Barisone Safe Sport Update

[hut-ho78]

@ekat

@DownYonder

It seems to me to indicate that MB may not be eligible for “transfer” to FL after all. But I am not a lawyer so I may not be interpreting it correctly.

Ironically, the advisory committee in 2012 decided that a Krol acquittee is not eligible because he’s been acquitted and is therefore, not an offender.

That being said, ten years later, the current advisory committee may feel differently. There’s nothing in the actual decision that says they can’t ask.

Would there be a parallel administrative not criminal supervision outside of Krol?

[hut-ho78]

@Angela_Freda

@hut-ho78

@CurrentlyHorseless

What we know is that she didn’t leave within 24 hours of receiving the order to vacate, which was delivered on the 6th, not the 5th. What was the time period of the order to vacate? 30 days? 3 days?

If she was ordered on the 6th to vacate by 9th or 10th, we’ll never know whether or not she would have complied with the order because MB WAS INSANE and SHOT HER on the 7th.

According to Seeker1, they used the 3 day (disorderly) timeline. When they don’t leave at 3 days, it is filed at the court and they can be evicted in as little as 3 weeks if the court is available cause holds up.

The “order to vacate” was from the Fire Inspector, no?
You’re talking about the eviction notice, from SGF, which isn’t the same thing.

They sent evidence (photos) to the FM that they fixed the violation so they had a temporary release from vacate until an inspector could make it permanent.

[ekat]

@hut-ho78

Would there be a parallel administrative not criminal supervision outside of Krol

I feel like there has to be something like that, but honestly I haven’t had time to research too much yet. Maybe in the next few days.

[Maria]

problematic? I think that is an understatement. I would say so.

[BrownDerby]

@eggbutt

guess you didn’t watch as the camera zoomed in on Taylor who refused to look at Bilinkas or Barisone and never said a word to either other than reading the next steps. His face was flushed.

This was noted and commented on in the live comments.

[KurPlexed]

@hut-ho78

Really? Don’t shoe those horses

C’mon. So I really have to explain the difference? Are you even a horse person?

[Sdel]

@hut-ho78

You have no information as to the new story line that popped up that LK turned down a barn already but you now say I am only saying that to absolve LK.

Nope, not what happened, your changing the story to justify presenting my statements as something they are not. I am pointing out that it is outside the range of normal and logical to believe that a parent of an adult made arrangements for an independent adult child’s property and living conditions without even so much as a discussion with them before doing so. Something is fishy there, or there is something about the adult-child relationship that is not as healthy or as independent as it seems.

And obviously LK turned down the barn that was prearranged, because she didn’t follow through with the arrangement. Quite frankly, that might actually have been the most understandable reaction, but who I would be pissed at would be my parent.

[Knights_Mom]

That whole Fire Marshal thing is sketchy because even if their apartment was good to go it was still within a building that was not yet up to code.

[eggbutt]

I’m still wondering how skipping 1 shoeing would be considered critical abuse.

[ekat]

@BrownDerby

This was noted and commented on in the live comments.

Somehow I thought he was just annoyed (not quite right word) that he wasn’t done with the case and that he was going to have to have at least one more hearing, if not more. An acquittal means you’re done. A conviction means sentencing, and you’re done. But there’s no way of saying, as of the moment of the verdict when he’s done. Plus, Krol hearings sound like a bit of a pain in the rear end from what I’ve read. So now he has that.

And, hindsight at all, it kind of has started out post acquittal in a very painful way, what with the delays so far.

[Maria]

Because when the owner is supposed to be the center of attention of the BNT, so are their horses.

By default, she was abused by not being the center of attention and therefore so were her horses.

[KurPlexed]

@hut-ho78

problematic boarder

Is that really how you view LK?

Imo a problematic boarder is one who…idk… is late with rent regularly, leaves the water on frequently, doesn’t clean up poop in the indoor etc.

How can you sit here and categorize LK as simply problematic? Really. Would you want her on your barn?

[Syrynx]

I live 25 miles from Long Valley in nw NJ and pay $650 for a shed row stall on a 52 acre farm with a new indoor, a big outdoor, trails, xcountry field, 3 wash racks - one with hot & cold water, an indoor bathroom and amazing care. Blanketing and applying fly spray/masks/boots all included. Training rides and/or lessons at least once a week are required but extra, at a reasonable cost.

Board in the stalls attached to the indoor is $750.

It’s mostly adult boarders and believe it or not, friendly and drama free. There are a lot of young 'uns in the lesson program but they are rarely underfoot.

Bonus for me, it’s only 3 miles from my house too!

And yes, I do know how incredibly fortunate I am.

[PDDT]

He was acquitted of attempted murder. He was found, in a court of law to not have the mental capacity to form the intent to try to kill her. So what is the basis for your comment?

[eggbutt]

It’s called the “just cause” syndrome. JUST CAUSE that’s what I want to believe or was told or whatever.

[Knights_Mom]

Ha! Just cause has another meaning too!

[smoofox]

@hut-ho78

I have said and keep saying that she should have moved her horses. However, fears for her horses’ safety in a barn with deteriorating relations culminating in her being shot twice are reasonable. It wouldn’t have to be limited to fear of violence as neglect could be as deadly, empty water buckets, neglected small injuries that turn into cellulitis, a missed colic until it is too late.

