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[ekat]

I think it’s a little unique in this case because of COVID delays. I’m guessing that pre-COVID, defendants typically didn’t wait so long to get to trial.

And I could be wrong, but wasn’t the judge going to release him but he chose to stay in?

[ekat]

I think you’re on to something…

[Sticky_Situation]

I seem to remember LK’s account of how many times she was shot changing a number of times in her social media rants following the shooting. It’s entirely possible, and understandable, that she may not have even remembered how many times she was shot, but why not pick a number and stick with it?

[Manahmanah]

The courts and the police make their own rules in NJ, which should be evident to anyone who is following this trial

[hut-ho78]

@ekat

I think it’s a little unique in this case because of COVID delays. I’m guessing that pre-COVID, defendants typically didn’t wait so long to get to trial.

And I could be wrong, but wasn’t the judge going to release him but he chose to stay in?

He was eligible for pre-release at 2 years, around the same time he was offered the plea deal. He declined both I think maybe at the same hearing?

[ekat]

Thanks. I thought I had read that somewhere.

[hut-ho78]

@Escada

You are very right. I stopped teaching for a while and started back with a boarding business. It makes me wonder if I can really screen people like this out.

Written contracts prepared by a lawyer are very helpful.

[anon6923113]

@hut-ho78

Don’t even try the “tit for tat”? LOL! OK. Let’s try another look.

The SS complaint prompting the visit from DCPP was not for sexual abuse. MB interrupted that visit 3 times finally kicking them out of his office so he could get RC’s gun, load it, and go shoot LK 2X in the chest and at RG once. There has been testimony about MB’s deteriorating condition. That doesn’t sound like a weaponized SS complaint. It sounds like a good call.

Much of this is about SM trash talking, 19,000 pages of it. Ironically, at least one of the 100 that bothered him most was entered into evidence as occurring after the shooting.

He called USDF and USEF. MHG sent over 700 pages of unverified dirt their investigator pulled up to SS. For that matter, since MB tried to kill someone while DCPP was there then the SS complaints weren’t tit for tat. LK’s were verified and MHG’s was just throwing mud on a wall and hoping it won’t stick.

MB calling USEF and USDF was intent to stop her from participating in recognized shows not from her behavior at shows but from personal business reasons. It would have cost him a lot less to use the report and SM and the late night screaming to evict her instead of now using it to try to avoid a guilty verdict for 2 counts of attempted murder and gun charges. Did the defense manage to enter the late night screaming into evidence from MHG? I forgot.

He brought her in with no contract and went into a barter situation with no paperwork trail of time, material, and value. That puts RG as a house employee not an unlicensed contractor. Even with two completely stable and honorable parties, misunderstandings could cause issues. It was a disaster with these two parties.

Regarding the bolded…

You seem to be saying that BECAUSE MB lost his mind while the DCPP investigator was on the property and shot LK…

LKs prior SafeSport complaint about MB was thereby “verified” and validated?

Are you a SafeSport investigator? Do you know what the content of that complaint was? Did LK call in and say, “I think MB is going to shoot someone?”

Apparently… LK actually called SafeSport to discuss concerns about MHGs children. THAT’S why DCPP was immediately called. That’s why the first person the DCPP investigator spoke with was the custodial parent of the minors who were the subject of the complaint.

We still don’t know what was alleged as part of LKs complaint to SafeSport. Do we? But… we do know that MB has never been charged with any wrongdoing related to those children. We do know that MHG testified on the stand that MB loved those children. We do know that MHG still has custodial rights.

Soooo tell me again how LKs prior complaint to SafeSport about MB and MHG was validated by the events of 08/07?

As for any calls MB and MHG made to USEF/USDF… how did LK even know calls were made? She would have had to have known that to have engaged in “tit for tat.” She would have had to have known that MHG had had a private investigator compiled a 700 page report on LK and sent it in to SafeSport.

And was that report unverified dirt? Or was it an actual background check detailing LKs lengthy legal history, with respect to restraining order, assault charges, cyberstalking complaints, etc etc etc …?

But back to how LK would have known MB and MHG were making complaints against her with USDF/USEF and SafeSport in the early days of August… the only way LK knew about that would have been from one of her own illegal recording devices, which she and RG planted on MBs property…

Who plants illegal recording devices on their trainer’s property?

