Barisone Pleads Not Guilty

[La-LaPopRider]

@Cowgirl

I’ll take this one. By raising qualifying scores for freestyles, for example, they are causing people at the lower end of the spectrum of money (i.e. those that don’t have an international quality schoolmaster who is backed down five levels, for example) to have to show more to get qualifying scores to participate. Same for qualifying for regionals. Also those less likely to qualify because they live in the hinterlands without an instructor (a large part of the US) and have to travel hours to go to a show, have to go to more shows or simply give up because the mountain is too high to climb now. The rationale being given for qualifying score increases is often that the judges are tired of seeing “bad rides” (other way to look at this is NOT bad rides, but people learning, or people with show nerves on average horses) or the quality (i.e. number of well healed amateurs on expensive schoolmasters) has increased, requiring the change (why don’t you just say you only want to see international quality schoolmaster horses ridden by amateurs in full training with BNTs).

I am not worried about the qualifying scores increasing for my next generation of show horses, however I object to this change in dynamics in american dressage because the result is that is favors gaits over training and creates this mentality that you need to buy your medals through buying horses and professional coaching that most people with families and other financial obligations cannot justify. IF you really believe that dressage is for everyone, you will not put up with these constant increases in qualifying requirements that are against the wishes of the membership.

BTW, I have no opinion on the events that are subject to this thread, in case someone thinks they need to threaten me with a subpoena.

ETA: a show organizer from California did a report on comparing regional championship freestyle show entries in 2019 under the new qualifying rule to entries from 2018 when the rule was 3% less. There has been a 24% drop in participation.

100% agree!!! What they’re doing is really, really unfair & unacceptable. The only way it will change is if all the “regulars,” who compete at USEF comps in their regions, stop for a season, entirely. They won’t care if a select few opt to not participate. Has to be a unified thing. In fact, going further, if participating members cancelled their memberships for a year- it would be like the housing recession as an example- 800k homes being sold for 100k. USEF would be forced to lower prices and even Q scores for MFS. There is absolutely no reason a MFS Q score should need to be higher than a regular Q score. Which, is many times higher than a medal score.

It’s really hurting the livelihoods of MFS Choreographers who have lost so much business over this.

[Jenerationx]

When I pay attention to dressage it’s mostly all about those freestyles. I love watching a horse dance to the music. It’s a shame that there are fewer and fewer freestyles. There’s nothing really comparable in hunter/jumper land.

[MHM]

@La-LaPopRider

perhaps you should “verify,” my score averages… lowest, highest, and medians. The ONLY horse my score average could possibly be in the high 50’s… is , ironically, the GP schoolmaster I bought from Michael. The horses I bought to train myself (who cares they were imported?) with a trainer on the ground- have mid 60’s medians. One really bad score can bring an otherwise high score averaging horse to a median which isn’t the same as “your average score.” No one has perfect rides … or we’d all have 100%s every time. For example, my 4th level average is 62 or something. I’ve ridden 4-3 once and that was my score. Hardly an “average.” Had I not been shot, I’d have been at HITS on the 15th riding it again every day plus my first CDI at PSG. I’d have been riding my other horses at 3-3 to practice for GAIGS which were just a few weeks away. Qualifiers were earned prior to that.
If you ever DO bother to “investigate,” you’ll find most horses and riders (even the best one’s) have scores ranging from the 40’s to high 70’s. That’s the result of competing at as many available shows as possible. Another result of doing that is… experience & learning. And, year end awards- national, zone/region & all breed awards.
Ftr- the two “BNT,” trainers I have now have scores all over the place. But, they’ve both ridden in the Olympics and have other world class competition victories… That’s good enough for me! No complaints here.

@La-LaPopRider

Ok, that’s just dumb. If the sport were cheap as dirt, I’d still be doing it. Also, no competitive sports are “cheap.” Further, I’ve been eliminated 3 seconds after first half bc the judge (NOT THE TD whose responsibility it is to check) noticed blood on on the horse’s mouth. The “relationship,” didn’t “sour,” over that.!! He bit his lip when he spooked at a flower pot.

Part of the relationship going south on my end- was being forced to take lessons w JH when I was NOT paying for the Justin Hardin Dressage academy. I was paying for MB’s expertise. Unfortunately, a certain someone threw hissy fits anytime MB gave his PAYED FOR time to anyone else besides her. Even the young, gorgeous WORKING STUDENts! They weren’t having it. They outshined her & pretty much everyone else by being good riders - but they outshined “her,” by being young & beautiful. She wasn’t having it. So she berated them on numerous occasions & did everything she could to limit their horse lessons for the day. Meanwhile, they were the ones who rode the young horses when MH was too afraid. Of course, once these girls worked the issues out - suddenly MH wanted to take credit for it. The girls left. Even after almost making the YR team - They were treated HORRIBLY. No, that’s not a string enough word.

