Barisone- New Thread

[Angela_Freda]

No, he too found him not to be malingering, iirc

[McGurk]

It’s a fine line to walk.

Absolutely, the victims’ character shouldn’t be on trial.

But for both the self defense and the insanity defense, the provocation is relevant. So the defense has to present WHY MB felt he needed to defend himself or what triggered the psychotic break WITHOUT appearing to put the victims on trial.

For the prosecution to effectively make their case, they somehow have to acknowledge what MB felt he needed to defend himself against or that something happened to trigger the psychotic break. How to acknowledge it yet make the point they didn’t deserve to be shot?

Tough one.

[floppyammy]

Meh. You reap what you sow.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Sdel

@Jealoushe

Basically it goes: There is NO evidence that the beating was first. They can not enter that in because there is simply no evidence to suggest that and defense has not brought any in to support it.

But what he CAN say is that the physical evidence never proved that MB shot the gun. He said himself that he expects the jury to find LK/RG to have been thoroughly discredited in their testimony.

I think the ear witness testimony and the 911 call are plenty to establish what happened and that it wasn’t self defense.

[RegentLion]

@Angela_Freda

Paraphrase
Mr Barisone, wrt the charges, do you understand…
MB “Whatever Mr Bikini is says”
Taylor explains more
MB “yes, he’s informed me, and whatever Mr Bilinkis says is what I go with”

Talk about trust and faith.

I hope it’s not misplaced. My heart breaks for MB.

[Jealoushe]

I think the jury is supposed to decide if the law was broken/crime committed…not whether they feel the person should spend time in jail.

[supernatural]

You are dealing with 12 human beings. OJ was innocent

[Jealoushe]

@Sdel

He said himself that he expects the jury to find LK/RG to have been thoroughly discredited in their testimony.

I heard that but then also heard him say their testimony isn’t counted as evidence or along those lines? and all evidence points to MB taking the gun and driving 1/4 mile down there.

[Angela_Freda]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I think the ear witness testimony and the 911 call are plenty to establish what happened and that it wasn’t self defense.

Both of those only heard a portion of the entire altercation.
They didn’t hear everything during their short call, and certainly not from the moment MB exited the truck.

If you don’t have a reliable source for what occurred before the ear witnesses were able to hear, you only have part if the story of this altercation…

.

[Jealoushe]

oh yeah lol just saying what they are supposed to be doing

[Ambitious_Kate]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

I was looking at public comments on a few of the Law & Crime YouTube videos of day 9 of the trial, which included handlebars testifying.

Uh - the Bob Abooey person who is commenting?

C’mon people. It’s GOT to be her.

Can’t find those comments. Care to share what they said?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

If MB is found guilty, he would need to get the conviction overturned on appeal before getting a plea deal.

Correct. He would need it overturned on appeal.

This case involves the exact same prosecutor, defense attorney and judge. It’s been a HIGHLY unusual mess. Bilinkas has decades of trial experience.

I have a feeling that he has pathways to try with respect to appeal. I think part of the reason Taylor was so hostile towards Bilinkas during the trial was that Taylor wanted to keep him on a very short leash.

Just my general impression after watching it, and knowing the history.

Bilinkas has been using the technique of asking leading questions to get some suggestive words into the ears of the jurors even though he knows he’s going to get a sustained objection. He also paraphrases witness statements to change the meaning and then tries to get them to agree.

He’s supposed to do everything he can for his client, but I understand the judge’s need to keep him on a short leash.

The Vertetis case was Taylor and Bilinkas, but was it Schellhorn as well?

[Sdel]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Sdel

@Jealoushe

Basically it goes: There is NO evidence that the beating was first. They can not enter that in because there is simply no evidence to suggest that and defense has not brought any in to support it.

But what he CAN say is that the physical evidence never proved that MB shot the gun. He said himself that he expects the jury to find LK/RG to have been thoroughly discredited in their testimony.

I think the ear witness testimony and the 911 call are plenty to establish what happened and that it wasn’t self defense.

Nope. Not really. They gave a third version of the story that doesn’t match up with LK or RG’s. And that ear witness kills RG’s charges entirely. 2 shots, 2 casings, only two bullets, so no attempt my on RG. The way LK/RG testified, the ear witness should have heard 3 shots not just two…

But the ear witness is daddy’s friend, and daddy really only cares about getting justice for LK, not RG. It’s why the lawyer was only representing LK at the time, and why RG isn’t on the civil suit to recoup the money he is “owed”.

[Sdel]

[Ambitious_Kate]

LOL what a poor representation of humanity. I wonder where she will rear her odd shaped head next.

[McGurk]

There is a certain similarity in style there.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Sdel

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Sdel

@Jealoushe

Basically it goes: There is NO evidence that the beating was first. They can not enter that in because there is simply no evidence to suggest that and defense has not brought any in to support it.

But what he CAN say is that the physical evidence never proved that MB shot the gun. He said himself that he expects the jury to find LK/RG to have been thoroughly discredited in their testimony.

I think the ear witness testimony and the 911 call are plenty to establish what happened and that it wasn’t self defense.

Nope. Not really. They gave a third version of the story that doesn’t match up with LK or RG’s. And that ear witness kills RG’s charges entirely. 2 shots, 2 casings, only two bullets, so no attempt my on RG. The way LK/RG testified, the ear witness should have heard 3 shots not just two…

But the ear witness is daddy’s friend, and daddy really only cares about getting justice for LK, not RG. It’s why the lawyer was only representing LK at the time, and why RG isn’t on the civil suit to recoup the money he is “owed”.

The phone was dropped after LK was shot (and said “I’ve been shot”). But I agree that the attempted murder charge against RG is much more tenuous and he may be acquitted on that one.

[Sdel]

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Ambitious_Kate

Can’t find those comments. Care to share what they said?

comments from 13 hours ago

“Love Dr Schlesinger. Respected (Hasson is not) and credible (Hasson is not)

“Hahaha. “Dr” Hasson was destroyed by Schlesinger”

“There is NO proof that judge was affected by the criticism of the halfwits in the chat. He cut off comments to ensure a fair trial for barisone. EVEN THOUGH BARISONE IS GUILTY AF”

There were a few other comments I saw, that got deleted. Bob Abooey used emojis in a weird specific way that LK does. Also - Bob is arguing like crazy with random people.

Also… other commentators noted Bob Abooey created the account 6 days ago.

ETA @Sdel captured some of the deleted comments

[Ambitious_Kate]