Barisone Safe Sport Update

[eggbutt]

I explained my comment to you above. I have no idea why Ignore/Mute is not working. I will request help so I don’t bother you with my responses.

[Rhythm_Pace_Impulsion]

Or with one who chooses not to be informed

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

@Sdel

@hut-ho78

@Sdel

@CurrentlyHorseless

She didn’t believe in her heart of hearts that she would actually be shot. How was she supposed to know he was delusional and insane if MHG and RC had not noticed?

Then the plot was non existent and she’s made it all up for attention and to justify her actions.

LK said on SM words to the effect of once she was shot the interpretation of the meaning of the tapes changed. I interpreted that to mean they were in actuality trying to get her off the premises but the same words could be interpreted as a murder plot.

Only to someone looking to justify their bad behavior to others. No one outside the situation has put any stock in this murder plot. The prosecution never even implied it was a planned attack in their opening/closing statements. Never implied that RC brought the gun at anyone’s direction for a specific purpose. Made no attempt to issue conspiracy charges for RC/MHG. In fact, the prosecution used an entirely different source than LK claims to have for the words “get rid of her” in terms of an eviction. SS/USEF have not acted on them either.

So, all of this tells me, that those tapes are not as advertised, at all, by any rational person’s interpretation. Of course, certain mental conditions feature a tendency for making stuff up and justifying behavior for things that aren’t real.

I agree with much of what you say but not the part where she used it to justify her actions. Again, it’s not paranoia if you get shot. It’s very understandable she and her family could think it is a conspiracy, especially because RC brought the weapon.

I think they were trying to say words to the effect of get rid of her meaning get her out not get rid of her as in Becket - will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest.

They had also decided to ruin her with his connections at USEF and USDF so not just her trying to ruin him.

Kind of puts all of the agencies in a pickle since she was shot. My guess is they will monitor everyone and if he is deemed completely safe, reinstate him. I really hope he can recover and the verdict is one which allows that.

I hope she keeps riding and training. It seems like this was important to her. I’ve seen so many people get discouraged with just high vet bills or bad trainers or over horsed. This would be tough the overcome.

It is paranoia and so much more if you get shot while assaulting someone and beating their head in violently.

Just saying.

[Dragonfly90]

Not having a horse’s feet correctly done in a timely manner can cause great damage and issues that can take a long time to correct.
I doubt that directive was issued to abuse the horses but certainly a form of harassment to encourage them to leave.
It would certainly upset me as the horse owner as would my trainer sending in the second team to give me lessons or train my horses if that was not the agreement. Lots of bad decisions and destructive behavior that escalated the situation all around.

[Knights_Mom]

@IPEsq

And didn’t see it posted - this is the definition of Criminal Disposition.

It is a violation of the Code for a Participant to be or have been subject to any disposition or resolution of a criminal proceeding, other than an adjudication of not guilty, including, but not limited to: an adjudication of guilt or admission to a criminal violation, a plea to the charge or a lesser included offense, a plea of no contest, any plea analogous to an Alford or Kennedy plea, the disposition of the proceeding through a diversionary program, deferred adjudication, deferred prosecution, disposition of supervision, conditional dismissal, juvenile delinquency adjudication, or similar arrangement.

Does this include grooms? Because if it does then RG shouldn’t be on showgrounds. He’s been convicted.

[MHM]

@Sdel

@MHM

@Sdel

As I have to tell my children all the time, if you have to say “but” then you didn’t mean what you said to begin with.

I feel like I’m going to be turning that one over in my head for a while.

I’m sorry I hit Johnny, but Johnny stuck his tongue out at me.

Suzie shouldn’t have ripped up Maggie’s homework but Maggie wouldn’t play with her on the playground.

The purpose of “but” is to justify or minimize a behavior not accept responsibility, or generally to add conditions onto a statement.

Linguistic tangent.

Not always.

If I say, for example, “I love my horse, but I wish he wouldn’t snort on me,” that does not mean I don’t love my horse. Even when he snorts on me.

Or, “My dog is adorable, but she is the cutest when she snores,” means she is still adorable when she’s awake.

