Barisone Safe Sport Update

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@trubandloki

@hut-ho78

What I have done is point out that MB had a lot more going on in his life to stress him out and cause him to have a mental breakdown and be in a delusion than one problematic boarder.

So how do you know that? Do you know him personally? Did he tell you that?

Divorce
“Hard to feel good after being clipped for $965,000.” (Divorce again)
New girlfriend.
Loss of income (ex-wife’s)
Loss of business manager (wife)
Possible aging issues with 8-9 concussions (court)
Ice storm and house damage

[Sdel]

@MHM

@eggbutt

Why didn’t/couldn’t RG have negotiated with the farrier to do the work and he or LK would pay him themselves that day?

Speaking strictly as a matter of practicality, would they have been likely to have enough cash on hand that day to pay for the shoeing bill on four horses? So maybe $800-$1000 or more, depending on what the farrier typically charged? I believe she testified in court that her dad was the one who had possession of the physical checkbook.

Apparently LK didn’t have any problems directly paying all of MB’s workers for him. Surely she could have figured out how to Venmo the farrier as well…

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@KurPlexed

@hut-ho78

Really? Don’t shoe those horses

C’mon. So I really have to explain the difference? Are you even a horse person?

Thank you for an example of how you treat people who disagree with you.

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@Sdel

@hut-ho78

You have no information as to the new story line that popped up that LK turned down a barn already but you now say I am only saying that to absolve LK.

Nope, not what happened, your changing the story to justify presenting my statements as something they are not. I am pointing out that it is outside the range of normal and logical to believe that a parent of an adult made arrangements for an independent adult child’s property and living conditions without even so much as a discussion with them before doing so. Something is fishy there, or there is something about the adult-child relationship that is not as healthy or as independent as it seems.

And obviously LK turned down the barn that was prearranged, because she didn’t follow through with the arrangement. Quite frankly, that might actually have been the most understandable reaction, but who I would be pissed at would be my parent.

I don’t agree or disagree with most of your comments here except where you say I changed the story.

Is it possible for you to attempt to make a point without a personal attack?

Thank you too for examples of how you treat people who disagree with you.

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@eggbutt

I’m still wondering how skipping 1 shoeing would be considered critical abuse.

We had moved on to neglect.

[MHM]

@Sdel

Apparently LK didn’t have any problems directly paying all of MB’s workers for him.

Luckily for me, I think I missed that whole conversation. Lol.

[trubandloki]

Wow, some people can just not stand to have a thread that discusses LK and her clan stay active so they just go about insulting everyone who posts.

[MHM]

@hut-ho78

@trubandloki

@hut-ho78

What I have done is point out that MB had a lot more going on in his life to stress him out and cause him to have a mental breakdown and be in a delusion than one problematic boarder.

So how do you know that? Do you know him personally? Did he tell you that?

Divorce
“Hard to feel good after being clipped for $965,000.” (Divorce again)
New girlfriend.
Loss of income (ex-wife’s)
Loss of business manager (wife)
Possible aging issues with 8-9 concussions (court)
Ice storm and house damage

Wait, you forgot your previous hypothetical charge about his virility issues.

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@MHM

@Sdel

Apparently LK didn’t have any problems directly paying all of MB’s workers for him.

Luckily for me, I think I missed that whole conversation. Lol.

It was on YouTube.

[MHM]

@Sdel

@MHM

@Sdel

Apparently LK didn’t have any problems directly paying all of MB’s workers for him.

Luckily for me, I think I missed that whole conversation. Lol.

It was on YouTube.

I did not feel any urge at all to look at her comments there. Hard pass, thanks.

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@PDDT

He was acquitted of attempted murder. He was found, in a court of law to not have the mental capacity to form the intent to try to kill her. So what is the basis for your comment?

Are you asking the basis for my question as to how would LK and family think the horses would be cared for by the same people who just shot her twice and whom she had been at odds with before? It seems that all parties were concerned with safety and horse care. RC was sleeping in the barn aisle outside of Didi’s stall. LK was worried about barn fires. Her family was worried about horse care after she was shot twice. It was a deteriorating situation. This all came out in court.

[BigMama1]

@hut-ho78

They had also decided to ruin her with his connections at USEF and USDF so not just her trying to ruin him.

They had decided to try and have the USEF hold her accountable for her actions under the rules of the USEF. That is hardly the same as trying to “ruin” someone.

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@smoofox

@hut-ho78

I have said and keep saying that she should have moved her horses. However, fears for her horses’ safety in a barn with deteriorating relations culminating in her being shot twice are reasonable. It wouldn’t have to be limited to fear of violence as neglect could be as deadly, empty water buckets, neglected small injuries that turn into cellulitis, a missed colic until it is too late.

And all of those issues can happen at even the fanciest barns. A tiny knick that can blossom into cellulitis can easily escape notice. A “missed colic” all depends on the horse - some are stoic and simply stand in a different spot in their stall as opposed to rolling and thrashing and sweating. Was there any evidence or even the remotest suggestion that the horses would be neglected? Or just LK’s paranoias and need to stir the pot and Finish The Bastard?

You are suggesting that the horses would be harmed intentionally - as per LK’s hints/lies/whatever.

Here - I will give you another scenario so you can use it to make more excuses… even though there is not need to help LK with the CYA sh-stuff…

I walked into the barn one morning to start feeding. I came to a buckskin mare in her stall who called to me but did not move. No shavings on her… she had not been down… she had obviously pooped and peed but she was standing very oddly. She had been perfectly fine at the 11:00 check the night before.
Called vet in - sometime between about 11:30 and 6:00 a.m. she had managed to dislocate her hip in the most severe extreme way. Without falling, getting cast, rolling etc. Surgery was not even an option.