@La-LaPopRider

False. Listen to the 911 call AGAIN. He blatantly says “it’s past 9pm. “They’re not supposed to be in the barn past 9pm and they’re in barn.” He was not allowed to limit the hours. The DA’s office told him so. In any case, we weren’t even there when he made that call. We were totally unaware he even made such a false claim when we have cameras in our house which would prove the opposite. Also, we were specifically allowed to be there if we wanted/needed since mb himself agreed we should wrap our horse with cellulitis at 9:15 pm. He made that call before we got there thinking the cops would arrive 15 mins later & think he was telling the truth. Good thing they stopped at the house FIRST. To our surprise… seeing as though we had no idea cops were even called. Let’s just say, the written evidence provided to them by us was satisfactory & although we did go to the barn to wrap this mare- prob 5 mins after he made that call - we were back at the house just as cop cars were pulling in- about 15 mins later- just as Michael expected. In a way, I’m glad he pulled that stunt. It resulted in the township having to make him fully aware he could not, by law, limit the hours. His lies backfiring once again.
(Btw- this is just one incident I remember. There could’ve been other ones similar to this which may have been the result of that specific 911 call. NEVER did he say “7pm.” Check your facts.) Be sure these facts will be checked in court.

@La-LaPopRider

100% agree!!! What they’re doing is really, really unfair & unacceptable. The only way it will change is if all the “regulars,” who compete at USEF comps in their regions, stop for a season, entirely. They won’t care if a select few opt to not participate. Has to be a unified thing. In fact, going further, if participating members cancelled their memberships for a year- it would be like the housing recession as an example- 800k homes being sold for 100k. USEF would be forced to lower prices and even Q scores for MFS. There is absolutely no reason a MFS Q score should need to be higher than a regular Q score. Which, is many times higher than a medal score.

It’s really hurting the livelihoods of MFS Choreographers who have lost so much business over this.

[dudleyc]

@La-LaPopRider

. For example, my 4th level average is 62 or something. I’ve ridden 4-3 once and that was my score. Hardly an “average.” Had I not been shot, I’d have been at HITS on the 15th riding it again every day plus my first CDI at PSG. I’d have been riding my other horses at 3-3 to practice for GAIGS which were just a few weeks away. Qualifiers were earned prior to that.

I was at that show. Your horse was entered in the national PSG with MB as rider. Perhaps the plan was to change your entry to the CDI with you as rider…At the time, I remember thinking that whatever happened between you and MB happened recently and must have been really intense.

Good luck with your horses moving on

[Dragonfly90]

@trubandloki

Not being part of the PM group I can not be sure, but I can be sure that what you are saying is not even close to what GWE said. GWE said people are discussing via PM who might be an alter of who. Not sure how you made the leap from that to ‘how vile LK is’.

I questioned as to if this is done(I did not make a statement, I asked a question). There was evidence in the first thread on this topic that a group of people were discussing in PM all the vile things LK had done and then ganging up on any one posting a different opinion or calling out the victim shaming, accusing people being alters. It got really nasty to the point of people being banned, forum eventually closed. Never said the person that posted in this thread that people were “still” PM each other over the real identity of YD was in any group, I just asked if there seriously was a “group” doing that…which is exactly what was she said. It’s not a big jump at all when she then talks about how vile LK actions are in the same post that comments like those are also in PM conversations. Just asked if people do this, no judgement if they do, I just can imagine what more there is to say. She has answered since then, if I have this right… yes people do this, she was included in the PM, she did not make comments there, and LK was not discussed.
Beautiful day for a ride.

[ladyj79]

@Dragonfly90

since I think this is relating my joke about pming @Denali, let me just revisit my joke

I was accused of being an lk alter
Denali was accused of being an lk alter

And I made a joke that if I’m lk, and Denali is lk, then who am I pming about this trash heap?

it was a) a joke, kinda and b) not pms about alters

[GreenWithEnvy]

@La-LaPopRider

perhaps you should “verify,” my score averages… lowest, highest, and medians. The ONLY horse my score average could possibly be in the high 50’s… is , ironically, the GP schoolmaster I bought from Michael. The horses I bought to train myself (who cares they were imported?) with a trainer on the ground- have mid 60’s medians. One really bad score can bring an otherwise high score averaging horse to a median which isn’t the same as “your average score.” No one has perfect rides … or we’d all have 100%s every time. For example, my 4th level average is 62 or something. I’ve ridden 4-3 once and that was my score. Hardly an “average.” Had I not been shot, I’d have been at HITS on the 15th riding it again every day plus my first CDI at PSG. I’d have been riding my other horses at 3-3 to practice for GAIGS which were just a few weeks away. Qualifiers were earned prior to that.
If you ever DO bother to “investigate,” you’ll find most horses and riders (even the best one’s) have scores ranging from the 40’s to high 70’s. That’s the result of competing at as many available shows as possible. Another result of doing that is… experience & learning. And, year end awards- national, zone/region & all breed awards.
Ftr- the two “BNT,” trainers I have now have scores all over the place. But, they’ve both ridden in the Olympics and have other world class competition victories… That’s good enough for me! No complaints here.