A seriously troubled person with a long history of stalking and harassment. That’s who.

Which is why MB and MHG were reporting her to SafeSport…

[atl_hunter]

I find it curious that her father, who helped arrange all of this (and is an attorney), didn’t insist on a contract. The contract is designed to protect BOTH parties. Why wouldn’t he have insisted on one? As a boarder, I always have (and have referenced it multiple times when issues have arisen).

[anon6923113]

@atl_hunter

I find it curious that her father, who helped arrange all of this (and is an attorney), didn’t insist on a contract. The contract is designed to protect BOTH parties. Why wouldn’t he have insisted on one? As a boarder, I always have (and have referenced it multiple times when issues have arisen).

Good point. Very very good point.

Do we truly even know that there was no contract? Or… was there a contract involving full training board for exactly TWO horses, and room and board for LK?

Perhaps this whole “RG will barter work in exchange for board for more horses” was the only part of the situation NOT covered by a contract.

If JK left RG out of any and all legal agreements involving JK’s daughter? Well… that would be consistent with JK’s actions when negotiating with Steven Tarshis, and with the fact that JK told Ed David that David was ONLY to represent LK in the whole tennant dispute situation.

[hut-ho78]

@anon6923113

@hut-ho78

Don’t even try the “tit for tat”? LOL! OK. Let’s try another look.

The SS complaint prompting the visit from DCPP was not for sexual abuse. MB interrupted that visit 3 times finally kicking them out of his office so he could get RC’s gun, load it, and go shoot LK 2X in the chest and at RG once. There has been testimony about MB’s deteriorating condition. That doesn’t sound like a weaponized SS complaint. It sounds like a good call.

Much of this is about SM trash talking, 19,000 pages of it. Ironically, at least one of the 100 that bothered him most was entered into evidence as occurring after the shooting.

He called USDF and USEF. MHG sent over 700 pages of unverified dirt their investigator pulled up to SS. For that matter, since MB tried to kill someone while DCPP was there then the SS complaints weren’t tit for tat. LK’s were verified and MHG’s was just throwing mud on a wall and hoping it won’t stick.

MB calling USEF and USDF was intent to stop her from participating in recognized shows not from her behavior at shows but from personal business reasons. It would have cost him a lot less to use the report and SM and the late night screaming to evict her instead of now using it to try to avoid a guilty verdict for 2 counts of attempted murder and gun charges. Did the defense manage to enter the late night screaming into evidence from MHG? I forgot.

He brought her in with no contract and went into a barter situation with no paperwork trail of time, material, and value. That puts RG as a house employee not an unlicensed contractor. Even with two completely stable and honorable parties, misunderstandings could cause issues. It was a disaster with these two parties.

Regarding the bolded…

You seem to be saying that BECAUSE MB lost his mind while the DCPP investigator was on the property and shot LK…

LKs prior SafeSport complaint about MB was thereby “verified” and validated?

Are you a SafeSport investigator? Do you know what the content of that complaint was? Did LK call in and say, “I think MB is going to shoot someone?”

Apparently… LK actually called SafeSport to discuss concerns about MHGs children. THAT’S why DCPP was immediately called. That’s why the first person the DCPP investigator spoke with was the custodial parent of the minors who were the subject of the complaint.

We still don’t know what was alleged as part of LKs complaint to SafeSport. Do we? But… we do know that MB has never been charged with any wrongdoing related to those children. We do know that MHG testified on the stand that MB loved those children. We do know that MHG still has custodial rights.

Soooo tell me again how LKs prior complaint to SafeSport about MB and MHG was validated by the events of 08/07?

As for any calls MB and MHG made to USEF/USDF… how did LK even know calls were made? She would have had to have known that to have engaged in “tit for tat.” She would have had to have known that MHG had had a private investigator compiled a 700 page report on LK and sent it in to SafeSport.

And was that report unverified dirt? Or was it an actual background check detailing LKs lengthy legal history, with respect to restraining order, assault charges, cyberstalking complaints, etc etc etc …?

