Barisone/Kanarek Legal Filings (Public Record)

[MorganSercu]

@Sdel

Gaslighting is not the equivalent of lying.

The bronze medal incident is proving my point. The issues are based on a real event, aka true statements. The misunderstanding surrounding this medal is not in an of itself a lie and seems to have been on both sides; it’s just one of those things. The untruth is simply the way the narrative is presented; as if MB/MH purposefully manipulated the situation to victimize LK.

The gaslighting is simply the insistence that everyone has to accept the idea that LK was purposefully maligned instead of the more obvious “misunderstanding; move on”.

So, to go back…the statement that started all this was that the picture LK said she had of the cat box probably didn’t really exist. And I disagreed, that it probably did exist because LK’s statements are based in someway on a real event. That doesn’t mean I accept her narrative as the truth (I know it’s skewed), I simply believe it’s based on something that really did happen/does exist.

The most convincing lies almost always contain a whisker’s weight of truth.

[Sdel]

@GiveEmEl

In one of the threads she said something along the lines of “we now know even if we had left MB would have had us done away with.” (No way am I wading through to find the exact quote.)
So basically she was saying MB would have had them killed even if they left because of some secret he is/was trying to hide.

Yeah…so? Skewed perception answers this. You can make a lot of things sound damning if you take them out of context. You can misread a lot of things that are said to/about you if you are determined enough to. The only thing that proves is paranoia. She also references this as an “after the fact” and is probably paranoia reinforced with the fact that she got shot.

Keep in mind, she was recording him. She knew he was working on a plan. “Had us done away with” could just as easily be a reference to charges with jail time attached.

[YankeeDuchess]

@Sdel

I know, but LK said she only called them about the “sudden serious” ones in the barn…aka the people that had started sleeping in the barn. That is why I say she made a mistake and overstepped with the FM. LK probably never expected them to inspect the whole property, including RG’s ongoing renovations in the house.

With both the house and barn condemned, MB/MH et al could no longer stay on property. How can you continue the drama when you can no longer maintain the proximity.

I don’t think a structure being found to have some code violations is necessarily the same thing as being “condemned”.
Also, even if the various rooms intended for use by people in the barn were built absolutely up to code as a lounge, etc., with no code violations, people would not be able to legally live there if the rooms did not have permits allowing human occupants to live there. Was there a legally permitted living quarters in the barn?

When you first said that she had made a mistake by getting the living quarters in the barn “condemned”, I thought you meant that that was the harassment that “made” MB shoot her. Instead you‘re saying that it was a miscalculation on her part because his moving out of the barn would put him out of her reach for further harassment? That makes no sense to me. IF IF IF her purpose was to harass him, harassing him off the property would seem to fulfill that objective nicely.

I also do not find it plausible that anyone would actively seek to be involved in that level of drama for its own sake. If LK thought she was being wronged/defrauded/taken advantage of, it appears that she is willing to stick around and ENDURE the drama rather than leave. The vast majority of people would leave or de-escalate instead of enduring the drama of that last week, but she’s not most people. Nevertheless, while it’s evident she is willing to endure a tense, confrontational situation, I think it’s a stretch to say that she actively wanted to create “drama” for the sake of “drama”.

[Mersidoats]

@NotGrandPrixYet

Most definitely. The first pics that I saw of RG, at first glance, I thought they were of MB, until I looked more closely.

There was some reference on one of the earlier threads how she and RG were “on a break” when she went down to Florida to first train with MB. Hmmmmmm…

[YankeeDuchess]

@eggbutt

With MB’s vast financial resources and, now being directly face to face with, shall we say, the possible underbelly of society, couldn’t he still make arrangements to have her done away with? (This is somewhat sarcastic for those with less than optimal reading comprehension.)

Lauren lives in a dream world and probably has for her entire life. The rest of us accomplish, while she dreams and destroys. She posted somewhere she now has “abs of steel” after 3 or 4 45 minute hard, back to back lessons Tuesday - Saturday for weeks, and now she is turning to mush, or words to that effect. Funny, she’s posted no videos of those hard lessons or any other evidence of her hard work. I sincerely hope she actually did ride that much and has progressed that much. I will be the first to eat crow when/if she actually can successfully progress up the levels and finish her bronze and obtain her silver medal. Wonder who she’s signed on with in Raleigh high enough up the dressage ladder to instruct her?

If it is true SafeSport has received many complaints against her, time may be of the essence to obtain those medals before they take action against her.

Complaints of bullying of adults go through USEF, not Safe Sport. There was at least one complaint of bullying submitted to USEF against her already, and USEF investigated and declined to sanction her. 

  If the reason LK stayed was to collect evidence of some sort of fraud being committed by MB, there would be no point in trying to arrange a contract killing from his jail cell if the evidence in the form of recordings or other material is already in the hands of authorities. So yes, he “could” make the arrangements, but what would be the point?

