Barisone/Kanarek Legal Filings (Public Record)

[cutter99]

@alibi_18

I think you clearly don’t understand what is a bully/bullied dynamic… maybe because you don’t see how you are one yourself?

Let me get that straight for you.

A bully is asking stuff from the person being bullied.

Let’s pretend we’re in high school…

Bully wants a sandwiches, money, shoes, essays.
Pick on another kid he sees daily and harass him constantly for stuff.
Bullied is scared, doesn’t seem he can do much, and in order to be left alone, or to soothe the Bully, gives away his sandwiches, money, shoes, essays.

Bullied is ashamed of what’s going on, and/or try to report but it is unsuccessful.

So it goes on and on and on. The Columbine.

Sounds like you wanted to go to the show and to the clinic.
Being professional and trying to soothe his bully, you, he gave in and brought you to the show and the clinic with all his other clients.
Having a successful business, it was a normal move, maybe to try to fix things up, but surely to pretend everything was fine in the face of everyone.

And you kept on in full harassing mode.

Doesn’t that sound more realistic?

You, on the other hand, had the choice to leave if you felt as threaten as you keep saying. You had no business to run, no clientele to attend to, nothing. Just pack your stuff and go.
I’ve moved more horses then you could ever afford, trust me, it wouldn’t have take long to get the fck out if I had overheard someone making dead threats.

Nope, no one deserves to be shot.

Bless the souls of all the students who died.
May we teach our kids better manners/values so they don’t become bullies.

Nailed it! Excellent post!!!

[Jenerationx]

So, there’s no other suitable place to go, and somehow calling the Fire Marshall, SafeSport and CPS is going to mend that soured relationship and everything is going to be fine and suddenly inhabitable for humans and animals?

[OntheFence]

LK could have easily moved her horses in the Long Valley or surrounding area. There are plenty of facilities that could have easily accommodated her horses including, but limited to Snowbird which isn’t too far from MB’s.

[YankeeDuchess]

  Posters keep referring to “illegal recordings”. By “illegal recordings”, do you mean that by making them, LK committed a crime?

  Since the police and the courts are aware of the existence of the recordings, if a crime was committed in making them, why is there no evidence that LK has been charged with a crime?

[NotGrandPrixYet]

@YankeeDuchess

100% agree with this. In my case, as the property owner, I spent several hundred hours over the course of 6 months to get all the building permits for a new house, which saved significant money. However, most people have the contractor pull permits (assuming the contractor is licensed). Note that it doesn’t say that the advantage of having the contractor pull the permits is that if you do it yourself as the property owner that the liability for workplace accidents transfers to you. It’s mostly a time and hassle issue.

Again, I was just raising the possibility that no one has obtained a permit for the granny flat renovation. But perhaps MB did have a permit. I don’t claim to know one way or the other.

Refer to the next article I posted. I posted three for a reason.

[Denali6298]

@YankeeDuchess

Posters keep referring to “illegal recordings”. By “illegal recordings”, do you mean that by making them, LK committed a crime?

Since the police and the courts are aware of the existence of the recordings, if a crime was committed in making them, why is there no evidence that LK has been charged with a crime?

Yes. In the state of NJ you are not allowed to record conversations unless one party of that conversation gives consent to do so. So if LK recorded all her conversations with MB that would be legal. However she has stated that she recorded conversations between MB and MH. If neither party gave consent it’s illegal.

https://recordinglaw.com/united-states-recording-laws/one-party-consent-states/new-jersey-recording-laws/

Maybe they will press charges at a later time. People can allege the commission of a crime all day long. People are not going to be arrested until there is evidence.

[ThreeFigs]

@La-LaPopRider

I’m only going to say this once more. No one on this thread is related to me in any way. I post as myself. Who you think you are to accuse anyone of being an alter for me, is beyond me. Further, just because you have the unlimited time to post on this subject constantly, does not mean no one else has a life. It only suggests that you, yourself, do not.

Once more. Noted.

[NotGrandPrixYet]

@YankeeDuchess

The newspaper reporters were interviewing her in the hospital when she was in a medically induced coma? Lots of newspaper accounts have quoted MB lawyers (no not MB himself), so clearly they were getting information from his lawyers.

uh…RG? Or was he in a coma, too?

[GiveEmEl]

@La-LaPopRider

@Wilbury Pie I have to agree with you. Not so much your singling out of YD. She has the right to contribute & has made numerous logical & many times, unarguable points.

I agree that there is a far, far greater & more concerning topic at hand right now. People are dying. Dying! The US government (more accurately, the WH) has done nothing. Nothing!!! There are currently bidding wars between states for PPE supplies which the fed has in enormous stockpile. Americans can’t even get tested for this virus.Not in the way that other countries are testing. A large majority won’t even take proper precautions to keep OTHERS safe from the asymptomatic. Spring breakers wouldn’t listen. Trump supporters believed him- when he called Coronavirus “nothing more than a common flu.” They didn’t listen. Look where we are now.

People (like myself) who are following instructions & staying inside - except to grab supplies & tend to my horses until I can get them out of Florida safely, are not living on this long dead thread. I MAY pop in once a week & only Bc this topic is directly about me. Some comments & specific posters maybe called into question. Aside from that, We are thinking of our families & adjusting to this new way of life- where everything around us is a potential contagion. Our parents, siblings, children, grandchildren etc, are all potentially at risk of literally, dying alone a terrible death. We, ourselves are all at risk - despite precautions. Please don’t stop reminding people to wash their hands & wear a mask & stay inside as much as possible. If they listen, you could be saving lives. JMHO.

