Barisone Trial This Month

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Jealoushe

Love that the judge schooled them on their want to use two defenses which contradict each other.

Might want to pick one and focus on that if they want a chance of defending this man.

Oh, but Bilinkas explained how they were consistent. Barisone had a mental breakdown, and was delusional when he thought he needed to shoot in self defense!

[Angela_Freda]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Also, the stuff about his childhood trauma is “alleged” by the defense lawyer. I’m not sure I believe it. YMMV, of course.

I’m intrigued by this thought.
What makes you doubt the childhood trauma allegation?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Angela_Freda

@CurrentlyHorseless

Also, the stuff about his childhood trauma is “alleged” by the defense lawyer. I’m not sure I believe it. YMMV, of course.

I’m intrigued by this thought.?
What makes you doubt the childhood trauma allegation?

LOL. The fact that it was spouted by a defense lawyer who is grasping at straws to get his client off.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@SillyHorse

@endlessclimb

Ok, I’m no LK sympathizer

But you sure seem to be a Barisone hater. So, your feelings about Barisone are relevant, but @clipper’s aren’t. Got it.

By the way, “he picked up the pistol and faced off with LK” is a twisted narrative, whether you see it or not.

Both of Barisone’s defenses (insanity and self defense) are affirmative defenses, which means that he is acknowledging that he did the shooting, but is claiming that he is not responsible for attempted murder because of the circumstance of insanity or self defense.

With an affirmative defense, the prosecutor does not have the burden of proof to establish that MB did the shooting (that’s already been affirmed by the defendant). Instead the defense has the burden of proof to establish the circumstances of insanity and/or self defense.

I am not a lawyer, but that’s what Wikipedia said.

[Angela_Freda]

Oh, so not because you know him, or his family, or people who knew/know them?

Thanks for clarifying.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Angela_Freda

Oh, so not because you know him, or his family, or people who knew/know them?

Thanks for clarifying.

Correct. I don’t know Barisone, or his family, or people who knew him.

I’m generally familiar with the types of things defense lawyers allege to try to gain sympathy for their clients. I’ve read about the things Bilinkas in particular alleged about his previous client and her victim.

Did you read about the Elizabeth Holmes trial? Defense attorneys claimed she committed massive securities fraud due to being abused and manipulated by her boyfriend. It’s what defense attorneys do.

[Angela_Freda]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Correct. I don’t know Barisone, or his family, or people who knew him.

I’m generally familiar with the types of things defense lawyers allege to try to gain sympathy for their clients. I’ve read about the things Bilinkas in particular alleged about his previous client and her victim.

Did you read about the Elizabeth Holmes trial? Defense attorneys claimed she committed massive securities fraud due to being abused and manipulated by her boyfriend. It’s what defense attorneys do.

Yep. And some of the time its true.
Which will come out in the wash.

[Haybert]

@endlessclimb

There is absolutely no doubt in anyone’s mind that Barisone shot LK.

None.

What his motive was or if it was in any way justified is what’s at question.

What I’m not worried about is whether or not poor widdle Barisone is going to have to “relive some childhood traumas” during his attempted murder trial. He was enough of a bad boy to bring a pistol to an altercation. He can suck it up.

I don’t disagree. Had LK been less, well, LK then perhaps it would have been easier to be less sympathetic to MB.

Right now, frankly, she’s his best defense.

[rothmpp]

@CurrentlyHorseless

LK had no opportunity to avoid the trial, just MB.

That’s a real reach when LK’s filed civil claims against a hundred different people. Had she badly wanted to avoid a trial, she’d have not filed any civil claims. She’s happy to say, and all appearances support, that she has plenty of money.

[endlessclimb]

@Haybert

Right now, frankly, she’s his best defense.

No doubt there. 100% agree.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@rothmpp

@CurrentlyHorseless

LK had no opportunity to avoid the trial, just MB.

That’s a real reach when LK’s filed civil claims against a hundred different people. Had she badly wanted to avoid a trial, she’d have not filed any civil claims. She’s happy to say, and all appearances support, that she has plenty of money.

I said “the trial” and thought it was obvious that “the trial” meant the criminal trial being discussed in the thread. So, to clarify, LK had no opportunity to avoid the criminal trial.

ETA. Re bolded. What are the 99 civil cases she’s filed other than the one she filed against Barisone, SGF and Ruth Cox?

[rothmpp]

If that makes you feel better… But if she really didn’t want any more to do with it at all, she’d have dropped her civil complaint/s. Then maybe I’d feel bad for her that she’s moved on and is being dragged through it again 3 years later.

And OK, maybe 100 is a slight exaggeration, but if I remember correctly, as I haven’t reread the original complaint in a long time, but her legal team included a whole list of people, named and unnamed, in her civil complaint.

She comes back here trying to stir up trouble where none existed for months over a long dormant thread. My armchair opinion is that she actually likes the attention, and a criminal trial is exactly what she wants. If it settled with a plea deal, would 48 Hours bother to air her story and extend her 15 minutes of fame?

