Barisone/Kanarek Legal Filings (Public Record)

[YankeeDuchess]

@LilRanger

YD, I’m taking you at your word: if you genuinely did not understand that sign off, then it explains a lot about how and why you are posting as you are.

Peace out

I genuinely did not understand what she meant by
”reap what she sowed”. It automatically rang a bell for me that the people I consider victim blamers of LK say things along the lines of her “reaping what she sowed”. If you explain it to me and I was wrong, I am happy to apologize.

[LilRanger]

@YankeeDuchess

I genuinely did not understand what she meant by
”reap what she sowed”. It automatically rang a bell for me that the people I consider victim blamers of LK say things along the lines of her “reaping what she sowed”. If you explain it to me and I was wrong, I am happy to apologize.

I can’t explain it to you, Ibecause i don’t have that skill set. 'm sorry you don’t understand.

[Omgitsme]

@YankeeDuchess

I understand girls and women are being told that in order avoid putting themselves at risk for rape, they should not wear overly sexy clothes, not be so drunk that they lose control of the situation, etc.

I was saying that 40 years ago, after the fact of a rape, arguments would be made in court regarding provocative clothes, provocative behavior, and sexual behavior in order to blame the victim. Are you saying that explicit excuses for rape, after the rape occurred, are still bring made in court along those lines?

So are you saying that you reaped what you sowed and were raped and you think you should be blamed for your own rape (reaped what you sowed)? Genuine question.

Of course that excuse still happens in court. You can’t be that naive. I never reported my rape because not only did I not have evidence, I walked into the home of my rapist after two glasses of wine. He was my friend. I didn’t have bruises or witnesses and I knew I would hear about the wine I had and the fact that I willingly went to his home. I was sitting on his bed (only furniture in his room was computer chair and bed and he was in the computer chair…until he wasn’t.) All of that would have been used against me.

[YankeeDuchess]

@LilRanger

I can’t explain it to you, Ibecause i don’t have that skill set. 'm sorry you don’t understand.

Ok. I’m still happy to apologize if someone is willing to explain it to me. As I have said before, any obtuseness on my part is not feigned.

[Omgitsme]

@YankeeDuchess

Why is it so important to go on and on and on about how much and why you dislike LK, if her actions prior to being shot are 100% irrelevant to the fact of her being shot?

By harping on her dislikabity so much, you are suggesting if not outright stating that it is her actions that are the causal mechanism by which she is responsible for the fact she got shot, ruined the lives of MB, MHG, etc.

Am I victim blaming for sharing my personal LK experience? I strongly dislike her, so am I victim blaming?

[trubandloki]

@YankeeDuchess

Ok. I’m still happy to apologize if someone is willing to explain it to me. As I have said before, any obtuseness on my part is not feigned.

If it was not feigned you would be willing to actually apologize (not say 'if you give me a reason to, I will) since pretty much everyone seems to agree that your posting on this topic particular post is 100% out of line. You would not be waiting patiently for someone to hold your hand and tell you all the details of how what you said is not right. :disgust:

On your whole ‘How dare Ghazzu name names’ gasping… Google is your friend.

[eggbutt]

Based on the reaction to @Inigo-montoya’s disgusting post, I hope “LK” doesn’t get the idea that would be a good opening statement for the prosecution to use.

[FitzE]

@Omgitsme

Am I victim blaming for sharing my personal LK experience? I strongly dislike her, so am I victim blaming?

No, you are not. Sharing your experience and others agreeing with you is being manipulated to look like that. But reasonable people all know it’s not true.

Why some people feel it is “so important to go on and on and on about how much and why” it’s not her fault she got shot when the vast majority aren’t saying it is - well one can only speculate.

For some, negative attention is worth more than no attention at all. {shrug}

[eggbutt]

I submit sensitive nerves were hit with the discussion of Jonathan Kanarek’s possible involvement or whatever and RG’s license situation. It was after that all decency went out the window and the rampage began to divert and blame others for their opinions.

The trial should be fascinating.

[YankeeDuchess]

@Omgitsme

Of course that excuse still happens in court. You can’t be that naive. I never reported my rape because not only did I not have evidence, I walked into the home of my rapist after two glasses of wine. He was my friend. I didn’t have bruises or witnesses and I knew I would hear about the wine I had and the fact that I willingly went to his home. I was sitting on his bed (only furniture in his room was computer chair and bed and he was in the computer chair…until he wasn’t.) All of that would have been used against me.

I was not aware that those explicit methods for blaming the victim of a rape were still being used in court in this day and age. If it is, that is appalling.

You saying that you did not report the rape because you feared that your actions would be blamed is not quite the same as saying that you took it to court and were actively blamed for the fact the rape occurred.

I remember the previous poster as signing off as someone who had “reaped what she sowed”. If she had signed off as someone who went to trial and had been told by OTHERS that, based on her actions, she should accept that she was merely reaping what she sowed, that is a very different statement. Perhaps that is what she meant. Thank you for explaining it to me, albeit in a somewhat roundabout way.

I was aware that that type of victim blaming in rape cases occurred 30 and 40 years ago, and was not aware then blatant victim blaming of rape victims is occurring now.

