Barisone Verdict Is In: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity

[Tarlo_Farm]

@DownYonder

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Yes, I am sure his staff has been totally overwhelmed with various duties associated with this case. (After the verdict came in, I sent an Incredible Edible arrangement to his office for him and his staff to enjoy.)

That is wonderful!! Good on you. I sent a card to Mr Bilinkas and Mr Deininger, but not a basket. I’ll bet they were thrilled with your gift!

And @eggbutt, re: Colbert, glad to hear at least someone has contacted him. I was thinking about it too, I think I will.

[BrendaJane]

between meat market and the seller’s market, perhaps a couple of hundred grand.
Not enough to make a big dent in the legal fees.

But that would not be the message send anyhow.
It would be a permamnent lien on her and whatever she may own down the road until paid up.

Looking at Daddio<

[ekat]

All they had to do was read and comprehend just the Stache’s report. Even he agreed the SM stuff was important. He just disagreed in the results for MB. But how many times did he say it can’t be a delusion if it’s really happening?

[BrendaJane]

Lala assumed she had scrubbed them?
Too bad that over a year later she was still posting. (and many people told her to stop, because of the impending trials)
You have the right to remain silent
If only one had the ability…

[Tarlo_Farm]

@Angela_Freda

Cards of thanks for MR B and Mr D written, where do I send them?

The address is somewhere upthread, or just google Mr Bilinkas’ name. HIs office and address are listed. Mr Deininger is in the same building, and I’m sure they chat often.

[trubandloki]

@Tarlo_Farm

@Angela_Freda

Cards of thanks for MR B and Mr D written, where do I send them?

The address is somewhere upthread, or just google Mr Bilinkas’ name. HIs office and address are listed. Mr Deininger is in the same building, and I’m sure they chat often.

It is in the original post in the other thread that was started on this topic.

Barisone Aftermath: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity, And Then

For those who have missed the previous discussions, on April 14th, Michael Barisone (MB) was found not guilty by reason of insanity for the attempted murder and related weapon charge regarding Lauren Kanarek (LK), and just plain not guilty for the similar charges regarding Lauren Kanarek’s boyfriend, Rob Goodwin (RG). MB is supposed to go to a mental health facility to have his mental condition evaluated regarding whether or not he is a danger to himself and the community, but as of today, two …

[MHM]

@BrendaJane

between meat market and the seller’s market, perhaps a couple of hundred grand.
Not enough to make a big dent in the legal fees.

But that would not be the message send anyhow.
It would be a permamnent lien on her and whatever she may own down the road until paid up.

Wow, really?

That’s a much higher number than I would have guessed. I thought a couple of them already had some age and health issues on them at that time, and that was almost three years ago.

I get the moral victory concept. I’m just wondering about the practical application of it.

[BrownDerby]

Help Michael Barisone rebuild his life., organized by Lara Hausken Osborne

And the address to send notes to MB is on the GFM page.

ETA: Mods let me know if this is not cool. Thanks.

[SillyHorse]

Donations from “The Bombshell” and “K.M. Vacuumer”

[DownYonder]

@ekat

Somebody had to have read them because they had evidentiary hearings about them. They had at least the last one the week before trial.

I think they erroneously assumed that bullets in LK would outweigh LK’s rants, which they obviously did not give proper consideration, despite 3 medical experts reporting differently.

Does the prosecutor assigned to the case look at all that stuff? Or does he have underlings sift through it and determine what might be relevant to their case?

[DownYonder]

@SillyHorse

Donations from “The Bombshell” and “K.M. Vacuumer”

I wonder who “The Bombshell” is. (It is a rhetorical question, I’m not trying to out anyone - LOL!)

Although I can’t help but think that Mr. B. was the real Bombshell in this case!

[ekat]

@DownYonder

Does the prosecutor assigned to the case look at all that stuff? Or does he have underlings sift through it and determine what might be relevant to their case?

In my experience, it depends on the attorney. Some know everything down to the last comma. Some rely on their team.

In this case, I feel like since all of the posts, etc were so important to all 3 experts, it would have been important for the attorney to review it all as much as the experts did. Maybe he did. Maybe he just couldn’t get over Who Does This, and really believed the jury was just going to say yeah, but she got shot.

In so many ways, he kind of was handed a crap case. The police gave him nothing beyond “this guy says that guy did it.” And they failed to do simple stuff like search the other vehicles. Then you have the victims he had. And the Stache. Best he could hope for was a plea. And when that didn’t happen he gave it the old college try.

I wonder, if he had any kind of autonomy and no boss/voters to answer to, would he have started out with lesser charges? Offered a more enticing plea? He knew the case was crap. But he has a boss. Who may or may not be an elected official (I sincerely don’t know).

