Barisone Trial This Month

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@Knights_Mom

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@trubandloki

@hut-ho78

@trubandloki

That is scary @eggbutt.

I would think that if MB was prone to being so horrible he would not have had so many long term boarders and had a thriving business all those years.

And yet BNTs and others are being outed to safesport with decades of abuse. There are pages of discussion on what they did and how some still are training minors or appearing at shows and still have a string, loyal following.

But, that is not what happened here. There have not been people coming forward saying how abusive and horrible MB was. According to IM, LK would go back to him if that was an option. So clearly he is not all that horrible.

On this BB there is was a query about FEI level dressage trainers in central NJ in about 2016. Someone mentions Barisone, and another poster comes on to say she had trained with Barisone and recommended the OP stay away, on the grounds she thought Barisone was “abusive” snd “dishonest”.

Re bolded. No, IM did not say that!

If you think he did, provide the post.

IM most certainly said that.

Provide the post.

[trubandloki]

@hut-ho78

(and moved on within a year)

This is something you like to bring up which has me wondering what the statistics are for the retention of relationships for people who end up behind bars. I wonder if Google has that number. I am betting “moved on within a year” is pretty darn common.
And in this case, if we are pretending all the other stuff is true, I would think that if he wanted to keep his girlfriend that ending up in jail was not on his list of things to do.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

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@trubandloki

@hut-ho78

@trubandloki

That is scary @eggbutt.

I would think that if MB was prone to being so horrible he would not have had so many long term boarders and had a thriving business all those years.

And yet BNTs and others are being outed to safesport with decades of abuse. There are pages of discussion on what they did and how some still are training minors or appearing at shows and still have a string, loyal following.

But, that is not what happened here. There have not been people coming forward saying how abusive and horrible MB was. According to IM, LK would go back to him if that was an option. So clearly he is not all that horrible.

On this BB there is was a query about FEI level dressage trainers in central NJ in about 2016. Someone mentions Barisone, and another poster comes on to say she had trained with Barisone and recommended the OP stay away, on the grounds she thought Barisone was “abusive” snd “dishonest”.

Re bolded. No, IM did not say that!

If you think he did, provide the post.

IM most certainly said that.

Provide the post.

Not your secretary so there’s that.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

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@SillyHorse

@hut-ho78

I hope the couple he used for target practice,

Careful, your grip on reality is slipping.

You’re right, Sillyhorse, it wasn’t target practice. He really was trying to kill them.

If one is trying to kill someone wouldn’t they go FULLY LOADED?

It appears not. As affirmative defenses, his insanity plea and self defense plea acknowledge that he shot them with intent to kill, but claims the circumstance of insanity or self defense releases him from legal responsibility for the act.

[Knights_Mom]

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@Knights_Mom

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@SillyHorse

@hut-ho78

I hope the couple he used for target practice,

Careful, your grip on reality is slipping.

You’re right, Sillyhorse, it wasn’t target practice. He really was trying to kill them.

If one is trying to kill someone wouldn’t they go FULLY LOADED?

It appears not. As affirmative defenses, his insanity plea and self defense plea acknowledge that he shot them with intent to kill, but claims the circumstance of insanity or self defense releases him from legal responsibility for the act.

I’ll wait for the testimony on that to actually occur, thanks.

[soloudinhere]

Correct. People can testify to what they themselves said to someone else or were told by someone else, or said directly in their presence.

What I was pointing out is that the finding of the protective services report will likely not be made public at trial or otherwise. The defense attorney requested the findings of that report from the prosecution in discovery, and the judge denied the request.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

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@Knights_Mom

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@trubandloki

@hut-ho78

@trubandloki

That is scary @eggbutt.

I would think that if MB was prone to being so horrible he would not have had so many long term boarders and had a thriving business all those years.

And yet BNTs and others are being outed to safesport with decades of abuse. There are pages of discussion on what they did and how some still are training minors or appearing at shows and still have a string, loyal following.

But, that is not what happened here. There have not been people coming forward saying how abusive and horrible MB was. According to IM, LK would go back to him if that was an option. So clearly he is not all that horrible.

On this BB there is was a query about FEI level dressage trainers in central NJ in about 2016. Someone mentions Barisone, and another poster comes on to say she had trained with Barisone and recommended the OP stay away, on the grounds she thought Barisone was “abusive” snd “dishonest”.

Re bolded. No, IM did not say that!

If you think he did, provide the post.

IM most certainly said that.

Provide the post.

Not your secretary so there’s that.

More to the point, even if you had a secretary, or knew how to use the search function, the post does not exist.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@trubandloki

@hut-ho78

@trubandloki

That is scary @eggbutt.

I would think that if MB was prone to being so horrible he would not have had so many long term boarders and had a thriving business all those years.

And yet BNTs and others are being outed to safesport with decades of abuse. There are pages of discussion on what they did and how some still are training minors or appearing at shows and still have a string, loyal following.

