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[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

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@Angela_Freda

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

I thought that particular gun was in NJ illegally. RC had brought it from NC with her. So MB having an illegal firearm in his safe? That’s a big problem still.
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Yes.
But if a law was broken, only RC broke it at that point.

MB simply put it somewhere safe, so the kids would not be able to be harmed by it, until a few days later RC would take it back home to NC with her, where it was legal.

That sounds logical enough. But the ex-cop/barefoot trimmer witness this morning advised MB to keep his vehicles locked so that nobody could plant drugs in them, because they could be assumed as MB’s property.

So would the gun in MB’s safe be any different?

As an aside, I was talking about this case with a friend of mine. She was saying that she used to have an old school friend who started using drugs later on. And my friend’s husband told her to never, ever, ever get in a vehicle with that person, because any drugs found in the vehicle could be assumed to be my friend’s. Same idea.

I also think, from the perspective of the child welfare investigator, she was focused on investigating the home environment MHGs child was in.

So even if they found the gun locked in the safe… the gun was still illegal in NJ. And the safe belonged to MHGs boyfriend, and was part of the child’s home environment. And any illegal gun found in that child’s home environment? That would become a child welfare concern, and be a serious issue for MHG.

[MHM]

Ok, that was impressive. Lol.

Thanks!!

[ohnoO]

Would CPS know which of the 5-6 guns in the safe were legal or illegal? It doesn’t seem that she asked to see inside the safe.

[MHM]

@Dragonfly90

Believe whatever, I don’t buy it was given to him to keep it safe from the children.

How about to keep his customers from shooting each other, since we’ve heard that RC was sleeping in the barn aisle with it under her pillow, and now we’ve heard that LK had been seen sneaking around at night in black clothing?

And let’s just pause and think for a moment how completely insane the situation was there by that point to make that previous sentence applicable.

[clipper]

@ohnoO

MB had gun powder residue on his hands so he must have shot the gun. I know that no one “thought” to test RG or LK, but MB had to have shot the gun at least once. Right?

Apparently not.

"First, in every GSR test report – whether the test comes back positive or negative for GSR – there is always a disclaimer. A positive GSR test result does not necessarily mean that a defendant has fired a gun. Even if the fused particles of barium, antimony, and lead are found, they could have come from other materials, such as brake pads or fireworks, or they could be a result of a contaminated sample. "

“Second, it is important to consider how the GSR sample was collected. Many times, police officers do not gather the GSR samples in a proper way to prevent the possibility of contamination. The FBI and most police departments recommend that GSR samples be taken from a suspect immediately at the scene and hopefully before being handcuffed or transported in a police cruiser. Studies in major metropolitan areas around the country have determined that there are an alarmingly high number of GSR particles on handcuffs, the back seats of police cars, holding cells, interrogation tables and chairs, as well as on police officers themselves.”

The Keystone Cops, oh sorry I meant the Police in this case do not sound capable of even preventing contamination.

Gun Shot Residue Evidence - Not Always A Smoking Gun!

[Angela_Freda]

@Dragonfly90

Believe whatever, I don’t buy it was given to him to keep it safe from the children

So why did MB take the gun from RC?

[EADoug]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

I also think, from the perspective of the child welfare investigator, she was focused on investigating the home environment MHGs child was in.

So even if they found the gun locked in the safe… the gun was still illegal in NJ. And the safe belonged to MHGs boyfriend, and was part of the child’s home environment. And any illegal gun found in that child’s home environment? That would become a child welfare concern, and be a serious issue for MHG.

Child welfare was there due to LK’s SafeSport complaint, correct?

The complaint that she reports that she was just telling them what was going on and they asked her over and over if there were children there and she answered yes.

I had the impression that she wasn’t calling SafeSport about a gun. I realize she’s not 100% credible, but if she was calling to make a report about bullying, yelling, fire code violations, her life being threatened, murder plots… they would still report to child welfare?

My guess is the child welfare call didn’t have much to do with the gun.

[BigMama1]

@skydy

So, you have no idea if she uses that hashtag and you found that hashtag elsewhere in the “true crime community”?

What a coincidence

[Knights_Mom]

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@MHM

@Angela_Freda

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

I thought that particular gun was in NJ illegally. RC had brought it from NC with her. So MB having an illegal firearm in his safe? That’s a big problem still.
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Yes.
But if a law was broken, only RC broke it at that point.

MB simply put it somewhere safe, so the kids would not be able to be harmed by it, until a few days later RC would take it back home to NC with her, where it was legal.

That sounds logical enough. But the ex-cop/barefoot trimmer witness this morning advised MB to keep his vehicles locked so that nobody could plant drugs in them, because they could be assumed as MB’s property.

So would the gun in MB’s safe be any different?

As an aside, I was talking about this case with a friend of mine. She was saying that she used to have an old school friend who started using drugs later on. And my friend’s husband told her to never, ever, ever get in a vehicle with that person, because any drugs found in the vehicle could be assumed to be my friend’s. Same idea.