[YankeeDuchess]

@Omgitsme

Am I victim blaming for sharing my personal LK experience? I strongly dislike her, so am I victim blaming?

You are not victim of blaming LK by reporting your own reasons for intensely disliking her, unless you start saying that she is responsible for somehow causing MB to shoot her, I.e. she should be blamed because she did not leave, harassed MB, etc.

[MorganSercu]

Anyone here familiar with the concept of an extinction burst?

[eggbutt]

Well dang!!! Even MB’s high dollar attorneys are now subject to victim blaming if they stated in their brief LK was on the property illegally and she should have avoided any injury by leaving the property. Goodness. I guess we’re in good company at this point. But, but, but, but…they are paid to do that, right?

"The counterclaim allegations tell the story of how Ms. Kanarek stalked, harassed and threatened Mr. Barisone, intentionally inflicting upon him emotional harm and distress of such magnitude that she cause the incident to occur. "

[JFJ]

I had no idea who MB was when I first heard the news of the shooting. People were posting the news reports on Facebook and I read them. I’m not into Dressage so the names were not familiar to me. I do live in NJ but about an hour from where this happened. I was curious about what happened. But there wasn’t much details. Then someone on Horse Show Diva mentioned the victim had a reputation and was arguing with people on the forums here. So again I was curious and I’ve been hooked ever since. Mostly because
LK posting is so fascinating and you can’t make this stuff up! And have followed every thread.
I came into it not on any side. The posting by LK both here and on other social media sure paint a picture by her own hand. No she should not have been shot. But I like the comparison someone made earlier…just because I don’t like Carole Baskin doesn’t mean I like Joe Exotic.

[LilRanger]

@MorganSercu

Anyone here familiar with the concept of an extinction burst?

Yes, yes I am. Interesting perspective…likely correct.

[LilRanger]

@JFJ

I had no idea who MB was when I first heard the news of the shooting. People were posting the news reports on Facebook and I read them. I’m not into Dressage so the names were not familiar to me. I do live in NJ but about an hour from where this happened. I was curious about what happened. But there wasn’t much details. Then someone on Horse Show Diva mentioned the victim had a reputation and was arguing with people on the forums here. So again I was curious and I’ve been hooked ever since. Mostly because
LK posting is so fascinating and you can’t make this stuff up! And have followed every thread.
I came into it not on any side. The posting by LK both here and on other social media sure paint a picture by her own hand. No she should not have been shot. But I like the comparison someone made earlier…just because I don’t like Carole Baskin doesn’t mean I like Joe Exotic.

You and me both!

[NotGrandPrixYet]

@Sdel

Accidentally shootings are still criminal acts with criminal penalties.

Self defense shootings have certain legal criteria that must be met to be ruled self defense. Several people seem to imply that it is not possible to for MB to have shot in self defense.

In my state, if LK was 4 ft away from someone, screaming insults and threats in their face, waiving her arms around and acting like she might hit them with her cell phone, and potential chase them around a table—It could very well be self defense if she at all aimed at head/neck or torso or continued to advance upon him in a threatening manner after he asked her to stop. No state requires you to allow someone to actually assault you before you are allowed to shoot in self defense.

Battered person comes in to show that he was so tortured by her, that he had reasonable fear of what she would/could do to him. Unless you’ve been in this situation, it can be hard to believe how subtle the threats can actually be.

So then does that mean he is claiming self-defense in the court documents? That’s what I don’t see, And why I can’t connect the dots.

[FitzE]

@MorganSercu

Anyone here familiar with the concept of an extinction burst?

Yes. When someone chucks a tanny I think it’s good. But when we hit a 20-year low in decency I think naming and shaming is the better approach.

But for the regular schtick, yes, I’m on board 100%.

[Sdel]

@NotGrandPrixYet

So then does that mean he is claiming self-defense in the court documents? That’s what I don’t see, And why I can’t connect the dots.

Yes. He is claiming self defense, and by extension battered person syndrome.

[YankeeDuchess]

@trubandloki

If it was not feigned you would be willing to actually apologize (not say 'if you give me a reason to, I will) since pretty much everyone seems to agree that your posting on this topic particular post is 100% out of line. You would not be waiting patiently for someone to hold your hand and tell you all the details of how what you said is not right. :disgust:

On your whole ‘How dare Ghazzu name names’ gasping… Google is your friend.

You misunderstand the point about Ghazzu naming names, is that I don’t think naming a name gets you banned, as Denali claimed. 

  Is this Elk person some important “cultural” reference I’m clueless about?  I assumed the Elk person was a real person. 

I also admit to not following the referees to the Tiger person (although I’m guessing that’s a TV show.)

   I am happy to apologize if someone explains the dimension on which I misunderstood. I’m not inclined to apologize just on the basis of the whole group expressing disgust. 

   Despite her saying “As someone who reaped what she sowed”, I now assume (not that anyone has bothered to explain it), that she meant “In my court case, there were overt things said to the effect that the rape was at least partly due to things I did”, I.e. that she was a victim of rape and also was victim blamed. 

   If that is what she was saying, I apologize.