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[Rhythm_Pace_Impulsion]

That as well, MB definitely took a beating. Its the rounded edges on the bruise that scream knee to me.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@Rhythm_Pace_Impulsion

That as well, MB definitely took a beating. Its the rounded edges on the bruise that scream knee to me.

Or a fist coming down on the side of his head.

[Jealoushe]

Yes, but that wasn’t court record, so I was just curious if it was confirmed by the court, since the cop testified to the opposite. But as a poster pointed out, there might have been two occasions of that being said. I did reply originally, btw.

[MHM]

@Rhythm_Pace_Impulsion

@ScaredOfHorses

This is just his face. Also, his entire body was beaten and had puncture wounds due to dog bites

From the first time I saw this pic what stood out to me was the large bruise in the temple area. I’ve had a bruise like that, came from taking a horse knee to the head. Makes me wonder if RG kneed MB in the head repeatedly, causing the unconsciousness and memory loss.
ETA spelling

Could be.

Didn’t it come out during the trial that RG has multiple assault charges on his arrest record? Even though the judge would not allow those records to be admitted as evidence.

[anon6923113]

@MHM

But the fact that the shorter guy said he had hand-to-hand combat training in the military might negate the fact that he was attacking a bigger guy (who rode dressage horses for a living).

You are overestimating that training, and the potential duration and extent.

Let’s put it this way. Let’s say you did a week long riding camp, 15 years ago, that involved jumping cross country. And it was awesome. And you had a great coach. And you schooled cross country every day. And you were proficient.

Then you went about life, and didn’t do any sort of riding involving jumping cross country for the next 15 years. And… you were no longer much of an athlete.

Then one day, while out on a trail ride, you found yourself in a life or death situation that required you to gallop and jump a few training or prelim level solid obstacles, at speed. Maybe throw in a drop, or a corner, or something else technical.

Let’s say this life or death situation happens suddenly. You are just walking along, and then it is GAME ON. You gotta do four or fives big scary jumps in a row, and including a few technical jumps. And it’s your life on the line. And you’re outta shape. And you had zero chance to warm up on the horse . And you may or may not be high while this happens.

How does that end?

Yeah. You fall off. Maybe the horse crashes. But that’s definitely how that ends.

This is the equestrian equivalent of RG effectively executing hand to hand combat skills he MAY have learned during a VERY BRIEF stint in the USMC about 15 or more years ago, in a life or death situation.

Hand to hand combat skills, as well as shooting skills, aviation related skills, and many many other things people learn in the military? They continually train and practice, and go through routine qualification checks on a these skills for a reason. Because the skills are perishable if not practiced regularly. A lot of it involves muscle memory.

[trubandloki]

@Jealoushe

Yes, but that wasn’t court record, so I was just curious if it was confirmed by the court, since the cop testified to the opposite. But as a poster pointed out, there might have been two occasions of that being said.

The cop said something different, but close enough that you might be getting them confused.
If you read the transcript that @Angela_Freda made for you, you would realize that the cop probably testified to something not quite that.

[Angela_Freda]

@StB.YM

From what I recall, the cop came after and was the one who said he’d kill MB if he moved. The arm breaking comment was earlier - but I could be wrong

Yes, Heymer, during his testimony identifies his first statement in that 911 call, basically Timestamping his arrival.
It is not the statement about breaking the arm.
Its I’ll kill you, don’t move. Basically.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@Jealoushe

Yes, but that wasn’t court record, so I was just curious if it was confirmed by the court, since the cop testified to the opposite. But as a poster pointed out, there might have been two occasions of that being said. I did reply originally, btw.

I heard RG tell MB to stop moving or I’ll break it, just stop, or something along those lines. Then later in the same recording the cop comes up and tells MB he will kill him if he moves. It was linear.

[Angela_Freda]

@Jealoushe

Yes but wasn’t it transcribed by someone here? and not the court?

Yes.
By me.
If you want to DIY and compare them, that would be awesome.

[MHM]

@anon6923113

Hand to hand combat skills, as well as shooting skills, aviation related skills, and many many other things people learn in the military? And they continually train and practice, and go through routine qualification checks on a these skills for a reason. Because the skills are perishable if not practiced regularly. A lot of it involves muscle memory.

