Barisone Trial Starting Monday, 3/28

[hut-ho78]

@Angela_Freda

@EmilyM

It also seemed almost like a tactic to hold them hostage in an unfinished home but I could be reading into the matter

Oh, definitely, RG can’t finish the job, cause then they owe MB for all he does for her horses… So they have to really drag his feet in this work.

Someone testified that there was someone else doing work. They showed pics of the work that RG says he did on the barn, and he mentioned another worker also being involved (this us when he mentions not doing more work than the horses care cost)… I’d lime to hear from that other person doing that Reno work. I bet they heard Or were involved in some interesting conversations.

The defense lawyer and RG testified that MB sent a barn employee to help RG lay tile as RG said it is easier with two.

[eggbutt]

@Sticky_Situation

What kind of payment arrangement did LK have with MB when she first started training with him and he was still with his ex-wife and MHG wasn’t around yet?

Was she/her dad just paying a straight board/training fee like his other clients at that point? Using RG’s renovations to barter for board/training didn’t happen til later, right?

Let’s correct one huge error in @hut-ho78’s post…MB and VB were already separated and she had moved on by the time LK entered the scene. LK seems to like everyone thinking she has been in MB’s life much longer than she really has.

[Justice_for_Horses]

I’m confused about verdict choices.

Is it not guilty as in he didn’t shoot her.
Is it not guilty due to insanity.
Is it not guilty due to self defense.
In polls where not guilty is overwhelming, how do we know which of the above is meant.

[MHM]

@Sticky_Situation

Using RG’s renovations to barter for board/training didn’t happen til later, right?

I believe that came up when they returned to New Jersey in the spring of 2019, after the water damage from the frozen/broken pipe in the farmhouse during the early winter of 2019 when everyone was in Florida.

[cutter99]

@hut-ho78, do you honestly believe MB would have had to attempted to destroy LK’s good reputation?

Here is a hint- when people outside the equestrian community see the “victim” on the stand, hear her testimony, and it elicits the reactions they are having, there is no good reputation to destroy!

The cat was out of the bag about LK a long time ago. MB would never have needed to say one word about her.

[hut-ho78]

Ok poor Johnny one more. We all know you believe LK is bad. Why is a balanced perspective so threatening to you?

[Libby2563]

@Knights_Mom

Then a gun discharging but due to close proximity of the person struck the bullets never reach maximum velocity. And as it’s velocity that causes the damage that might explain why death wasn’t immediate and why speedy, competent medical care was able to save her life…

So just like a racehorse jumping out of a starting gate, it takes a little distance to reach maximum velocity.

In the case of a close contact confrontation and discharge, it’s entirely possible the same thing occurred.

What do y’all think?

Those physics you’re describing make no sense. Bullets are not racehorses. What forces would be acting on the bullet to accelerate it once it leaves the barrel?

Not that Wikipedia is the best source ever but even it explains this: “Muzzle velocity is the speed of a projectile with respect to the muzzle at the moment it leaves the end of a gun’s barrel (i.e. the muzzle)… For projectiles in unpowered flight, its velocity is highest at leaving the muzzle and drops off steadily because of air resistance.” (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muzzle_velocity)

So unless the Ruger was loaded with torpedoes, the projectiles would not be accelerating after they left the barrel. Not significantly anyway. There might be some interplay between barrel length and the type of load in the ammo, but you’d be talking milliseconds and a very short distance.

[eggbutt]

@hut-ho78

Ok poor Johnny one more. We all know you believe LK is bad. Why is a balanced perspective so threatening to you?

Because there is nothing balanced by your perspective. And what on earth gives you the impression I am “threatened” by your ridiculous post? It’s all good Hut_ho. It will be over soon.

And, I don’t “believe” she is bad, I KNOW she is.

[MHM]

@hut-ho78

Per LK on this forum

I won’t bother to address all the other questionable aspects of this post.

I will just point out that now and forevermore, the words in the quote above should always be followed by the phrase, “although LK admitted under oath on the witness stand that she lied all the time on social media…”

[hut-ho78]

@Angela_Freda

@hut-ho78

MB’s lawyer has yet to address the insanity and self defense

Why do you think that is?

He didn’t make it clear in opening arguments. In cross examination, he may not have a chance yet. When he starts the defense portion, unless he is committed to the possible imperfect defense, he needs to get there.

By stating not guilty by insanity and self defense, the defense lawyer and MB affirm MB shot LK twice and shot at RG once. That is out there. It’s done. It’s hard to prove insanity. It isn’t self defense because MB needed to prove he was backing up and trying to leave and he can’t do that because no evidence exists he did.

[hut-ho78]

@Sticky_Situation

What kind of payment arrangement did LK have with MB when she first started training with him and he was still with his ex-wife and MHG wasn’t around yet?

Was she/her dad just paying a straight board/training fee like his other clients at that point? Using RG’s renovations to barter for board/training didn’t happen til later, right?

$2500/month per horse for two horses.