But, that is not what happened here. There have not been people coming forward saying how abusive and horrible MB was. According to IM, LK would go back to him if that was an option. So clearly he is not all that horrible.

On this BB there is was a query about FEI level dressage trainers in central NJ in about 2016. Someone mentions Barisone, and another poster comes on to say she had trained with Barisone and recommended the OP stay away, on the grounds she thought Barisone was “abusive” snd “dishonest”.

Re bolded. No, IM did not say that!

If you think he did, provide the post.

IM most certainly said that.

Provide the post.

Not your secretary so there’s that.

More to the point, even if you had a secretary, or knew how to use the search function, the post does not exist.

So you’ve memorized all the posts about this topic then?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@SillyHorse

@hut-ho78

I hope the couple he used for target practice,

Careful, your grip on reality is slipping.

You’re right, Sillyhorse, it wasn’t target practice. He really was trying to kill them.

If one is trying to kill someone wouldn’t they go FULLY LOADED?

It appears not. As affirmative defenses, his insanity plea and self defense plea acknowledge that he shot them with intent to kill, but claims the circumstance of insanity or self defense releases him from legal responsibility for the act.

I’ll wait for the testimony on that to actually occur, thanks.

The plea of not guilty by reason of insanity has already been entered with the court.

Do you understand what an affirmative defense is? The prosecution does not need testimony to establish that he shot them with intent to kill, it’s baked into (affirmed by) the plea.

[trubandloki]

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@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@trubandloki

@hut-ho78

@trubandloki

That is scary @eggbutt.

I would think that if MB was prone to being so horrible he would not have had so many long term boarders and had a thriving business all those years.

And yet BNTs and others are being outed to safesport with decades of abuse. There are pages of discussion on what they did and how some still are training minors or appearing at shows and still have a string, loyal following.

But, that is not what happened here. There have not been people coming forward saying how abusive and horrible MB was. According to IM, LK would go back to him if that was an option. So clearly he is not all that horrible.

On this BB there is was a query about FEI level dressage trainers in central NJ in about 2016. Someone mentions Barisone, and another poster comes on to say she had trained with Barisone and recommended the OP stay away, on the grounds she thought Barisone was “abusive” snd “dishonest”.

Re bolded. No, IM did not say that!

If you think he did, provide the post.

IM most certainly said that.

Provide the post.

Not your secretary so there’s that.

More to the point, even if you had a secretary, or knew how to use the search function, the post does not exist.

From what I remember, it most certainly did exist. Now, that does not mean it has not gone away since then. But there was shocked discussion when it happened.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

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@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@trubandloki

@hut-ho78

@trubandloki

That is scary @eggbutt.

I would think that if MB was prone to being so horrible he would not have had so many long term boarders and had a thriving business all those years.

And yet BNTs and others are being outed to safesport with decades of abuse. There are pages of discussion on what they did and how some still are training minors or appearing at shows and still have a string, loyal following.

But, that is not what happened here. There have not been people coming forward saying how abusive and horrible MB was. According to IM, LK would go back to him if that was an option. So clearly he is not all that horrible.

On this BB there is was a query about FEI level dressage trainers in central NJ in about 2016. Someone mentions Barisone, and another poster comes on to say she had trained with Barisone and recommended the OP stay away, on the grounds she thought Barisone was “abusive” snd “dishonest”.

Re bolded. No, IM did not say that!

If you think he did, provide the post.

IM most certainly said that.

Provide the post.

Not your secretary so there’s that.

More to the point, even if you had a secretary, or knew how to use the search function, the post does not exist.

So you’ve memorized all the posts about this topic then?

God, no. But I’ve paid very close attention to what IM has said.

[soloudinhere]

I’m wasting my time here, but yes, that’s exactly what the prosecution has to prove - that he was of sound mind at the time of the incident and was not acting in self defense.

A plea of not guilty by reason is attesting that the person committed the action in question but is not legally responsible for some reason. It is not the same thing as stating intent.

If they had nothing to prove, there would be no trial. That’s what happens when someone pleads guilty.

There is very much that they do have to prove.

None of this is a statement of opinion on who I think is/isn’t responsible for the events that day. This is a statement about the law.

[hut-ho78]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@SillyHorse

@hut-ho78

I hope the couple he used for target practice,

Careful, your grip on reality is slipping.

You’re right, Sillyhorse, it wasn’t target practice. He really was trying to kill them.

If one is trying to kill someone wouldn’t they go FULLY LOADED?

Wow. You just really buried him. He had a clip in it he didn’t check and a backup clip to make sure he got the job done or even continue on. Thanks for pointing that out. It just takes one. Professionals use one 22 to the back of the head. He put two 9mm in her chest. 6’2” man with enough arm reach to hold off a 5’2” woman as though she were kid.