Interesting,TWO Olympians are now your trainers. I sure hope they got iron-clad contracts from you covering many, many things.

FTR - you’ll have to show up to your lessons to learn to ride rather than skipping them. I DID go look at your scores over the past two years out of curiosity and was shocked at the number of scratches/no shows. You certainly weren’t trying to earn scores where the median would have changed with a low scoring ride (like NAYRC qualifying) so why not ride? You have to show up and ride to become a good rider. I’m sure you’ll blame this on “your trainer” entering you in classes you weren’t ready for…BS. Again, you have to show up for lessons and then practice to become better. Just being associated with an Olympic rider does not make you a winner or good rider. At some point in your life, you are going to have to take responsibility for what happens in your life rather than always being a victim and blaming others.

As far as what MB felt about MH at any time in her life, who cares? Why are you so obsessed with her and his relationship with her? No response needed…you seem to become obsessed with a few people.

[alibi_18]

This morning’s advice:

A good night’s sleep is as important as exercice for your physical and psychological well-being.

[GreenWithEnvy]

@La-LaPopRider

I just wanted to add here- you ARE right in a lot of ways. Judges have a type - not all- but plenty. When I mentioned “body shaming,” as one of the things I reported MB to SS for, it wasn’t a little “no big deal,” thing. He did this & he did it cruelly. For example, if 4 thin, long legged (bigger chested) girls were riding in the arena - but one or two more were short, overweight & not his taste of “pretty,” he would decide to make a whole speech about it.
Personally, a coach telling students that others need to adapt their body types to look like “these 4,” or they will go nowhere I I t’s inappropriate to pin point the reasons (it’s Pervy). Plus, imagine how the other girls felt! I wish I could say competitors aren’t judged on their fashion coordination & fanciness of the horses- (despite mistakes) but that wouldn’t be entirely true.
Even people who who were around back in the day & know MB’s gf from when she was a YR & had some success - almost all of them say “it wasn’t her riding ability, for sure. Her parents bought her this big black GP stallion & add to that a thin, young blonde girl, perfectly fashioned to horse show attire - she stood out & was scored accordingly.” Mb told us all the time if he were the judge for that competition (which is where he first saw her & “fell in love” - gross- think of that fir a second) she’d have been scored a 100%” . He told us to keep that in mind & im sure those with a less than satisfactory body type (according to him,) DID keep it mind… too much.
I have ALWAYS fought really hard for 2 things re competition:
1.) Handing in your freestyle floor plan ahead time - so people can’t just make things up if they miss their next musical cue.
2.) Live-streaming all recognized shows on a YouTube Dressage channel so everyone can see whoever they want riding any test. Or, at the very least, hiring videographers for each ring to then post each persons video on a subscription only Dressage channel via YouTube.
Show costs are enormously expensive anyway. If every competitor contributed 5-10 dollars per test extra- the videographers are paid by the show management & if there is a discrepancy in the score - or, if it seemed subjective, there’s video!
Turns out, all that HAS been done is making the necessary score to perform a freestyle much higher than even a score needed for GAIGS. Which is obviously ridiculous.

Seriously??? This thread took a tangent about the expense of showing pushing people out and YOU want to add more to entries for a videographer so the scores could be disputed at a later date? So dressage would have instant replays and referees? There already is a review process if you object to something a judge has said or done during a test. That process already has a cost applied to it as well. Hell, just demand an investigation as you’ve said you’ve done regarding your USDF Bronze Medal!!

If you want to “work hard” at changing the rules of the sport, perhaps you should work hard on getting on the Federation Rules Committee or any of the other committees of the sport. How many National Conventions or Regional Meetings have you attended to pursue your quest of changing the rules or even voice concerns? That would require effort on your part to actually show up and put your money where your mouth is as a volunteer with a passion to change the sport or participate to make the sport better for ALL, not just YR’s, Ammys’ Professionals, etc.

[YankeeDuchess]

@ladyj79

since I think this is relating my joke about pming @Denali, let me just revisit my joke

I was accused of being an lk alter
Denali was accused of being an lk alter

And I made a joke that if I’m lk, and Denali is lk, then who am I pming about this trash heap?

it was a) a joke, kinda and b) not pms about alters

No,
@Dragonfly90
was not referring to you and Denali PMing in her post.