[Jealoushe]

@rothmpp

She comes back here trying to stir up trouble where none existed for months over a long dormant thread.

to be fair she made one comment to start and there was…dozens? after, some posters had multiple comments and then started the personal attacks. It’s hard to say to her not to post here or in those threads, when those posters are replying and stirring the pot just as much. Both sides equally guilty.

[rothmpp]

@Jealoushe

to be fair she made one comment to start and there was…dozens? after, some posters had multiple comments and then started the personal attacks. It’s hard to say to her not to post here or in those threads, when those posters are replying and stirring the pot just as much. Both sides equally guilty.

But to what end? She’s very adept at using DMs here - I’ve certainly gotten them from her. If she wasn’t looking to stir the pot, all she had to do was DM the mods and it would have been archived with no attention whatsoever. Or just left it alone and it likely never would have come back up at all. With the subtle taunting of the mods in her posting? That’s not particularly in line with someone who wants to avoid any further attention regarding the shooting.

[RHdobes563]

@Jealoushe

@rothmpp

She comes back here trying to stir up trouble where none existed for months over a long dormant thread.

to be fair she made one comment to start and there was…dozens? after, some posters had multiple comments and then started the personal attacks. It’s hard to say to her not to post here or in those threads, when those posters are replying and stirring the pot just as much. Both sides equally guilty.

(Saying mildly) If LK hadn’t HERSELF revived a long-dormant thread, there would have been no “dozens”, “multiple comments”, or “personal attacks.”

[Jealoushe]

ok but if everyone just ignored them wouldn’t that be better? If everyone here is saying it’s for attention, why bite?

@rothmpp I wasn’t referring to DMs. I never said anything about her intentions in commenting so don’t put words in my mouth. I have no idea what the intentions were and frankly I don’t care. It’s a message board. As it has been discussed before I think people are well aware of what they are dealing with.

[Jealoushe]

@RHdobes563

there would have been no “dozens”, “multiple comments”, or “personal attacks.”

Never ok

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@rothmpp

If that makes you feel better… But if she really didn’t want any more to do with it at all, she’d have dropped her civil complaint/s. Then maybe I’d feel bad for her that she’s moved on and is being dragged through it again 3 years later.

And OK, maybe 100 is a slight exaggeration, but if I remember correctly, as I haven’t reread the original complaint in a long time, but her legal team included a whole list of people, named and unnamed, in her civil complaint.

She comes back here trying to stir up trouble where none existed for months over a long dormant thread. My armchair opinion is that she actually likes the attention, and a criminal trial is exactly what she wants. If it settled with a plea deal, would 48 Hours bother to air her story and extend her 15 minutes of fame?

I did not say that she “didn’t want any more to do with it.” I said that only Barisone and not LK had the opportunity to avoid the criminal trial, despite the inevitability of everyone having to relive the tragedy during the trial.

Anything can happen in a jury trial, especially with an insanity defense. I see her civil suit as a backup
plan for a moral victory (akin to the Ron Goldman civil suit against OJ). Realistically, how is Barisone going to pay a big judgement if she wins her civil case? Did OJ ever pay the civil judgement to the Goldman family?

As I recall, her civil suit is against Barisone, SGF, and RC. In civil suits it’s common to add lots of Jane Does and John Does and Company XYZs just to make sure no one is left out.

What difference does it make whether she “wants”
or doesn’t want a criminal trial? She had no control over whether it happens; Barisone did.

It’s not going to be settled in a plea deal because MB rejected the deal. That’s the actual information in the article.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Jealoushe

@rothmpp

She comes back here trying to stir up trouble where none existed for months over a long dormant thread.

to be fair she made one comment to start and there was…dozens? after, some posters had multiple comments and then started the personal attacks. It’s hard to say to her not to post here or in those threads, when those posters are replying and stirring the pot just as much. Both sides equally guilty.

She asked the mods why that dormant thread had not been archived, when the mods had archived all the other Barisone threads. Perhaps she knew actual news was coming out and wanted to get it archived before the new threads appeared.

[rothmpp]

@Jealoushe

I wasn’t referring to DMs. I never said anything about her intentions in commenting so don’t put words in my mouth. I have no idea what the intentions were and frankly I don’t care. It’s a message board. As it has been discussed before I think people are well aware of what they are dealing with

I’m not trying to put words in your mouth. It is an extension of the discussion about Currentlyhorseless’s comment about LK not getting a say in MB going to trial. CH seemed to be reaching for a “she’s such a traumatized victim who just wants to move on” vein, and I’ve pointed out the inconsistencies of LK’s behavior vs that sentiment.

LK wanted that thread locked? DM the mods. Don’t rile up the herd by posting on it and bringing it to the top.

That’s it. Anything else you read into what I said, well I can’t do anything about that.