[MHM]

@ekat

The police gave him nothing beyond “this guy says that guy did it.” And they failed to do simple stuff like search the other vehicles.

To this day, I still can’t even believe that part. Just unreal.

[Sdel]

I believe at some point Schellhorn took over the case because the previous guy retired. So, he may have been stuck with something he didn’t feel he could wash his hands of.

[MHM]

Ahh. That’s an interesting twist.

Maybe the case was the reason the previous guy decided to retire at that point! Lol.

[ekat]

@MHM

To this day, I still can’t even believe that part. Just unreal.

I know. That is such a sticking point for me.

If I could see one single piece of evidence from this case, I’d want to see the interview the police did with RG that night. I’d like to see Shooting Incident Take One from him. Plus, I’d like to look at that hand.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@gailbyrd

@Scribbler

@Sdel

@ohnoO

No it was not for her to sign and it was a bit of time before August 7th. It was for the person she was planning to “employ” (for lack of a better word) to ride her multiple horses.
I would assume (yeah, I know) because she didn’t have the time or stamina to keep them in work and didn’t want JH or MHG or the working students to ride them.

This really doesn’t make any sense….how would liability paperwork for someone else to ride horses be the furtherance on a murder plot for her and RG? She made a big deal about that and the police’s reactions….

Yeah this was the paranoid spiral I vaguely remembered. This is taking a normal business operating procedure into the twilight zone.

What I’m unclear on. Was this a waiver for someone else to ride the horse or for LK

If for LK, why was it being presented at that point? I can believe that LK had been talking about faking an injury and bragging that she had never signed a waiver, and MB getting spooked. But I don’t see the utility in phoning 911 because she won’t sign. I feel like about the time this happened both parties were under some strain, so to speak. I can see where MB calling 911 over the waiver dispute could contribute to the local police thinking he was a frivolous emergency caller.

If it was for another person to sign then LK’s paranoid fantasy here makes no sense at all.

But the episode gives some insight into the mental process here. There was a waiver form in contention, possibly for another rider. LK rolls this fact into a paranoid fantasy about a waiver absolving someone of murder. They don’t, btw. Then she gets hysterical and elicits hysterical behavior from MB and then hopes he looks bad to the police.

I tried to bold the point I want to address. If you listen to the 911 call, Barisone isn’t calling 911 to report LK for not signing the form (whatever it may be). He is calling 911 because LK & RG got verbally aggressive and started making threats. Asking them to sign the form, which Barisone states in the call, is what stated the tirade by LK/RG. Just part of the puzzle that drove Barisone to his breakdown.

No. He says in the beginning of the call to 911 that he’s calling because his clients refuse to sign a document.

[PDDT]

Rhetoric

[erinmeri]

@DownYonder

I wish people would realize that the term “weapon” doesn’t automatically mean “firearm.” It actually
annoys me when someone misuses the term. The media is notorious for it, and even LE and attorneys do it. “Did he have a weapon?” Uh, he had a ballpoint pen in his shirt pocket, house keys in his pants pocket, etc. But no firearm, so I guess he didn’t have a “weapon.”

(I was once asked by a customs official at Gatwick if “I had a weapon.” I actually laughed because I had a ballpoint pen in my purse and was carrying a compact umbrella. The official was a rather elderly gent and he wasn’t amused by my tiny laugh. I immediately felt bad about it even though I was remembering from a personal protection course how easy it would be to bash someone’s head in with the umbrella or kill/disable them by ramming a ballpoint pen through their eye socket.)

Yesterday, I had to go through security at work to turn in my equipment (my COVID-related job sunsetted due to CDC guidance changes, etc) and the security guard asked me “what do you plan to do with the wrench in your purse?” I replied “there’s a wrench in my purse?” He continued to drill me and the only reason I could come up with it being there was I had taken it to the farm to install a faucet and forgotten it was there. Never occurred to me that it could be seen as a weapon. I guess I should have gotten up-to-date on this thread before going in!

Edited: “sunsetted” not “subsetted”. Whoever mentioned the typo struggle upthread ain’t lying!

[MHM]

@erinmeri

Yesterday, I had to go through security at work to turn in my equipment (my COVID-related job subsetted due to CDC guidance changes, etc) and the security guard asked me “what do you plan to do with the wrench in your purse?” I replied “there’s a wrench in my purse?” He continued to drill me and the only reason I could come up with it being there was I had taken it to the farm to install a faucet and forgotten it was there. Never occurred to me that it could be seen as a weapon. I guess I should have gotten up-to-date on this thread before going in!

Many, many years ago, long before the security got tighter post 9/11, I went through security at the airport with a hoof pick in the pocket of my coat. I had completely forgotten it was in there.

But they would not let me take it on the plane, so I lost my favorite hoof pick. Sad face to this day. Lol.