Sooooo… now you can hypothesize that LK’s horses would somehow be manipulated into somehow dislocating a hip by some tricky MB evildoer in the middle of the night because of course those things happen all the time, everywhere…

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@eggbutt

@hut-ho78

I’m not saying that her horses may have been in danger. I’m saying her fears in that situation were understandable.

Hmmmm, similar to MB’s fears? Were her fears delusional? Had there been any previous evidence of any horse not being cared for properly? Remember, didn’t she absolutely insist MB/MHG wanted her horses for themselves and that was the reason for the alleged murder plot - man, that never made sense - so why on earth would they not care for horses they were lusting to own?

Why on earth would she think they would care for her horses if they wanted her out to the point of being shot twice?

She should have left. Obviously.

Seriously??!!
Why on earth would you think that they would not care for horses in their care, in their barn, no matter who owned them? It is not the horses’ fault. I have cared for - and fought for - many horses who were blessed with extremely unpleasant and even nasty owners.

I cannot believe the flaming hoops you are willing to jump through here…

@hut-ho78

No one was normal. MB said he wanted to ruin her and had connections with USEF and USDF. MHG was calling barns to warn them. LK had screamed outside his room all night allegedly saying I’m going to ruin you. Mutually assured destruction.

We called nearby barns to warn them about the lying, abusive barn manager we had just fired. It is called helping each other out - imagine that. We have received emails about boarders in the area to avoid at all costs - complete with photos of the unfortunate horses stuck with these idiots as owners. I am puzzled as to why you find MHG calling other barns to be any kind of an issue. IT IS NORMAL.

And if you owned a barn - would you want a boarder/student acting like that to stay on your property???!!

What we know is that she didn’t leave within 24 hours of receiving the order to vacate, which was delivered on the 6th, not the 5th. What was the time period of the order to vacate? 30 days? 3 days?

If she was ordered on the 6th to vacate by 9th or 10th, we’ll never know whether or not she would have complied with the order because MB WAS INSANE and SHOT HER on the 7th.

According to Seeker1, they used the 3 day (disorderly) timeline. When they don’t leave at 3 days, it is filed at the court and they can be evicted in as little as 3 weeks if the court is available cause holds up.

Things were going south long before that - as proved by her telling tales on FB and the many offers she had to help move horses etc. This was not an overnight decision or discussion - no matter how hard you seem to want to twist things to make it seem that way.

Just to be clear, I am not absolving LK of bad judgment and poor behavior.

And yet you do. You have been going through contortions to make excuses for her… to ignore facts… to make more excuses…

What I have done is point out that MB had a lot more going on in his life to stress him out and cause him to have a mental breakdown and be in a delusion than one problematic boarder. I’m happy to repeat all that if you have forgotten.

One problematic border?? A problematic boarder is late with the board check. A problematic boarder whines that the arena should only be for their personal use whenever they deign to show up.

A problematic boarder does not scream outside all night about ruining you, brag about how she enjoys targeting people, put up microphones and cameras on your property, harass, threaten and enjoy playing her little games. That is not problematic - that is almost psychotic. Or drug-influenced. Or both.

And yet you keep making excuses…

Thank you for another example of how you treat anyone with a different opinion.

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@DownYonder

@smoofox

You have been going through contortions to make excuses for her… to ignore facts… to make more excuses…

I am not going to quote your entire post (in the interest of saving space) but I wanted you to know that I cannot love your post enough.

Well done.

Thank you for examples of how you treat people with differing opinions.

[BigMama1]

The difference is everyone else on the property was afraid of LK doing something to put the horse and barn in danger. The only who claims to have been afraid that MB or staff would harm the horses is LK.

Who is more credible? The pathological liar or multiple reputable professionals?

[eggbutt]

She used to pay her NC farrier via Venmo, his preferred method of payment other than cash.

[Dragonfly90]

@eggbutt

Why didn’t/couldn’t RG have negotiated with the farrier to do the work and he or LK would pay him themselves that day?

My impression was the farrier was told not to do them. Didn’t RG confront the farrier because he wouldn’t do them? If the BO tells the barn farrier not to do a boarder’s horse(s) I doubt he/she would go over BO head even if they asked if they could pay direct. Aside, every barn I have boarded at if you are not present to pay you are left a bill. Most barn owner I have known could not afford to pay for everyone’s horse and then try to collect later.

[MHM]

@Dragonfly90

Aside, every barn I have boarded at if you are not present to pay you are left a bill. Most barn owner I have known could not afford to pay for everyone’s horse and then try to collect later.

There are barns where it is standard practice for the barn owner to pay the farrier that day and then bill the owners afterwards, whether or not you have ever been in such a barn.

[eggbutt]

Agreed! Most farriers I know in the area also want the owner to have the horse(s) quickly available with someone to head them while they work. Then they expect payment then and there. Venmo has quickly become a preferred payment because it eliminates the “oh dear, I forgot my checkbook!”.

[Dragonfly90]

@MHM

@Dragonfly90

Aside, every barn I have boarded at if you are not present to pay you are left a bill. Most barn owner I have known could not afford to pay for everyone’s horse and then try to collect later.

There are barns where it is standard practice for the barn owner to pay the farrier that day and then bill the owners afterwards, whether or not you have ever been in such a barn.

I don’t doubt that at all. No argument.