That’s assuming that those skills have not been used over the course of the person’s life since that past combat training. Say, in lots of bar fights or shady deals that may have resulted in multiple assault charges on their arrest record, for example.

Obviously, it’s all just a thought experiment on the subject at this point.

[roseymare]

Hubby and I do Worldle, Wordle, and Quordle in that order every night before bed. We are both laughable at Worldle and absolutely love Quordle. I have started antiwordle. It’s weird.

[Rhythm_Pace_Impulsion]

Could be.

Didn’t it come out during the trial that RG has multiple assault charges on his arrest record? Even though the judge would not allow those records to be admitted as evidence.
[/quote]

Yes, I believe RG has a previous record and the judge did not allow it to be explored.

[cheval_convert]

Was that “Bone Crack”?

[Syrynx]

@Angela_Freda

I know a dislocation can be incredibly painful.
Thank you Dick Francis.

Yet he made putting the joint back in place sound relatively easy! LOL

[Rel6]

I had to stop watching being I wasn’t being productive enough with it on in the background so I am out od the loop. What is happening currently? Is the jury deliberating?

[MHM]

@MorganSercu

More than you ever wanted to know, right here.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-therapies/elbow-fracture-open-reduction-and-internal-fixation

Thanks for posting that.

And also, eeee.

[smoofox]

@CanteringCarrot

There are people that can discuss the topic at hand (the case) and those that rather insult, bicker, and get personal/make it about posters and their activities. I’d ignore the latter, because they aren’t worth your time.

Exactly right - but is is hard to find a path through and around the one on one insults and tit for tat… why do some of you want to shut this thread down with that sh-stuff? What is the point? Disagree with someone, state your case and knock it off with the insults and the back and forth sniping. I know I am not a mod (so no need to go down that road) - I am just sharing an opinion…

@skydy

The jury in this criminal case did not hear the worst of it.

In the civil case almost all of the dirt will be admissible.

Yep - and that will be extremely interesting… and sad.

@RHdobes563

Yes, I definitely would NOT believe there had been sufficient evidence to convict.

I am quite an addict of Forensic Files, the New Detectives, and a BUNCH of other police shows (due to my Discovery+ subscription) that deal with forensics and the gathering of evidence. The fact that SO MANY things weren’t done that could have HELPED and/or confirmed the prosecution’s case is just mind-boggling.

I am beginning to look at this case like an episode of House. That at some point, despite all the confusion and seemingly disconnected “symptoms”, everything will be made clear and obvious and all the questions will be answered. Regrettably, that is not going to happen - I am such a dreamer.

@CanteringCarrot

However, I am a little distracted by how the police handled the crime scene. It was a bit sloppy and I feel as though we still don’t know what exactly happened on that day, and never will. I’m not saying MB didn’t shoot anyone, I’m just saying that the order of events and how everything exactly went down, is still not so clear.

The bolded - is sadly, very true.

ETA: I posted this when I was still almost 200 posts behind - at least the bickering turned into Wordle-ing for a while!

[LiberalSnowflake]

Maybe they use the same publicist? Where is Dexter, anyway? #iwashacked #itwasntme

[hntrjmpr]

Ughhh no verdict yet?? I got a full day of work stuff so checking in when i can!!

[anon6923113]

@MHM

That’s assuming that those skills have not been used over the course of the person’s life since that past combat training. Say, in lots of bar fights or shady deals that may have resulted in multiple assault charges on their arrest record, for example.

Obviously, it’s all just a thought experiment on the subject at this point.

Definitely.

But brawling periodically with other common criminals… vs effectively using hand to hand combat techniques, including use of a reverse choke hold on a much larger, and much more athletic guy?

It’s actually apples and oranges.

It is all just a thought experiment though. You are right. But something about RG really sets me on edge. We all get focused on LK, given her incredible social media posts of the last 2.5 years, and her long history with any number of people. But… I think there is far more to the RG part of this whole equation than we have given him credit for. He’s a really really bad apple. And he’s lying like crazy about what exactly happened that day at the house. And he’s lying to cover his own little rear end. JMO.