She then bought what appears to be a well trained horse from MB that had health problems -shivers and Cushings for $40,000. It sounds like a schoolmaster. LK testified that the horse board was to be continued by MB, not her. That could be a misunderstanding or correct.

MHG was there the entire time LK was. It is my understanding VK was still there the summer of 2018 in the house with JH, LK, and RG while MHG and MB were living together in the barn.

The house was damage over the winter while they were in Florida. VK stayed in Florida. The ad hoc renovation board mess started that summer and Lk brought in her retired horse and imported a horse. Those were to be the renovation board deal but the imported horse was in transit and quarantine through most or all of this.

[MHM]

@hut-ho78

It isn’t self defense because MB needed to prove he was backing up and trying to leave and he can’t do that because no evidence exists he did.

So far the only evidence on that subject is the word of two people who demonstrated their tendency to lie a lot, even under oath on the witness stand.

[hut-ho78]

@MHM

@hut-ho78

It isn’t self defense because MB needed to prove he was backing up and trying to leave and he can’t do that because no evidence exists he did.

So far the only evidence on that subject is the word of two people who demonstrated their tendency to lie a lot, even under oath on the witness stand.

I haven’t seen them lying on the witness stand. I think RG has a better memory of the event. The major elements are the same.

[MHM]

@hut-ho78

I haven’t seen them lying on the witness stand.

Really??

What trial have you been watching?

[Sdel]

@MHM

@hut-ho78

I haven’t seen them lying on the witness stand.

Really??

What trial have you been watching?

Maybe they haven’t been and that is the problem?

[Knights_Mom]

@eggbutt

@hut-ho78

A poster said way at the start that MB recruited LK away from her former trainer with words to the effect of “not doing anything for you.”

Per testimony reached deal with father for two horses $2500 each per month. Sold her a what appears to be a very well trained horse with shivers and Cushings for $40,000 with an understanding or misunderstanding that the horse would continue to live with MB for life. She bought another horse that was to be imported and was in shipping and quarantine for most or all of this time. She brought her retired horse over from NC with the understanding or misunderstanding that RG would repair the house and barn for board and training for those two. The first summer, she lived in the house with RG along with VK and JH and working students. MB and MH were in the barn apartment. MB and MH had a relationship since 2015. MB divorce was 2018 I think with partnerships dissolved in 2019 I think. VK did not return to New Jersey in 2019 and googling the internet it appears she established her business early summer or spring of 2019 in Florida. Everything seems ok until late July 2019.

Per testimony from the defense lawyer (which he is not allowed to do but he does it anyway along with repeated attempts to elicit hearsay and asking unclear questions and ignoring court procedure and judge instructions with repeated admonishment from the frustrated judge) MB wanted the work completed faster than the board amount (water damage from ice could be a few thousand to over $100,000 or more damage) and RG testified he was providing more value than the board amount per month. The defense attorney also let RG and LK ramble on and they were able to testify on the complaints and actions MB and MH took to harass them. Not impressed by the defense attorney.

Both RG and LK testified to being former heroine users and addicted to opioids. LK said she had not used while in training. RG said he had a couple of times but not at the facility.

MB told the farrier not to shoe LK’s horses. RG had words with the farrier.

Per LK on this forum, at some point MB presented them with a contract for boarding and living in the house which changed the understood or misunderstood terms.

LK became frustrated and reactive to the difference in the perceived verbal agreements.

The timing is unclear but per LK’s testimony MB at some point texted someone who posted the text on a tweet that he was going to negatively affect LK in the dressage community and he also told MH on texts something about he was going to drive them out of the barn by being mean and bad service. MH called other barns to complain/warn/blackball them. MB called USDF, SafeSport, and other agencies to complain about them. It seemed like this was in the same time period LK was posting trash talk and complaining about MB. No formal eviction procedures were done in accordance with New Jersey laws and procedures though at some point they received a letter from MB’s lawyer telling them to leave.

RG and LK testified they called the township for code violations at the barn and house apparently after learning of a clothes dryer that would not turn off running at night and barn staff not responding to their requests to check because MB had instructed barn staff to not respond to them.

Per the defense attorney and LK’s posts and testimony, MB became dissatisfied with the work on the house sufficing for board for the retired horse and the imported horse and the understanding or misunderstanding of whether or not board was due for the horse she bought from MB. If a discussion of how much was paid for the imported horse and who paid was had, I missed it.

If MB was saving money by hiring an unlicensed contractor, RG, and letting them work off board with a promise of cash for work done more than the board amount with no contract and no delivery date and decided not to honor those terms then RG could not use a mechanics lien etc. because of the 3X amount MB could have gone back after him. Turning in code violations means the township requires those to be corrected by a licensed contractor and presumably pay a lot more is pretty common when dealing with code and contractors. LK testified their apartment just need the smoke alarms rewired which they did.