I also think, from the perspective of the child welfare investigator, she was focused on investigating the home environment MHGs child was in.

So even if they found the gun locked in the safe… the gun was still illegal in NJ. And the safe belonged to MHGs boyfriend, and was part of the child’s home environment. And any illegal gun found in that child’s home environment? That would become a child welfare concern, and be a serious issue for MHG.

CPS cares more about the child witnessing violence and being around drug use. Those are 2 and 3 on the no no list. Number 1 is sex abuse or physical abuse. And by physical abuse I mean big stuff. Stuff you didn’t know existed.

[Angela_Freda]

@MHM

But the ex-cop/barefoot trimmer witness this morning advised MB to keep his vehicles locked so that nobody could plant drugs in them, because they could be assumed as MB’s property

So would the gun in MB’s safe be any different?

Not when it has a serial number, and that can be traced to registered in NC to RC

[ScaredOfHorses]

OK, Lauren

[skydy]

The poster is now on ignore for me. This whole sordid ordeal is unpleasant enough without having to deal with people that I feel are disingenuous.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@ohnoO

Would CPS know which of the 5-6 guns in the safe were legal or illegal? It doesn’t seem that she asked to see inside the safe.

Well… if “someone” had complained to SS that MHG and MB were allowing children on the farm to be around their clients firearms… and specifically mentioned RC - and then SS immediately reported this to local CPS to investigate…

CPS would have come right out to the farm to investigate. And talked to the minor’s custodial parent MHG. But second on their list to interview was… RC.

So yeah… I think CPS knew exactly which handgun was the concern. It was RCs handgun.

[Sdel]

@EADoug

My guess is the child welfare call didn’t have much to do with the gun.

Did you miss the part where she claimed JH broke into her phone and was searching for the CPS hotline number? And that they wanted to talk to RC?

[BigMama1]

If the gun was in the safe and MB retrieved it, then went to shoot LK and RG with it, it was never “missing” at all, was it? The only way it could have been missing and for LK to know about it is if she or RG took it from the office themselves, and then decided to publicly taunt MB about a “missing” firearm as another way of threatening him, basically letting him know that they were armed. Plausible? Certainly raises doubt in my mind that MB brought that gun to the scene of the crime.

[MHM]

@PDDT

@Sticky_Situation

Seriously … just a nice amateur rider trying to enjoy her horses and keep her kid safe

She also had the best line. The prosecutor asked something like where she was at the time of the shooting and she said (paraphrase) Well, I wasn’t on the porch"

She really was an excellent witness. And she seemed to provide a good perspective from somebody who was present but not really directly involved in all the drama, except mostly as an observer.

And the fact that she was basically a customer, and could leave at any time, and in fact was planning to do so, showed that everybody there was feeling the heat, not just the primary players.

[Knights_Mom]

@BigMama1

If the gun was in the safe and MB retrieved it, then went to shoot LK and RG with it, it was never “missing” at all, was it? The only way it could have been missing and for LK to know about it is if she or RG took it from the office themselves, and then decided to publicly taunt MB about a “missing” firearm as another way of threatening him, basically letting him know that they were armed. Plausible? Certainly raises doubt in my mind that MB brought that gun to the scene of the crime.

THIS!!

[EADoug]

@Sdel

@EADoug

My guess is the child welfare call didn’t have much to do with the gun.

Did you miss the part where she claimed JH broke into her phone and was searching for the CPS hotline number? And that they wanted to talk to RC?

Well, she may have done that… but the CPS representative said they were there because of SafeSport, no? She may have ALSO wanted a different complaint, but if I remember correctly they were likely not there because of the gun.

Admitting that it’s a clusterf*(&$ and pretty much anything could go.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@BigMama1

If the gun was in the safe and MB retrieved it, then went to shoot LK and RG with it, it was never “missing” at all, was it? The only way it could have been missing and for LK to know about it is if she or RG took it from the office themselves, and then decided to publicly taunt MB about a “missing” firearm as another way of threatening him, basically letting him know that they were armed. Plausible? Certainly raises doubt in my mind that MB brought that gun to the scene of the crime.

But… what about the GSR on MBs hands? Did he somehow get that gun away from LK and RG at the house… and then shoot LK with it?

That seems more complicated to me, than MB just having it and taking it to the house that day with him.

[Sdel]

@Knights_Mom

@BigMama1

If the gun was in the safe and MB retrieved it, then went to shoot LK and RG with it, it was never “missing” at all, was it? The only way it could have been missing and for LK to know about it is if she or RG took it from the office themselves, and then decided to publicly taunt MB about a “missing” firearm as another way of threatening him, basically letting him know that they were armed. Plausible? Certainly raises doubt in my mind that MB brought that gun to the scene of the crime.

THIS!!

Takes a bow…