EXACTLY. Despite his mental health issues, he was a productive member of society for decades before LK showed up and moved in. She then plotted with RG and JK cheering her on to send him over the edge, and when he did snap, now some of you want to claim she bears no responsibility whatsoever for that?
Please let us know where there was any sign of MB “losing it” prior to LK showing up on the scene.
I think we should use the dressage bull here:
You know sometimes people just do things that make no sense. I have found it not worth my time to wonder why. Not that I don’t wonder but it just wears one down to try to make any sense of some people!
I’m just going to put this here in case anyone is interested in the legal definition in NJ:
A person is not criminally responsible for conduct if at the time of such conduct he was laboring under such a defect of reason, from disease of the mind as not to know the nature and quality of the act he was doing, or if he did know it, that he did not know what he was doing was wrong. Insanity is an affirmative defense which must be proved by a preponderance of the evidence.
“ The continuation of trying to hold her responsible for his sanity and actions does not help with that.”
MB’s future release is not in the least bit affected by a bunch of random people discussing the trial on a random forum.
A certain saying comes to mind.
Don’t try to teach a pig to sing. It’s a waste of time and annoys the pig.
I don’t see any comparison. Successful rider, business owner, with decades of hard work, history of paying his bills, many people who can testify to his being a decent man - generous & kind to many - despite not being to everyone’s liking versus Lauren Kanarek who has achieved exactly what despite all the benefits of an upper middle class family?
I want to take note that yes, Michael Barisone was divorced. It was probably not pleasant for either of them but no evidence that he stopped running his business, ceased paying his bills and lost all his riding & training skills.
Lauren also has a divorce in her past.
If the accusation is that getting divorced somehow nobbled him, pushed him over the edge, etc., then it stands to reason the same can be said of Lauren.
If getting divorced automatically leads to big problems, then why does Lauren get a pass?
She doesn’t. Her writing about his mental health issues, where she stated his medication was for something other than depression (as I recall, she stated or inferred it was due to a personality disorder) is far more likely to apply to Lauren than Barisone.
As I wrote then, the only medication of which I am aware that is used to treat a personality disorder is lamotrigine (Lamictal) and it isn’t tolerated by all patients with Borderline Personality Disorder. I believe she later removed that post.
Anyway, when she pointed the finger at Barisone, how many pointed right back at Lauren Kanarek?
I’m a lawyer, though a civil litigator. Because I can’t take it anymore, State v. Krol, 68 N.J. 236, 344 A.2d 289 (1975), is still good law. Knights Mom, ekat, and others are correct. The court held in Krol that NGRI specifically means that although the act occurred, i.e., the actus reus, there is no criminal state of mind, i.e., the mens rea. Without the latter, there is no crime. It’s totally different than the standards for negligence, recklessness, and (obviously) strict liability. I don’t know how much clearer I can put it, but it honestly is not open for debate, legally. It’s criminal law 101 that both are required.
I was initially sympathetic to LK. I do believe, though, the jury likely got it right, having heard the trial testimony. Keep in mind that watching a trial on video is VERY different than being live in the courtroom. (Having tried cases on Zoom during the pandemic, I can say this with certainty). A jury picks up on things you wouldn’t even imagine they would pick up on, but they do - often.
Standard Attorney Disclaimer - this is not legal advice. LOL.
Thank you!
Thank you.
Thank you.
Serious question…how many currently active posters actually know anyone involved with the Barisone/Kanarek situation? By “know someone” I mean you have had actual face-to-face conversations with the person.
I am curious what actual insight/involvement some of the currently prolific posters actually have or are they blowing smoke to provoke?
On that note, I’ll also say that it is correct that a landlord is usually required by law to send a tenant a notice first before filing a complaint in unlawful detainer to commence an eviction. I don’t know NJ landlord/tenant, but it’s usually advisable to get a tenant to vacate voluntarily by sending notice or a letter or an unfiled complaint than to just run off and file it.
Only from here after the fact like LK messaging me. In person in real life none of the parties though as I’ve said I had 3 or 4 lessons with a student of MB back around 2004 or 2006 then no more contact. Something like that. That’s as close as I get other than here AFTER the fact.
Yes but in my state that warning may be verbal and then when the petition is filed there is a question where you fill in the blanks regarding any verbal communication to vacate. As the petition is a sworn document the signor is affirming/swearing all statements on that petition is the truth.
Really interesting point.
I would imagine that the dynamics of the audience in the courtroom… especially with respect to key witnesses who are also part of the audience during the trial - well, I’d imagine that a juror might notice details of their behavior.
Wow - verbal? I always think it’s best to do it in writing, for obvious reasons! But I get that not everyone has lawyers to go paper the record in advance with helpful documents. 
Just shows how different the states are. Here in my neck of the woods the first notice has to be written and either hand delivered by the landlord, personally served by a process server, or sent certified mail.
key phrase “to most reasonable people”. the K Klan don’t understand this…
We have many pro se landlords so the system is set up for them to use. Then, upon the filing of the petition the petitioner also provides with stamped postcards that the court mails to each occupant named in the petition.
Nonpayment petitions have postcards that say to come in and file an answer. Holdover postcards indicate the date/time/place of the first Holdover hearing. (Covid complications and papers aside)
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