[hut-ho78]

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

@trubandloki

@DownYonder

@trubandloki

@eggbutt

And based on Seeker1 saying Taylor had told her MB was guilty after hearing the recordings is deeply troubling to me. Why was a judge involved with any discovery pretrial and why did he form an opinion and share it with Kirby Kanarek? Is he a family friend? Regardless, her comment sure reeks of bias. He should not be involved in the evaluation phase of MB’s AK report.

This is a good point. Is there some way to bring this problem up to the court system? It is kind of scary if this happened.

If it did indeed happen, I would think Bilinkas would be all over it. For all we know, the NJ Judicial Review Commission (or whatever it is called) may already be looking at the evidence.

So, Seeker is not being honest? < Gasp >

@eggbutt

Since Kirby’s revelation that Judge Taylor made inappropriate comments to her regarding Barisone’s guilt or innocence, I’ve pondered the Kanarek involvement with ALL the officials in this case, from the police department to the building inspector breaking protocol and allowing LK to stay in the house but not advise MB, to possibly a biased judge. I’m certainly not paranoid but I do understand conspiracy in small towns influenced by a wealthy influencer. Coincidence? Uh-huh.

Don’t forget the police calling the DA and the DA saying that Lauren is allowed to go anywhere she wants on the property at any time, MB was not allowed to restrict her access.

That goes into tenant rights.

No it doesn’t. A right to domicile is for the house and where she lives in the house but not the barn. The barn is a service provider not a domicile.

It was all one property without subdivision. She had horses in the barn so she would be expected to follow barn rules the same as anyone else and show respect for others which is sounds like she did not if there was loud music and lights on late at night.

[IPEsq]

Grooms are not required to be members.

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

@trubandloki

@DownYonder

@trubandloki

@eggbutt

And based on Seeker1 saying Taylor had told her MB was guilty after hearing the recordings is deeply troubling to me. Why was a judge involved with any discovery pretrial and why did he form an opinion and share it with Kirby Kanarek? Is he a family friend? Regardless, her comment sure reeks of bias. He should not be involved in the evaluation phase of MB’s AK report.

This is a good point. Is there some way to bring this problem up to the court system? It is kind of scary if this happened.

If it did indeed happen, I would think Bilinkas would be all over it. For all we know, the NJ Judicial Review Commission (or whatever it is called) may already be looking at the evidence.

So, Seeker is not being honest? < Gasp >

@eggbutt

Since Kirby’s revelation that Judge Taylor made inappropriate comments to her regarding Barisone’s guilt or innocence, I’ve pondered the Kanarek involvement with ALL the officials in this case, from the police department to the building inspector breaking protocol and allowing LK to stay in the house but not advise MB, to possibly a biased judge. I’m certainly not paranoid but I do understand conspiracy in small towns influenced by a wealthy influencer. Coincidence? Uh-huh.

Don’t forget the police calling the DA and the DA saying that Lauren is allowed to go anywhere she wants on the property at any time, MB was not allowed to restrict her access.

That goes into tenant rights.

No it doesn’t. A right to domicile is for the house and where she lives in the house but not the barn. The barn is a service provider not a domicile.

It was all one property without subdivision. She had horses in the barn so she would be expected to follow barn rules the same as anyone else and show respect for others which is sounds like she did not if there was loud music and lights on late at night.

Sorry. It doesn’t work like that.

[eggbutt]

Why didn’t/couldn’t RG have negotiated with the farrier to do the work and he or LK would pay him themselves that day?

[Knights_Mom]

@eggbutt

Why didn’t/couldn’t RG have negotiated with the farrier to do the work and he or LK would pay him themselves that day?

Because that doesn’t uphold the tale of woe of LK.

[eggbutt]

Sort of like simply unplugging a broken dryer.

[MHM]

@eggbutt

Why didn’t/couldn’t RG have negotiated with the farrier to do the work and he or LK would pay him themselves that day?

Speaking strictly as a matter of practicality, would they have been likely to have enough cash on hand that day to pay for the shoeing bill on four horses? So maybe $800-$1000 or more, depending on what the farrier typically charged? I believe she testified in court that her dad was the one who had possession of the physical checkbook.