But back to how LK would have known MB and MHG were making complaints against her with USDF/USEF and SafeSport in the early days of August… the only way LK knew about that would have been from one of her own illegal recording devices, which she and RG planted on MBs property…

Who plants illegal recording devices on their trainer’s property?

A seriously troubled person with a long history of stalking and harassment. That’s who.

Which is why MB and MHG were reporting her to SafeSport…

No proof as to any illegal recording devices. People claiming their private conversations were taped could have confided in a trusted friend who confused in a trusted friend until it was told to a trusted friend of LK. There are not secrets or confidential conversations in a barn. There is always someone stirring up trouble, running back and forth telling tales.

Edited to correct raped to taped.

[supernatural]

Wow… drink that LK kooolaid

[anon6923113]

@hut-ho78

No proof as to any illegal recording devices. People claiming their private conversations were raped could have confided in a trusted friend who confused in a trusted friend until it was told to a trusted friend of LK. There are not secrets or confidential conversations in a barn. There is always someone stirring up trouble, running back and forth telling tales.

Hut-ho! Be careful. You might injure yourself with a big old stretch like that

[hut-ho78]

@atl_hunter

I find it curious that her father, who helped arrange all of this (and is an attorney), didn’t insist on a contract. The contract is designed to protect BOTH parties. Why wouldn’t he have insisted on one? As a boarder, I always have (and have referenced it multiple times when issues have arisen).

Me too.

[MHM]

@hut-ho78

No proof as to any illegal recording devices. People claiming their private conversations were raped could have confided in a trusted friend who confused in a trusted friend until it was told to a trusted friend of LK. There are not secrets or confidential conversations in a barn. There is always someone stirring up trouble, running back and forth telling tales.

Was it an invisible boarder sitting on the imaginary bench that LK and RG both claimed was in front of the lockers? Even though nobody else who was there at the time ever saw a bench there?

Also:

[hut-ho78]

@MHM

@hut-ho78

No proof as to any illegal recording devices. People claiming their private conversations were raped could have confided in a trusted friend who confused in a trusted friend until it was told to a trusted friend of LK. There are not secrets or confidential conversations in a barn. There is always someone stirring up trouble, running back and forth telling tales.

Who was raped?

Also:

Sorry. Taped.

[anon6923113]

@hut-ho78

Sorry. Taped

I’ll debate a lot with you… but I struggle with typos too. I won’t give you flack for that

[Warmblood1]

@Sticky_Situation

I seem to remember LK’s account of how many times she was shot changing a number of times in her social media rants following the shooting. It’s entirely possible, and understandable, that she may not have even remembered how many times she was shot, but why not pick a number and stick with it?

Agree. OR, if you can’t remember what happened, which seems to be the case since her story has changed so much - she even thought was evacuated by air after the shooting - why not be a decent human being and admit it?
Oh, that’s right, it doesn’t align with her agenda.

I really liked that in the defense’s closing statement, he pointed out that MB’s amnesia does NOTHING to help his case. Which is why I believe the amnesia is real.

[LiberalSnowflake]

@hut-ho78

For those of you who see MB as a wounded bird and LK as the big bad, if he gets out, I hope you are right.

He tried to kill LK and RG. He put two rounds in LK’s chest. He started a jail house nuisance lawsuit against the court and LE his lawyers had to clean up, his girlfriend left him. Oh, and the girlfriend was the one he left his wife for, gave up $965,000, and 3 good horses if considerable value. The only remorse he might have shown is one “I’m sorry.”

If instead of a wounded bird, he is a wounded angry feigning insanity, then release by a simple NG could be an incredibly dangerous situation for all involved.

NGI would require evaluation and treatment for an undetermined amount of time and maybe a full restoration depending on what SS does.

Guilty would keep him from hurting anyone else except inmates and guards on the prison.

I’ve said before that NGI may be the best solution for a really tragic situation.

I cannot fathom how anyone can equate SM trash talking (and there are several here that are enthusiasts) to shooting someone twice in the chest and shooting at someone else.

Victims always have their pasts rolled out in court. Children are accused of making things up. It sucks to be a victim of violent crime. Victims have no rights in court.

Gosh, I bet you’re fun at parties.

[Knights_Mom]

What kind of parties?