Weeks ago, you, Denali, and I were each accused of being alters for LK.

Within the last week, Green stated that some posters were PMing as to whether I in particular was an LK alter. (She clarified that she herself would not SEND a PM to anyone discussing this, but supposedly knew about it because she had received a PM about it from the “others”. Of course.)

A moderator chimed in saying I was not an LK alter. I was NOT the one who alerted a moderator, so either the moderator was following the thread, or someone else did.

Someone also said at some point that “others” were speculating (presumably by PM) that I was “being coached” by LK (presumably by PM). So there seems to be a lot of PMing going on (but not by me.)

  Most recently I was asked if I were LKs lawyer father. Rather than denying it, I went with “No comment”.

[GiveEmEl]

@YankeeDuchess

No,
@Dragonfly90
was not referring to you and Denali PMing in her post.

Weeks ago, you, Denali, and I were each accused of being alters for LK.

Within the last week, Green stated that some posters were PMing as to whether I in particular was an LK alter. (She clarified that she herself would not SEND a PM to anyone discussing this, but supposedly knew about it because she had received a PM about it from the “others”. Of course.)

A moderator chimed in saying I was not an LK alter. I was NOT the one who alerted a moderator, so either the moderator was following the thread, or someone else did.

Someone also said at some point that “others” were speculating (presumably by PM) that I was “being coached” by LK (presumably by PM). So there seems to be a lot of PMing going on (but not by me.)

Most recently I was asked if I were LKs lawyer father. Rather than denying it, I went with “No comment”.

I swear a third of these threads is always devoted to who may or may not be an alter. You accused me and GWE of being the same person. Someone accused you of being LK. I’m sure there were more accusations about who was who.
I made a joke that we are all actually the same person.

[YankeeDuchess]

@GreenWithEnvy

Interesting,TWO Olympians are now your trainers. I sure hope they got iron-clad contracts from you covering many, many things.

FTR - you’ll have to show up to your lessons to learn to ride rather than skipping them. I DID go look at your scores over the past two years out of curiosity and was shocked at the number of scratches/no shows. You certainly weren’t trying to earn scores where the median would have changed with a low scoring ride (like NAYRC qualifying) so why not ride? You have to show up and ride to become a good rider. I’m sure you’ll blame this on “your trainer” entering you in classes you weren’t ready for…BS. Again, you have to show up for lessons and then practice to become better. Just being associated with an Olympic rider does not make you a winner or good rider. At some point in your life, you are going to have to take responsibility for what happens in your life rather than always being a victim and blaming others.

As far as what MB felt about MH at any time in her life, who cares? Why are you so obsessed with her and his relationship with her? No response needed…you seem to become obsessed with a few people.

Another perfect post from Green! She if offering free advice not only to LK but also to LKs new BNT trainers!

i am looking forward to the free advice she may offer me!

LK- I hope you can revel in your horses, your BNTs, your health, and the Wellington show season.

[RainWeasley]

I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.

[CanteringCarrot]

Am I the only one they doesn’t give a flip about whether or not someone is an alter?

[GreenWithEnvy]

@RainWeasley

I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: Perfection! I am the walrus. Thank you for that belly laugh!!

[YankeeDuchess]

@GiveEmEl

I swear a third of these threads is always devoted to who may or may not be an alter. You accused me and GWE of being the same person. Someone accused you of being LK. I’m sure there were more accusations about who was who.
I made a joke that we are all actually the same person.

   I apologize for accusing you and Green of being the same person. 

    But may I point out the unalterable fact that you, GiveEmEl, responded to a post that referred to GreenWithEnvy (and not to you) in eight minutes?

[GreenWithEnvy]

For those not familiar with MH and Fregat (liver chestnut, not black - that was Black Tie), here is an article about her phenomenal score (at the time) at the NAYRC winning Gold. Something tells me she deserved to win rather than simply given the win because she was thin and beautiful as LK eluded.

http://www.eurodressage.com/2003/08/28/mary-haskins-grey-and-fregat-2003-north-american-young-riders-champions

[GiveEmEl]

@YankeeDuchess

I apologize for accusing you and Green of being the same person.

But may I point out the unalterable fact that you, GiveEmEl, responded to a post that referred to GreenWithEnvy (and not to you) in eight minutes?

I respond to a lot of posts that aren’t directed at me. Which post was this?

ETA: thanks for the backhanded apology.

[ThreeFigs]

When DOES LaLa sleep?

[YankeeDuchess]

@GiveEmEl

I respond to a lot of posts that aren’t directed at me. Which post was this?

ETA: thanks for the backhanded apology.

Your MOST RECENT post, in which you called me out for saying you and GreenWithEnvy were the same person three weeks ago.