He is an abysmal president.

[ThreeFigs]

@La-LaPopRider

I forgot. I apologize. Can someone please lmk it it was Sonnys mom - or Knight’s mom who informed me I had better go away or she ll “get rude,” with me and I “won’t like it.?” (Paraphrased slightly.)

Why would anyone help you find such a link, if it exists? Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, BEETLEJUICE!

[ThreeFigs]

Please keep political commentary out – this thread is contentious enough already!

[Omgitsme]

LK has stated previously that her BFF SL has copies or has heard the tapes and that if they are deemed inadmissible in court (which is likely, aside from conversations with LK or RG) she will release the recordings anyway.

So I guess one way or another we will be hearing them, though it’s entirely possible she will leave out some of them if they indicate that she was in fact harassing MB&co.

[Sparrowette]

@FitzE

Also the post in which it is noted that LK and RG were the only ones not doing anything illegal ends with a transcript of one of her illegal recordings. The mind reels! You cannot make this stuff up.

I’m also shocked someone would post a very clear accusation of conspiracy to commit murder on a BB, let alone post the content of an illegal recording at all. That should open up a whole 'nother can of legal worms.

This is starting to sound very Pony King: Murder, Mayhem, and Madness

Does Netflix use the Oxford comma? I guess I should have checked rather than risk a certain poster turning this thread into a long-winded holding forth re: comma usage! :lol:

FitzE, Netflix does not use the oxford comma in the title of the show.

https://www.netflix.com/title/81115994

[eggbutt]

@Omgitsme

LK has stated previously that her BFF SL has copies or has heard the tapes and that if they are deemed inadmissible in court (which is likely, aside from conversations with LK or RG) she will release the recordings anyway.

So I guess one way or another we will be hearing them, though it’s entirely possible she will leave out some of them if they indicate that she was in fact harassing MB&co.

I’d hate to be her bestie if she (the bestie) releases them. Interesting she gave these illegal recordings to a SM friend rather than her attorney, family member, etc. Sounds like she is well aware they are illegal and condemning to her and her boyfriend.

[eggbutt]

With all the stay at home orders in my state, I have had plenty of time to clean house, do laundry, prepare a weeks’ worth of meals, groom all the horses, play with the dogs and cats, plant a small garden, remove some small trees, mow the grass several times, and I STILL have time to check in on this thread and other SM. Funny how getting out of bed and being productive gives one lots of time to do many things!

[Knights_Mom]

@Jenerationx

So, there’s no other suitable place to go, and somehow calling the Fire Marshall, SafeSport and CPS is going to mend that soured relationship and everything is going to be fine and suddenly inhabitable for humans and animals?

Calling CPS is surely a great way to fix the barn! The child welfare workers often moonlight as unlicensed contractors.

Also, as far as MB not being scared of LK enough to go to TWO events prior to the incident:

Can’t the same be said about LK? While she was secretly and illegally using recording devices because she was so “frightened” she was also going WITH HIM TO NOT ONE, BUT TWO EVENTS.

This does not make sense if one is “in fear for their life”.

There are plenty of barns in NJ that can accommodate 4 to 6 horses TODAY. I’m sure they could have then, too. That is at least for someone who wasn’t otherwise busy reading on a porch waiting for the drama filled result of their handiwork, installing illegal devices, contacting CPS, calling authorities on anything, going to shows, going to clinics, posting on FB, etc.

[Denali6298]

I don’t think it’s a matter of accommodating 4-6 stalls. I think it is a matter of accommodating LK.

[Knights_Mom]

@eggbutt

I’d hate to be her bestie if she (the bestie) releases them. Interesting she gave these illegal recordings to a SM friend rather than her attorney, family member, etc. Sounds like she is well aware they are illegal and condemning to her and her boyfriend.

The attorney won’t release them. He is smart enough to know the legal ramifications if he does. No, the friend will be set up to be the patsy who will be screwed legally. In NJ it’s a felony.

LK sure is a good friend to set up her friend to be charged with a felony and face criminal and then civil punishments.

"New Jersey is a “one-party consent” state, meaning that under the New Jersey Wiretapping and Electronic Surveillance Act, it’s illegal to record a private, in-person or telephone conversation unless one party consents. This means that if you are a party to the conversation yourself, you can record it without telling the other person or people involved. But without the consent of at least one of the people involved, it’s illegal to record it and to distribute or use the audio recording. Anyone who violates these parts of the Wiretapping Act is guilty of a third degree felony and may also find themselves sued for money damages and legal fees.

Our courts, though, have held that where the parties to the conversation did not have a “reasonable expectation of privacy,” it may be recorded without breaking the law. So one court decision found that a conversation between two police officers during a traffic stop alongside a highway could be recorded without their permission, because they were talking in a place “more akin to an open, accessible place than an enclosed, indoor room.” Another example is making an audio and video recording of a public meeting."

[Knights_Mom]

@Denali6298

I don’t think it’s a matter of accommodating 4-6 stalls. I think it is a matter of accommodating LK.

When you are in fear for your horse’s lives, you go.

And IMHO realistically, NO WHERE can accommodate LK for very long.

[eggbutt]

@Knights Mom

When you are in fear for your horse’s lives, you go.

And IMHO realistically, NO WHERE can accommodate LK for very long.

Maybe Europe??? Somewhere in Europe with lots of foreign languages.