[eggbutt]

@soloudinhere

I’m wasting my time here, but yes, that’s exactly what the prosecution has to prove - that he was of sound mind at the time of the incident and was not acting in self defense

A plea of not guilty by reason is attesting that the person committed the action in question but is not legally responsible for some reason. It is not the same thing as stating intent.

If they had nothing to prove, there would be no trial. That’s what happens when someone pleads guilty.

There is very much that they do have to prove.

None of this is a statement of opinion on who I think is/isn’t responsible for the events that day. This is a statement about the law.

Bold is mine.

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@SillyHorse

@hut-ho78

I hope the couple he used for target practice,

Careful, your grip on reality is slipping.

You’re right, Sillyhorse, it wasn’t target practice. He really was trying to kill them.

If one is trying to kill someone wouldn’t they go FULLY LOADED?

Wow. You just really buried him. He had a clip in it he didn’t check and a backup clip to make sure he got the job done or even continue on. Thanks for pointing that out. It just takes one. Professionals use one 22 to the back of the head. He put two 9mm in her chest. 6’2” man with enough arm reach to hold off a 5’2” woman as though she were kid.

Bahahaha!!!

[eggbutt]

We’ll have to wait for the trial. The first cop on the scene was questioned several times about what he found when he searched MB and never mentioned the full magazine. The second cop miraculously found a full magazine in MB’s pocket. Interesting. All while RG is roaming around the scene, in and out of the house. Got it.

[Angela_Freda]

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As affirmative defenses, his insanity plea and self defense plea acknowledge that he shot them with intent to kill

hmmm… … does it?

One doesn’t have to kill the attacker to defend oneself from the attacker. One certainly doesn’t have to intend to.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@trubandloki

@hut-ho78

@trubandloki

That is scary @eggbutt.

I would think that if MB was prone to being so horrible he would not have had so many long term boarders and had a thriving business all those years.

And yet BNTs and others are being outed to safesport with decades of abuse. There are pages of discussion on what they did and how some still are training minors or appearing at shows and still have a string, loyal following.

But, that is not what happened here. There have not been people coming forward saying how abusive and horrible MB was. According to IM, LK would go back to him if that was an option. So clearly he is not all that horrible.

On this BB there is was a query about FEI level dressage trainers in central NJ in about 2016. Someone mentions Barisone, and another poster comes on to say she had trained with Barisone and recommended the OP stay away, on the grounds she thought Barisone was “abusive” snd “dishonest”.

Re bolded. No, IM did not say that!

If you think he did, provide the post.

IM most certainly said that.

Provide the post.

Not your secretary so there’s that.

More to the point, even if you had a secretary, or knew how to use the search function, the post does not exist.

From what I remember, it most certainly did exist. Now, that does not mean it has not gone away since then. But there was shocked discussion when it happened.

How could it have “gone away” with all the QFPing?

[trubandloki]

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@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@trubandloki

@hut-ho78

@trubandloki

That is scary @eggbutt.

I would think that if MB was prone to being so horrible he would not have had so many long term boarders and had a thriving business all those years.

And yet BNTs and others are being outed to safesport with decades of abuse. There are pages of discussion on what they did and how some still are training minors or appearing at shows and still have a string, loyal following.

But, that is not what happened here. There have not been people coming forward saying how abusive and horrible MB was. According to IM, LK would go back to him if that was an option. So clearly he is not all that horrible.

On this BB there is was a query about FEI level dressage trainers in central NJ in about 2016. Someone mentions Barisone, and another poster comes on to say she had trained with Barisone and recommended the OP stay away, on the grounds she thought Barisone was “abusive” snd “dishonest”.

Re bolded. No, IM did not say that!

If you think he did, provide the post.

IM most certainly said that.

Provide the post.

Not your secretary so there’s that.

More to the point, even if you had a secretary, or knew how to use the search function, the post does not exist.

From what I remember, it most certainly did exist. Now, that does not mean it has not gone away since then. But there was shocked discussion when it happened.

How could it have “gone away” with all the QFPing?

Well, I know this might be hard to understand but let me explain it…

When searching for a post by a certain poster, if they have edited that post, when one searches for a post by them with certain content you can not find a post by them with certain content.

Now, if that searching person wants to take the time to look thru all the quotes, they can probably find it. But that certainly makes it take a little longer and most people here are not willing to go searching that hard.

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@soloudinhere

I’m wasting my time here, but yes, that’s exactly what the prosecution has to prove - that he was of sound mind at the time of the incident and was not acting in self defense.

A plea of not guilty by reason is attesting that the person committed the action in question but is not legally responsible for some reason. It is not the same thing as stating intent.

If they had nothing to prove, there would be no trial. That’s what happens when someone pleads guilty.

There is very much that they do have to prove.

None of this is a statement of opinion on who I think is/isn’t responsible for the events that day. This is a statement about the law.

The circumstances of insanity or self defense need to be proved. Not whether he shot them.