Barisone Trial Starting Monday, 3/28

[DownYonder]

@ToN_Farm

Current boarder on trial “he never wanted to be alone with them”. “he was terrifed of them”. But yet, he drove to the farmhouse to have a chat about resolving issues.

I still am wondering if he drove down there expecting the house to be empty - i.e., that they had vacated in accordance with the FM order. And then when he found them there, decided to try to talk to them to find out why they were still there and see if there was a way to work things out. Yes, it was a bad decision on his part but it seems that he wasn’t thinking too rationally in those days.

[Sticky_Situation]

Seriously … just a nice amateur rider trying to enjoy her horses and keep her kid safe

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@McGurk

@Angela_Freda,

Not a lawyer, don’t play one on tv, haven’t stayed at a Holiday Inn Express, but I don’t understand why the civil case was even filed; other than as part of some larger legal strategy. It had no merit on its face. The civil case was based on alleged discrimination. That only works if you’re a member of a protected class and the discrimination was BECAUSE of or related to the protected class. So if a black man, white woman, gay person, etc. had received the same kind of negligent treatment MB had and could reasonably claim the treatment was related to their membership in the protected class, the suit could have gone ahead. But as a straight white male, he can’t claim the insufficient police response was due to discrimination.

Here’s where a actual, real lawyer needs to weigh in: I don’t believe you can sue police departments or individual police officers for malpractice/malfeasance/etc. I believe that’s where the controversial doctrine of qualified immunity comes in. The basic concept of QI is that it shields police officers from a lawsuit if an officer’s actions do not violate a “clearly established” constitutional right under federal law.

To me, the civil case was a weird Hail Mary play; pretty much anyone would know that it couldn’t go forward.

Again, I think it was part of a larger strategy that is not clear to me.

The civil case was filed by the co-counsel in the criminal case. I think it was filed to denigrate the police, in service to blaming their performance in the criminal case.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

Ooooh!!! This is the real estate attorney who was representing MB, and negotiating with LKs attorney, ED, to come up with a solution to the landlord tenant disputes.

This testimony might get quite interesting…

[Hope_And_A_Prayer]

“There are several places in the area.” Get 'em gal!

[DownYonder]

@Sdel

The implication from the prosecution was that the relationship was current…and because of that the witness was lying.

“…was current” or “is current”?

(Sorry, not able to watch today so am trying to keep up with info via this forum.)

[Davignport]

Despite the best attempts of the judge to keep LK and RG out of the conversations, it is becoming abundetly clear just how bad they were making things at the barn. The last lady’s testimony said volumes.

[ToN_Farm]

@DownYonder

I still am wondering if he drove down there expecting the house to be empty - i.e., that they had vacated in accordance with the FM order. And then when he found then there, decided to try to talk to them to find out why they were still there and see if there was a way to work things out. Yes, it was a bad decision on his part but it seems that he wasn’t thinking too rationally in those days.

According to the words of the boarder, he was catatonic. Didn’t even acknowledge her when she spoke to him. He was not in any state that would indicate he wanted to have a discussion with anyone, least of all his foes.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

Ooooh!!! This is the real estate attorney who was representing MB, and negotiating with LKs attorney, ED, to come up with a solution to the landlord tenant disputes.

This testimony might get quite interesting…

Update. He’s also specialized in equine law, and boarding agreements. So he’s super specialized.

And, the lawyer has known MB as a trainer for 10-15 years. And is a rider himself.

[fordtraktor]

Or maybe he drove down there totally out of character because he’d gone insane and wasn’t in his right mind? IME, insane people’s decision making skills are often very unreasonable. Sometimes mind-boggling. Which makes sense!!

[Sdel]

I don’t know. Prosecution asked her to identify some name and asked her about a relationship. I’m just responding based on the testimony. Since the re-direct was about her honesty on the stand, it was obvious the prosecution was challenging her credibility based on the described relationship. And LK is the one who claimed the allegation about RG being threatening this girl was a lie.

[OntheFnce]

And dressed appropriately.

[ToN_Farm]

@fordtraktor

Or maybe he drove down there totally out of character because he’d gone insane and wasn’t in his right mind? IME, insane people’s decision making skills are often very unreasonable. Sometimes mind-boggling. Which makes sense!!

Yes, out of his mind. With a gun.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@FitzE

I lived in a country in the past form which a young teen went abroad to the US and went with his friends from the high school for a halloween party. He went to the wrong house and was shot on the man’s porch. The man was not convicted. So, you are 100% wrong. That is the case I always think of in shooting situations.

Just because the man was “not convicted” does not mean that one can legally shoot someone who was merely trespassing.

OJ was “not convicted” either.

[McGurk]

Has any testimony so far actually established that MB brought the gun with him to the house? Has there been any attempt to explain how the gun got to the scene?

[enjoytheride]

There’s no distinction between “insane” and “insane w gun in hand” according to the law.

[DownYonder]

@ToN_Farm

He was not in any state that would indicate he wanted to have a discussion with anyone, least of all his foes.

Yet according to RG - MB put his hands in the air and said he didn’t want war and couldn’t they work things out.

Of course, RG’s honesty and credibility are so suspect it is possible he was lying about that part, too. If so, one would have to wonder why he would say something like that. Maybe to deliberately infer to the jury that MB was rational - i.e., not insane?

[trubandloki]

@McGurk

Has any testimony so far actually established that MB brought the gun with him to the house? Has there been any attempt to explain how the gun got to the scene?

Not that I know of.
The prosecution is wanting us to assume it must have been MB.

[McGurk]

Hello? Reasonable doubt? Is that you?

[FitzE]

You’re not addressing the question. They had to talk about what that kid was doing even though he was the victim. Same with battered women. My contention is that there are lots of cases when they do, in fact, discuss the victim. It’s just true.

This is why I was asking for clarification from Jealoushe about not being able to discuss anything about LK/RG simply b/c they were victims.