There were two eye witnesses, Justin and Mike and it was the hay fields not the woods. Are there even any woods on that farm?
IIRC, Mike is the one that told the story on the stand and it was after Justin was done with his testimony.
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Why assume they wouldn’t be cared for at the barn of a well-known and respected Olympic rider/trainer, with no allegations of horse abuse/neglect in his history?
Why assume the only course of action was to STAY ON THE SAME PREMISES where the “feared” abuse/neglect might take place, and esp. when it was clear that everyone else wanted you to LEAVE?
Why assume anyone would buy the BS that it was too difficult to move 4-5 horses on short notice?
Nope, she stayed because she was on a mission to destroy MB and get rid of MHG because by God, she was NOT going to be rejected.
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ED testified that he was calling LK to present a plan that seemed to work with Tarshis and JK when she was shot. I was not aware of any testimony that she knew of any alternative presented and refused to go. I don’t know where people are coming up with that.
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So I have not read all the replies. But as I see it Safesport is going to need to be careful here.
Let me say that I fully support Michael Barisone and if I had a horse anymore, I would do a clinic with him. Let me also say that Lauren Kanarek obviously rained down some horrible stuff on an already fragile person and he did not deserve that AT ALL.
BUT, if I were on Safesport, I would ask “We have an already fragile person who has been broken once. What if the next thing to make him break is something less sinister and less ongoing”
Take George Morris for instance. We know that he likes younger boys (I think). So, theoretically SS could say Fine George, you can only teach middle aged women.
But they don’t do that. It’s sort of all or nothing.
Is Safesport going to be able to lift this ban wondering if something ELSE sets Michael Barisone off in the future?
I am playing devil’s advocate here.
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I don’t think there’s really any way to compare MB’s situation to anything else safe sport has handled in the past. It is probably unlike anything they have seen before, especially since the organization only came into existence a few years ago.
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I don’t think he - John G was the chat name he used - was working at that particular barn, but he did say stuff that implied he may have been part of the social structure there or at least was in the social circles tied to the barn she was at. He kept repeating over and over that LK got him and his horse blacklisted and that he was fired from a $140K job because he wouldn’t give her a phone number (for someone important and prestigious, perhaps?), and she somehow got him fired over it, though he didn’t go into further detail about it beyond that, at least not on the day that I happened to see what was being posted. He might have said more at another time, as this was early in the trial. His posting on the day that I saw was somewhat incoherent and repetitive in regards to the supposed job loss and then he would talk about LK and RG, posting things that lined up with what others had said and made sense with what was already put out there about their behavior, from previous barns in NC.
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She had to know why he was calling, or that ED might be calling about negotiations… and ignored her phone.
Doesn’t sound like someone accepting that she’s gonna have to move, nor does it sound like someone afraid for her horses and desirous of getting them relocated somewhere safe.
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No one was normal. MB said he wanted to ruin her and had connections with USEF and USDF. MHG was calling barns to warn them. LK had screamed outside his room all night allegedly saying I’m going to ruin you. Mutually assured destruction.
My very good friend boards in this area not far from the city and she cited to me these prices. She currently pays $820 for a big stall and indoor with pastures available, hit/cold wash stall and barn does blanketing. 2 trainers are on property and training with them is extra.
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According to Seeker1, they used the 3 day (disorderly) timeline. When they don’t leave at 3 days, it is filed at the court and they can be evicted in as little as 3 weeks if the court is available cause holds up.
Yet another victim of poor reading comprehension in the name of preventing LK from blame.
No one is making anything up, just pointing out how completely illogical it is to believe that JK negotiated a move for up to two weeks for his supposedly independent adult daughter without ever once consulting her and the only time she ever heard of of the plan was via a lawyer after all the negotiations were complete? Not one person, especially her own father, gave her the dignity of informing her the impending arrangement or sought her input on the move before she received a letter demanding she move?
It’s quite frankly, unbelievable that her father did not approach her about the suitability of the place they were arranging before continuing forward in negotiating a move…unless it was never in good faith to begin with. Then I can see a valid reason for her father to having not included/informed LK of the arrangements.
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As I said before - I would think it would be a violation of MB’s civil rights if SS/USEF don’t drop the suspension once he has been fully released. Even convicted murderers get released from prison once they have done their time, despite the possibility that they may engage in more criminal acts (including additional murders) in the future.
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It was a stall and delay tactic while other parts of her plan came to be.
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Wow. I board 16 miles from 411 West Mill Road according to Google Maps, and that is far below what I pay and what I have heard others pay for with a similar set up. Granted, not Dressage… but not my experience. I would LOVE to pay that price.
Speculation, which we all do.
SafeSport concerns itself with private agency not public. There is no guarantee of Civil Rights as known in the court system.
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Yes, and I can imagine there are some very interesting - and perhaps heated - conversations occurring at SS and with their legal people.
But as others have pointed out, they won’t/can’t make a real decisions until they learn the outcome of MB’s competency hearing.
And does anyone know if an actual date has been set for the hearing?
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My understanding is that if he leaves the state, then conditions set by the judge for example to avoid LK is not clear. It would require a different state to enforce New Jersey law.
I linked Mr Tarshis’ testimony above. Again, he testified that he had been speaking to JK for at least a week, possibly two prior to the incident. They were working to and had found a barn close by with a PanAm Gold medal trainer that met LK’s specific needs. The Friday before the shooting, he was of the understanding that an arrangement had been made. When that fell apart, he first emailed her on the 5th to get gone, then served her on the 6th.
ED testified he was hired 24 Hrs before the shooting to handle the eviction or make other arrangements. He first met with them (JK, LK, and RG with his recorder) on August 6th.
So, while her dad is spending at least a week to negotiate with Mr Tarshis, and they are searching, and finding a barn that meets her needs, your presumption is Dad didn’t talk with LK? Why did he end up hiring an attorney for her after a week, possibly more, of his own negotiations that resulted in the eviction notices that Mr Tarshis said they all were trying to avoid?
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I think it will be a slippery slope if USEF takes any action on what MB might do in the future. They aren’t seers! If MB is released with normal outpatient treatment options with regular checking, he should not be penalized for having a mental illness for which he will be receiving treatment. LK, on the other hand, seems to continue her nasty behavior and actually has never stopped. Sad.
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