of lunch and catching up. Implying that you can’t post on here and still do actual work is a weird flex for someone who posts on here…

If the shoe doesn’t fit, there’s no need to wear it around and post complain it doesn’t fit

[MHM]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I think what was presented on the stand, complete with the typical faulty recall of eye witnesses was honest; carefully rehearsed testimony would have been less honest, even if more effective for the prosecution.

Well, you can think whatever you like. Others may think something very different.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

Am I the only one who thinks that “LK didn’t lie on the stand!” is a VERY odd hill to die on?

@CurrentlyHorseless and @hut-ho78 - you both have made multiple smart points as various issues have been debated on these forums. I have argued with you both, and clearly see the situation differently than you both… but… at times you both have made smart points.

But seriously? You guys are SERIOUSLY trying to argue LK told the truth on the stand?

C’mon. This is just getting silly. Let’s move the discussion forward.

I’m saying that it has not been established that she committed perjury, and it is a very standard CoTH tactic to assert that she has committed perjury without substantiation, or even bothering to identify the specific statement in which she supposedly committed perjury.

Several posters brought up “inconsistencies” and her needing to have her memory refreshed, or lying on SM but none of those things is perjury.

You’re the only one who bothered to even identify a specific false statement under oath. But when I point out that the contradiction - that bugs were found in places other than her locker- is not in evidence, your response seems to be “Oh, come on, everyone knows that!”

Move the discussion forward? When has the discussion ever moved forward?

Exhibit A.

LK being impeached isn’t enough. This poster won’t admit a thing until such time as the Prosecutor charges his own witness with perjury.

Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus.

We agree. Having your testimony “impeached” is not the same as perjury.

And you’re demanding the prosecution charge their own witness with perjury in order for you to belive she lied on the stand.

It just doesn’t get any more disingenuous than that.

And it’s a slithering tactic to embrace.

No, I’m not demanding the prosecution charge her with perjury before I think she lied on the stand.

I want to see evidence that contradicts what she said on the stand.

[Fat_Dinah]

I think the same, that a totally consistent perfect testimony about the shooting would tell me it was a made-up rehearsed story. It’s why real-life trials aren’t the same as scripted TV shows and movie s.
Real life has people forgetting, making mistakes, misstating and then correcting and elaborating.
There is a very high bar for perjury, it has not happened in this trial.

[Bogey2]

I remember her! She was from north of Boston…

[smoofox]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Well, if you know what perjury is you know that it’s not body language that’s a little off!

If the prosecution had rehearsed cyber testimony of LK and RG to make sure any honest discrepancies had been smoothed out, that process would have been an act of dishonesty prejudicial to Barisone.

I think what was presented on the stand, complete with the typical faulty recall of eye witnesses was honest; carefully rehearsed testimony would have been less honest, even if more effective for the prosecution.

It was not completely honest. Body language often betrays what is coming out of one’s mouth - even if it does not meet the legal definition of perjury. Why do you always assume that everyone else is stupid or ignorant?

But I keep forgetting that I am but a cockroach…

The prosecution did not rehearse anything. LK and RG have been rehashing these events on their own since it happened - one would think they would have at least have come close to agreeing about the events even from their different perspectives - even with the inevitable correcting, misspeaking etc. that we all do. LK offered differing “details” on SM repeatedly… suggesting that what she said on the stand was just the latest version of more SM posts. And we know what she said about her SM posts. She set that standard. No one else.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

Huh. What’s happening? Is this outside the N.J. courthouse?

[Syrynx]

No, this is the lady who’d reporting on Johnny Depp’s trial. I think we have to switch.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

I was wondering if this was Depp again.

Ugggh.

[MHM]

@Syrynx

No, this is the lady who’d reporting on Johnny Depp’s trial. I think we have to switch.

Very inconsiderate of Johnny Depp to have his trial happen when it is making it harder to follow this trial. Lol.

[ake987]

Same thing as yesterday - went to reporter and then stopped (replays a few seconds).

[Ghazzu]

@MHM

There are plenty of people who use that same approach to show hunters, jumpers, and equitation.

Speaking of which. Saddle seat is definitely listed under USEF rules in the rulebook. So that might be a little bit of an inaccurate blanket statement.

She could break into the Big Lick world with a few TWH.