[Sdel]

@hut-ho78

I agree with much of what you say but not the part where she used it to justify her actions. Again, it’s not paranoia if you get shot. It’s very understandable she and her family could think it is a conspiracy, especially because RC brought the weapon

No, it’s evidence of an unhealthy mental state. It’s a very common unhealthy dynamic that has been on display throughout the trial and on the forums. It’s very easy to spot when you aren’t too busy trying to deny it. That is why everyone keeps telling Seeker to get LK help.

Murder plots that don’t exist and secret recordings are common, repetitive features of paranoia. The repeated assertion of a murder plot, in the absence of related criminal charges, is libel.

You really should take your lead from the rational people connected to the case and they never once insinuated that there was a plot. This is direct evidence to the fact that this “plot” is the result of disordered and unhealthy thinking displayed by the whole family.

Something so vague as to be unrecognizable in the moment, and only after the fact, is direct evidence of the twisting to justify. She needs an excuse to absolve how her outrageous behavior and libelous claims were designed to break a man. It’s a distraction, to get people to ignore her bad behavior and to get out of being accountable. There is a reason why LK has never released these tapes. She certainly has no internal filter that makes me think she would have any hesitation in doing so……unless she knows they don’t say what she says they say.

[Knights_Mom]

@Sdel

@hut-ho78

I agree with much of what you say but not the part where she used it to justify her actions. Again, it’s not paranoia if you get shot. It’s very understandable she and her family could think it is a conspiracy, especially because RC brought the weapon

No, it’s evidence of an unhealthy mental state. It’s a very common unhealthy dynamic that has been on display throughout the trial and on the forums. It’s very easy to spot when you aren’t too busy trying to deny it. That is why everyone keeps telling Seeker to get LK help.

Murder plots that don’t exist and secret recordings are common, repetitive features of paranoia. The repeated assertion of a murder plot, in the absence of related criminal charges, is libel.

You really should take your lead from the rational people connected to the case and they never once insinuated that there was a plot. This is direct evidence to the fact that this “plot” is the result of disordered and unhealthy thinking displayed by the whole family.

Something so vague as to be unrecognizable in the moment, and only after the fact, is direct evidence of the twisting to justify. She needs an excuse to absolve how her outrageous behavior and libelous claims were designed to break a man. It’s a distraction, to get people to ignore her bad behavior and to get out of being accountable. There is a reason why LK has never released these tapes. She certainly has no internal filter that makes me think she would have any hesitation in doing so……unless she knows they don’t say what she says they say.

She knows.

[enjoytheride]

Harassment or someone wasn’t paying their bills? Is the trainer supposed to pay for farrier work on his own if the owners aren’t?

[trubandloki]

@KurPlexed

You know. It really is amazing that you (a few of you) pick apart MB (elderly, depressed, delusional, divorced, cheater, money issues, young girl chaser, possible abuser, bad business man, etc) and yet you summarize LK as “problematic”.

This really speaks volumes.

Well said!

[Knights_Mom]

With every post of the pro LK clan it becomes more and more pronounced that there is no excuse too absurd to excuse her malignant behavior.

Who the hell would pay for shoes on four horses for a person who should be leaving when you know you’ll never in a million years get that money back?

LK was the owner and its her job to secure shoeing. Just like every other owner does but for a few.

Enough already!!

[trubandloki]

@enjoytheride

Harassment or someone wasn’t paying their bills? Is the trainer supposed to pay for farrier work on his own if the owners aren’t?

Silly you, remember that MB in theory needed THEIR money, per so many posters…

[Sdel]

@MHM

@Sdel

@MHM

@Sdel

As I have to tell my children all the time, if you have to say “but” then you didn’t mean what you said to begin with.

I feel like I’m going to be turning that one over in my head for a while.

I’m sorry I hit Johnny, but Johnny stuck his tongue out at me.

Suzie shouldn’t have ripped up Maggie’s homework but Maggie wouldn’t play with her on the playground.

The purpose of “but” is to justify or minimize a behavior not accept responsibility, or generally to add conditions onto a statement.

Linguistic tangent.

Not always.

If I say, for example, “I love my horse, but I wish he wouldn’t snort on me,” that does not mean I don’t love my horse. Even when he snorts on me.

Or, “My dog is adorable, but she is the cutest when she snores,” means she is still adorable when she’s awake.

In both of those statements but is applying a conditional modifier to the clause before the but. You are actually lessening the clause before “but” by comparing it to the clause after but.