RG’s and LK’s stories were similar and supported the same events. She admitted to posting really nasty stuff online. They both admitted drug use. They seemed pretty honest, not evading all the hard truths that make them look bad. The basic events of the shooting were similar. MB came. He said he didn’t want a war and asked if they could work it out. RG said no, that MB brought lawyers in and let the lawyers work it out and turned to walk away. LK approached MB. MB started shooting. The defense and MB filed not guilty through insanity and self defense so they have acknowledged MB shot LK twice and shot at RG once.

The doctor testified that LK lost half her blood. Flatlined. They opened her up on her side from the front going under her arm to her back to stop the bleeding. They opened her up on her abdomen that night to allow her swelling to have room because it was stopping her breathing. She was on heavy pain medication for some time after that. Can’t imagine the pain medication/PTSD nightmares

MB’s lawyer has yet to address the insanity and self defense. An outside lawyer stated that New Jersey does have an imperfect defense established by case law where the attempted murder charges could be dropped to manslaughter. That might explain the plea deal and why he is trying so hard to make LK and RG look bad.

It seems like once VK was out of the picture, relationships fell apart. She seems to be quite a remarkable person.

Far from creating code violations, RG could have recognized several, may have suggested correcting them or been in the process of doing so.

If LK is encouraged and supported with the horses to help her get her life back on track by her parents and they thought MB was a safe and professional, it sounds like from JH’s testimony that MB was well on his way to a breakdown behind all the charismatic front at clinics, etc. and this was a terrible place for her to be. I don’t think anyone expected this to happen.

Weirdly, the defense lawyer testified that MB wasn’t happy about RG coming with LK. So MB just wanted single women? That sounds untrue though because RG testified he worked on the barn as well and MB would work with him on the repairs for no pay, just helping out. JH testified that everything was cordial at first and it sounds like it was.

I wish them all well. I feel sorry for MB and how his life has turned out. I a horrified for LK. I am still impressed with RG. He saved everyone. That extra clip could have changed everything.

HOLY GUACAMOLE! So LK still has at least one poster here ready to twist and justify the events of last week to her advantage. Seems some of LK’s fantasy drifted into this post, but whatever.

“I am still impressed by RG. He saved everyone.” This statement says it all.

Edited to ask, was this post written by committee? Sure sounds like it!

They forgot that LK was posting MB owed the $50Gs here many times until someone who vacuums under lawyer desks posted about unlicensed contractors and treble damages. Therefore they could not have known that at the time before the shooting or she would not have been posting that.

[FitzE]

@eggbutt

Let’s correct one huge error in @hut-ho78’s post…MB and VB were already separated and she had moved on by the time LK entered the scene. LK seems to like everyone thinking she has been in MB’s life much longer than she really has.

Wait, what? LK and VK were not on the farm at the same time?

I noticed just during the week or fortnight before the trial started, a couple posters (hutho, currentlyhorseless, I think sierramist) came on and started to push a certain narrative. It came in different forms, but there were a couple talking points that were consistent throughout: VK leaving stressed MB b/c VK had taken care of most/all of the logistics of the business; MB had money stress; and MB might have gone on to kill more people had RG not stopped him.

Setting aside how likely any of those are, if VK and LK were not even there at the same time, that seems another huge inconsistency in this new party line about what happened and why.

[MHM]

@Sdel

@MHM

@hut-ho78

I haven’t seen them lying on the witness stand.

Really??

What trial have you been watching?

Maybe they haven’t been and that is the problem?

That seems like the only possible explanation.

[MorganSercu]

I feel like posting these screen shots of posts from archived threads. Her character and history of lying and cruelty are far from new.

[rothmpp]

@hut-ho78

By stating not guilty by insanity and self defense, the defense lawyer and MB affirm MB shot LK twice and shot at RG once. That is out there. It’s done. It’s hard to prove insanity. It isn’t self defense because MB needed to prove he was backing up and trying to leave and he can’t do that because no evidence exists he did.

So your original long description post - That’s ok, everyone is entitled to their opinion of how the testimony went last week. You find LK & RG entirely believable and honest. I’d only point out that there are plenty of people out there, not in the dressage world, that knew next to nothing about this case until last week that find both of them not truthful, very unlikeable, and making the defense’s case better rather than the prosecution that they were called as witnesses for.

Now, about the above - did you hear nothing of the testimony where both RG & LK were beating and subduing him? We only have the testimony of what was heard on the 911 tape and two “victims”. There is no way that we have heard yet to reasonably establish at what point LK was shot, what physically transpired prior to the actual shooting, and whether MB was actually defending himself. There has been plenty of testimony to plant seeds of doubt in the minds of the jury. On a previous occasion LK would not let MB leave? RG chokes him out? In the minds of some that could definitely lead to self defense.

I don;t know if you have read or re-read all of LK’s posts on this board talking about bombshells, irrefutable evidence, the solid gold ear witness that the defense is actually going to call(???), audio and video recordings, etc… that as the prosecution finishes up their case on Monday with a couple of subject experts, none of it has come out at all. It just makes us all question her version of the events even more than we did in the past.