[Jenerationx]

If we are to believe what LK says, she had photo evidence of MH not caring for her animals to the point that there was cat feces all over the place including the beds where kids were sleeping. Someone reported either MH, MB or both to CPS as they clearly showed up, but when asked about that LK claims she doesn’t recall ever calling them. I’ve asked before what happened to those pictures, and what was the point in having them if you were not going to act on them? Of course, LK has never admitted to making the call, but she did admit she documented those conditions. (Which may or may not have been true, I wasn’t there of course.)

Of course a lot of this case makes no sense whatsoever. This is just one more thing that doesn’t add up.

[eggbutt]

Let me make something perfectly clear…SafeSport DOES take complaints against adults by adults. I know this for a FACT. Period. End of story. Do not argue with me about this.
“Prohibited Conduct: a. Criminal Charge or Disposition b. Child Abuse c. Sexual Misconduct d. Emotional and Physical Misconduct, including Stalking, Bullying, Hazing, and Harassment e. Aiding and Abetting f. Other Inappropriate Conduct g. Violation of USEF Minor Athlete Abuse Prevention Policies/Proactive Policies”

Perhaps this latest revision of the Policy should be reviewed:

https://www.usef.org/forms-pubs/YXj0…e-sport-policy

Considering USEF/SafeSport investigations are highly confidential, I seriously doubt anyone on this forum knows exactly what either agency has investigated to date about anyone specific unless penalties have been applied.

[tryintogethere]

@FitzE

Also, is it just me, or do people see a very strong resemblance between RG and MB? I would see pics in those articles and wonder why they were showing so many happy photos of LK and MB and then I would see half of them were LK and RG. Just things that make you go hmmmmmmm.

MB and RG look nothng alike in all honesty. MB is 6’4”. RG is 5’10” and heavy. They are both male and don’t always shave, but that is where the similarities end really.

[YankeeDuchess]

@Jenerationx

If we are to believe what LK says, she had photo evidence of MH not caring for her animals to the point that there was cat feces all over the place including the beds where kids were sleeping. Someone reported either MH, MB or both to CPS as they clearly showed up, but when asked about that LK claims she doesn’t recall ever calling them. I’ve asked before what happened to those pictures, and what was the point in having them if you were not going to act on them? Of course, LK has never admitted to making the call, but she did admit she documented those conditions. (Which may or may not have been true, I wasn’t there of course.)

Of course a lot of this case makes no sense whatsoever. This is just one more thing that doesn’t add up.

   I don’t think she said there were cat feces in the beds. I thought she said the litter box was not emptied to the point that feces were piling up and might fall into the children’s beds. Why a litter box would be somewhere other than on a floor, I can’t imagine.

[tryintogethere]

This is taken directly from RC’s page where the comment regarding the cat’s was made.

LK
“Hypocrite.
I don’t see you saying a WORD about Mary Haskins refusing to feed her 5 cats or letting them live in their own feces until there is so much of it, it literally overflows into her children’s beds and all over the floor. I have pictures Incase you decide to tell lies again.”

[NotGrandPrixYet]

@tryintogethere

MB and RG look nothng alike in all honesty. MB is 6’4”. RG is 5’10” and heavy. They are both male and don’t always shave, but that is where the similarities end really.

Yes, I realize that, but you can’t tell height in a photo without a reference. The do have similar hair color and hair cuts (at times).

[tryintogethere]

@NotGrandPrixYet

Yes, I realize that, but you can’t tell height in a photo without a reference. The do have similar hair color and hair cuts (at times).

RG has black hair with some grey, often cut short, a round face and lots of ink. MB has brown hair with less grey than RG, not closely cut, a longer face and no ink. It is just funny to me, because they really look nothing alike.

[eggbutt]

@YankeeDuchess

Complaints of bullying of adults go through USEF, not Safe Sport. There was at least one complaint of bullying submitted to USEF against her already, and USEF investigated and declined to sanction her.

I insist on your proof of this statement. Only the person who filed the complaint and the investigators would know this information. Time to pony up @YankeeDuchess. Show us the complaint and the findings.

[enjoytheride]

@YankeeDuchess

Complaints of bullying of adults go through USEF, not Safe Sport. There was at least one complaint of bullying submitted to USEF against her already, and USEF investigated and declined to sanction her.

If the reason LK stayed was to collect evidence of some sort of fraud being committed by MB, there would be no point in trying to arrange a contract killing from his jail cell if the evidence in the form of recordings or other material is already in the hands of authorities. So yes, he “could” make the arrangements, but what would be the point?

Complaints about adults most certainly do go through Safesport.

Where is the information located about the USEF complaint?

[eggbutt]

And, there’s this from Ed Bilinkas: Barisone’s defense is also seeking documents from SafeSport, an organization that investigates misconduct in Olympic sports. The prosecution has provided SafeSport with complaints filed against Barisone but nothing filed against Kanarek, Bilinkas said. He said Barisone contacted the organization multiple times to complain about Kanarek and so did other people.

