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[anon6923113]

@MHM

The only thing I will add regarding his Marine service is that he did say on the witness stand that he received hand-to-hand combat training while he was in the military.

And he also did not hesitate to say that he used a choke hold, and rendered MB unconscious during the struggle. Does that mean they stopped beating MB once he was passed out? Or did they only stop beating him when the first police officer arrived on the scene?

He did indeed SAY he received hand to hand combat training in the military.

But he never said how long he was in the military. Which is noteworthy. One wonders if he made it through basic training.

A minimal amount of hand to hand training during a partially finished stint in the USMC? does not make a dirtbag into a hero. Frankly, a high school wrestler, who actually was of good character, probably would actually be more capable and effective in a high stress crunch situation like this.

A lot of people who have done minimal amounts of time in the military blow a LOT of smoke about it. The truth is, the military carefully tracks people’s service records. Every achievement. Every award. Every qualification. Like… every freaking detail. No one mentioned RGs record at trial. Not a freaking peep about it. If there was anything noteworthy or good in it? The prosecutor would have talked about it. For.sure.

[Angela_Freda]

If you can tolerate all the distressed, highly anxious barking, on the 911 call from the incident you hear RG state “You move again, I will break it! I will break your F’in arm”

Which he did, per the Prosecutor summation where he states his arm is broken.

Oh yeah, also choked unconscious by RG at least once, which could add to his inability to recall.

His inability to recall has been attributed, again per the summation, to either head trauma during the event, but additional to the 8-12 concussions in his lifetime… Or… due to a mental, psychotic break.

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[DownYonder]

@anon6923113

A lot of people who have done minimal amounts of time in the military blow a LOT of smoke about it. The truth is, the military carefully tracks people’s service records. Every achievement. Every award. Very qualification. Like… every freaking detail. No one mentioned RGs record at trial. Not a freaking peep about it. If there was anything noteworthy or good in it? The prosecutor would have talked about it. For.sure.

Yeah, I am thinking you are right. If RG was an upstanding, honorably discharged Marine with a stellar record, I am sure Schelhorn would have been sure to stress that.

[Jealoushe]

I thought it was testified it was the cop saying that?

[MHM]

@anon6923113

He did indeed SAY he received hand to hand combat training in the military.

But he never said how long he was in the military. Which is noteworthy. One wonders if he made it through basic training.

That I don’t know.

But I noticed it during the trial, since RG and LK had been making such a big deal for so long about the size difference between RG and MB. And he even mentioned it in the 911 call to the 911 operator, as if the 911 operator was in a position to do anything about it.

But the fact that the shorter guy said he had hand-to-hand combat training in the military might negate the fact that he was attacking a bigger guy (who rode dressage horses for a living).

[StB.YM]

@Jealoushe

I thought it was testified it was the cop saying that?

From what I recall, the cop came after and was the one who said he’d kill MB if he moved. The arm breaking comment was earlier - but I could be wrong.

[Rhythm_Pace_Impulsion]

@ScaredOfHorses

This is just his face. Also, his entire body was beaten and had puncture wounds due to dog bites

From the first time I saw this pic what stood out to me was the large bruise in the temple area. I’ve had a bruise like that, came from taking a horse knee to the head. Makes me wonder if RG kneed MB in the head repeatedly, causing the unconsciousness and memory loss.
ETA spelling

[Ghazzu]

@ToN_Farm

Back around 2009 or so, I participated in a few missing baby/people threads on Websleuths. After a while I couldn’t handle it anymore. The ridiculous thinking of some of the posters and also those coming in late to the case and missing a lot of the details was frustrating

I’ve seen a similar.phenomenon in a few “missing horse” cases. One in particular where based on the “impressions” of a pet psychic, some folks were ready to get violent with a local goat owner, because the psychic said the horse was in a dark shed with goats.

Spoiler alert–the horse was dead, about 500 feet or so from the barn, having fallen into an old cellar hole and broken its neck.