And all of those issues can happen at even the fanciest barns. A tiny knick that can blossom into cellulitis can easily escape notice. A “missed colic” all depends on the horse - some are stoic and simply stand in a different spot in their stall as opposed to rolling and thrashing and sweating. Was there any evidence or even the remotest suggestion that the horses would be neglected? Or just LK’s paranoias and need to stir the pot and Finish The Bastard?

You are suggesting that the horses would be harmed intentionally - as per LK’s hints/lies/whatever.

Here - I will give you another scenario so you can use it to make more excuses… even though there is not need to help LK with the CYA sh-stuff…

I walked into the barn one morning to start feeding. I came to a buckskin mare in her stall who called to me but did not move. No shavings on her… she had not been down… she had obviously pooped and peed but she was standing very oddly. She had been perfectly fine at the 11:00 check the night before.
Called vet in - sometime between about 11:30 and 6:00 a.m. she had managed to dislocate her hip in the most severe extreme way. Without falling, getting cast, rolling etc. Surgery was not even an option.

Sooooo… now you can hypothesize that LK’s horses would somehow be manipulated into somehow dislocating a hip by some tricky MB evildoer in the middle of the night because of course those things happen all the time, everywhere…

@hut-ho78

@eggbutt

@hut-ho78

I’m not saying that her horses may have been in danger. I’m saying her fears in that situation were understandable.

Hmmmm, similar to MB’s fears? Were her fears delusional? Had there been any previous evidence of any horse not being cared for properly? Remember, didn’t she absolutely insist MB/MHG wanted her horses for themselves and that was the reason for the alleged murder plot - man, that never made sense - so why on earth would they not care for horses they were lusting to own?

Why on earth would she think they would care for her horses if they wanted her out to the point of being shot twice?

She should have left. Obviously.

Seriously??!!
Why on earth would you think that they would not care for horses in their care, in their barn, no matter who owned them? It is not the horses’ fault. I have cared for - and fought for - many horses who were blessed with extremely unpleasant and even nasty owners.

I cannot believe the flaming hoops you are willing to jump through here…

@hut-ho78

No one was normal. MB said he wanted to ruin her and had connections with USEF and USDF. MHG was calling barns to warn them. LK had screamed outside his room all night allegedly saying I’m going to ruin you. Mutually assured destruction.

We called nearby barns to warn them about the lying, abusive barn manager we had just fired. It is called helping each other out - imagine that. We have received emails about boarders in the area to avoid at all costs - complete with photos of the unfortunate horses stuck with these idiots as owners. I am puzzled as to why you find MHG calling other barns to be any kind of an issue. IT IS NORMAL.

And if you owned a barn - would you want a boarder/student acting like that to stay on your property???!!

What we know is that she didn’t leave within 24 hours of receiving the order to vacate, which was delivered on the 6th, not the 5th. What was the time period of the order to vacate? 30 days? 3 days?

If she was ordered on the 6th to vacate by 9th or 10th, we’ll never know whether or not she would have complied with the order because MB WAS INSANE and SHOT HER on the 7th.

According to Seeker1, they used the 3 day (disorderly) timeline. When they don’t leave at 3 days, it is filed at the court and they can be evicted in as little as 3 weeks if the court is available cause holds up.

Things were going south long before that - as proved by her telling tales on FB and the many offers she had to help move horses etc. This was not an overnight decision or discussion - no matter how hard you seem to want to twist things to make it seem that way.

Just to be clear, I am not absolving LK of bad judgment and poor behavior.

And yet you do. You have been going through contortions to make excuses for her… to ignore facts… to make more excuses…

What I have done is point out that MB had a lot more going on in his life to stress him out and cause him to have a mental breakdown and be in a delusion than one problematic boarder. I’m happy to repeat all that if you have forgotten.

One problematic border?? A problematic boarder is late with the board check. A problematic boarder whines that the arena should only be for their personal use whenever they deign to show up.

A problematic boarder does not scream outside all night about ruining you, brag about how she enjoys targeting people, put up microphones and cameras on your property, harass, threaten and enjoy playing her little games. That is not problematic - that is almost psychotic. Or drug-influenced. Or both.

And yet you keep making excuses…

[DownYonder]

@eggbutt

I guess you didn’t watch as the camera zoomed in on Taylor who refused to look at Bilinkas or Barisone and never said a word to either other than reading the next steps. His face was flushed.

To be fair, Taylor did say “very good” at least twice after the verdicts were read, and again as he was mentioning the next steps. I did notice that his face seemed to get a bit redder at times, but if he was angry about the verdict, he managed to keep his emotions out of his voice.

I am sure the verdict was a disappointment to him esp. if he had (as KK alleged) indicated to the K’s that he thought MB was guilty or that the case was a slam-dunk. But he did seem to deal with the verdict in a rather professional manner.

[PDDT]

@hut-ho78

MB said he wanted to ruin her and had connections with USEF and USDF. MHG was calling barns to warn them.

I don’t recall that from the trial. Who testified to that?

[DownYonder]

@smoofox

You have been going through contortions to make excuses for her… to ignore facts… to make more excuses…

I am not going to quote your entire post (in the interest of saving space) but I wanted you to know that I cannot love your post enough.

Well done.