I’m still waiting for the evidence a specific poster seems to have that USEF investigated a complaint against LK and found it was unfounded.

[YankeeDuchess]

@eggbutt

Let me make something perfectly clear…SafeSport DOES take complaints against adults by adults. I know this for a FACT. Period. End of story. Do not argue with me about this.
“Prohibited Conduct: a. Criminal Charge or Disposition b. Child Abuse c. Sexual Misconduct d. Emotional and Physical Misconduct, including Stalking, Bullying, Hazing, and Harassment e. Aiding and Abetting f. Other Inappropriate Conduct g. Violation of USEF Minor Athlete Abuse Prevention Policies/Proactive Policies”

Perhaps this latest revision of the Policy should be reviewed:

https://www.usef.org/forms-pubs/YXj0…e-sport-policy

Considering USEF/SafeSport investigations are highly confidential, I seriously doubt anyone on this forum knows exactly what either agency has investigated to date about anyone specific unless penalties have been applied.

Yes, SafeSport does investigate complaints by adults against adults. We all know that for a FACT. 

  We all know that bullying and harassment are prohibited by the code. All current criminal acts are also included as prohibited. 

    Just because the SafeSport prohibits an act, does not mean that SafeSport itself necessarily conducts the investigation on that act.  For example, there was a wealthy heiress who committed insurance fraud, or some other type of financial crime, and based on the criminal conviction, she was banned with no investigation by SS itself. 

     We know based on published news reports that USEF has in the past conducted an investigation on bullying by LK, and USEF reported that they were not issuing any sanctions against her.  I have not seen any reported disposition of a bullying case issued by SafeSport. Are you aware of any?

      If someone on this forum had reported to SafeSport a complaint of bullying and harassment and been told by them “We don’t handle that, take it to USEF”, they would probably know.  

      What difference does it make?  If LK engages in further bullying, the victim can report it to USEF or SafeSport as appropriate.

[YankeeDuchess]

@tryintogethere

This is taken directly from RC’s page where the comment regarding the cat’s was made.

LK
“Hypocrite.
I don’t see you saying a WORD about Mary Haskins refusing to feed her 5 cats or letting them live in their own feces until there is so much of it, it literally overflows into her children’s beds and all over the floor. I have pictures Incase you decide to tell lies again.”

I remembered it incorrectly, I apologize.

[eggbutt]

@YankeeDuchess

Yes, SafeSport does investigate complaints by adults against adults. We all know that for a FACT.

We all know that bullying and harassment are prohibited by the code. All current criminal acts are also included as prohibited.

Just because the SafeSport prohibits an act, does not mean that SafeSport itself necessarily conducts the investigation on that act. For example, there was a wealthy heiress who committed insurance fraud, or some other type of financial crime, and based on the criminal conviction, she was banned with no investigation by SS itself.

We know based on published news reports that USEF has in the past conducted an investigation on bullying by LK, and USEF reported that they were not issuing any sanctions against her. I have not seen any reported disposition of a bullying case issued by SafeSport. Are you aware of any?

If someone on this forum had reported to SafeSport a complaint of bullying and harassment and been told by them “We don’t handle that, take it to USEF”, they would probably know.

What difference does it make? If LK engages in further bullying, the victim can report it to USEF or SafeSport as appropriate.

I’ve never heard of this!!! Provide your proof. And here is your quote from post 1710: “Complaints of bullying of adults go through USEF, not Safe Sport. There was at least one complaint of bullying submitted to USEF against her already, and USEF investigated and declined to sanction her.”

And, YOU are the one who said SS doesn’t take reports from adults against adults. Several of us are telling you, you are absolutely wrong, Again, it is suggested you don’t argue about this any further.

You are full of it. You provoke and then provide word salad to cover yourself when you can’t back up your claims, facts, and ramblings. You contradicted yourself from paragraph 1 to paragraph 2. Either they do or don’t investigate.

Please just stop. Just stop.

[YankeeDuchess]

@eggbutt

I insist on your proof of this statement. Only the person who filed the complaint and the investigators would know this information. Time to pony up @YankeeDuchess. Show us the complaint and the findings.

You already attempted to bust me on this once before IN THIS THREAD and someone posted the link to the article! You really don’t remember?

USEF issued a statement that the complaint had been made, investigated, and that they were taking no action. I think they said they considered it  “more of a personal matter”  or something to that effect. I think the article provided the names of the two complainants. 

 I never said that I had seen the actual complaint or the official finding, just that the investigation of the complaint had been reported in the media.

[cutter99]

Windy, gray day here in the South, and we just had a snow squall blow through.

Let’s all take a step back, and take a deep breath! Just remember, certain posters on this thread just love to spin, spin, spin. They love to pontificate, even when proven flat out wrong. They love to misquote and twist facts to suit their own narrative, then become frustratingly obtuse when confronted with their actions.

Please, please, please do not fall prey to this. Their goal is to get this thread shut down.