[trubandloki]

@Jealoushe

I thought it was testified it was the cop saying that?

That call was transcribed in this very thread and it proves that it was RG that said that.
The cops did not appear until much later.

[Jealoushe]

@StB.YM

From what I recall, the cop came after and was the one who said he’d kill MB if he moved. The arm breaking comment was earlier - but I could be wrong.

ohhh that makes sense why there is confusion

[MHM]

@anon6923113

Frankly, a high school wrestler, who actually was of good character, probably would actually be more capable and effective in a high stress crunch situation like this.

I think I may have mentioned on one of the previous threads how one of my brothers, who was a pretty good wrestler in high school and college, did in fact tie a guy up in knots and hold him until the police arrived when the guy tried to mug him many years ago. And my brother is not a big guy, so I’m thinking the mugger was probably quite surprised.

But it does show that the size of the person does not necessarily have any bearing on how effective they will be in a fight.

[Jealoushe]

@trubandloki

That call was transcribed in this very thread and it proves that it was RG that said that.
The cops did not appear until much later.

Yes but wasn’t it transcribed by someone here? and not the court?

[trubandloki]

@Jealoushe

@trubandloki

That call was transcribed in this very thread and it proves that it was RG that said that.
The cops did not appear until much later.

Yes but wasn’t it transcribed by someone here? and not the court?

Yes.
Clearly not the court.
You could listen and hear that it was accurate as far as timing.

[Angela_Freda]

@DownYonder

And they had to do an open reduction to reset the dislocation

Can you explain open reduction? I’m not fully familiar.

I know a dislocation can be incredibly painful.
Thank you Dick Francis.

[MHM]

@DownYonder

@anon6923113

A lot of people who have done minimal amounts of time in the military blow a LOT of smoke about it. The truth is, the military carefully tracks people’s service records. Every achievement. Every award. Very qualification. Like… every freaking detail. No one mentioned RGs record at trial. Not a freaking peep about it. If there was anything noteworthy or good in it? The prosecutor would have talked about it. For.sure.

Yeah, I am thinking you are right. If RG was an upstanding, honorably discharged Marine with a stellar record, I am sure Schelhorn would have been sure to stress that.

Instead of stipulating to his lifelong drug use.

[DownYonder]

@Rhythm_Pace_Impulsion

From the first time I saw this pic what stood out to me was the large bruise in the temple area. I’ve had a bruise like that, came from taking a horse knee to the head. Makes me wonder if RG kneed MB in the head repeatedly, causing the unconsciousness and memory loss.
ETA spelling

I am guessing they pounded his head into the concrete.

[MorganSercu]

More than you ever wanted to know, right here.

Elbow Fracture Open Reduction and Internal Fixation

[MHM]

@Angela_Freda

I know a dislocation can be incredibly painful.
Thank you Dick Francis.

Another Dick Francis fan!!

The thought has actually crossed my mind throughout this whole saga that it reminds me of the Dick Francis book where the race horse trainer was forced to take on an apprentice jockey by the jockey’s interfering and very determined father.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@DownYonder

And they had to do an open reduction to reset the dislocation

A reduction is when a bone is literally broken apart, and it has to be reduced, which means the two (or more) pieces are fit back together. Open, I would presume means that it is done through an opening, or incision. My daughter had a reduction, and it was closed, done through her intact skin and tissues. Just painful beyond blieif. But if it was broken and needed to be reduced, it sounds much different from a dislocation, unless he had both a dislocation of the joint and a cracked open bone needing to be reduced.

[Angela_Freda]

@Jealoushe

I thought it was testified it was the cop saying that?

No, it was not.
You asked the same thing last week, which is when I painstakingly transcribed the 911 call for you, posted it here, correcting that misunderstanding. And tagged you so you couldn’t miss it.
But you did not respond to me wrt that, iirc.

@Jealoushe