Barisone Verdict Is In: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity

[Knights_Mom]

@MHM

@Knights_Mom

Their problem will arise when the defendants assert (as I imagine they will) that it was due to the actions of the plaintiff that anything occurred in the first place and it is THERE that every little piece of nastiness will come out.

So how does it work procedurally if they’ve each filed civil suits against the other? Are those all separate civil trials? If so, that sounds like it would take forever to conclude all of it.

You can do either a counterclaim or start your own case. Cheaper to counterclaim on both time and money.

[DownYonder]

@ekat

Hard to keep track of time in his “green” office.

Do sundials work when it is cloudy?

[ekat]

Wow, that’s nuts.

I’ve been trying since that day of the trial to figure out what the ultimate plan was. Apparently I’m not devious enough because I got nothing.

[MHM]

@trubandloki

@ekat

Hard to keep track of time in his “green” office.

Yes! Maybe the solar charged clock runs a little fast there?

And then what happens if it rains? No wonder he was confused about the time.

[eggbutt]

No, the criminal case, while LK was testifying.

[Knights_Mom]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@Knights_Mom

I’m thinking it would be personal injury claims for both MB and SGF and add negligence for SGF because it seems they implied that SGF did not use due diligence by allowing a (their perspective) mentally unstable guy to have guns on the property

The weird thing to me though, is the fact that SGF is nothing more than an LLC which was formed by MB and the older couple that owned the land at Hawthorne Hill.

And the older couple didn’t really do anything vbin the way of active management. So SGF really is just MB… on a fundamental level.

So how can an attorney make an effective argument before a jury that essentially amounts that MB as the acting agent for SGF was negligent for not keeping a gun away from… himself?

It seems like they have only named SGF to increase the chances of an insurance payout or something. To try and squeeze and push things in a certain direction…

If it goes to trial… I just don’t quite understand how they argue this. If that makes sense.

It doesn’t matter. They owned the property. Plus in civil suits the suits aren’t qualified. I could sue Mickey Mouse. No one stops you.

[Knights_Mom]

@eggbutt

No, the criminal case, while LK was testifying.

Yeah now the civil case will be way different on that. Once the defendants claim it was LKs own actions that caused it the next question must be “What actions?” and then BOOM. It’s all coming out.

[MHM]

@ekat

Wow, that’s nuts.

I’ve been trying since that day of the trial to figure out what the ultimate plan was. Apparently I’m not devious enough because I got nothing.

Most people probably cannot even imagine 1/10 of these plans.

[ekat]

But I was told that SGF should respectfully offer RG (not a party to the suits) money and that would give LK incentive to drop them from the suit.

If SGF was the insured policyholder for the property, it makes sense to include them in the suit.

And with normal plaintiffs who don’t have a plan to destroy and finish the bastard that they enact, AND can tell the same story two times in a row, an insurance settlement would make it go away for everyone.

This, however, is not normal.

[eggbutt]

They were expecting MB to take the plea deal or be found guilty for their civil suits to pay out big time. If MB’s team presents everything I think they have (that was withheld from the criminal trial and a few other bombshells) MB will win in every instance. He’s been incarcerated for almost 3 years due to their behaviors and planning.

[MHM]

@Knights_Mom

You can do either a counterclaim or start your own case. Cheaper to counterclaim on both time and money.

So does that mean they sort through all the claims during one civil trial? I certainly hope the jury is allowed to take copious notes for that one!

[Knights_Mom]

If MB has students/boarders sign a contract Breach Of Contract might be used depending on what’s in there.

But that’s almost too sissy to be it. Something more obscure I’m thinking of.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Knights_Mom

@eggbutt

as testifying.

Yeah now the civil case will be way different on that. Once the defendants claim it was LKs own actions that caused it the next question must be “What actions?” and then BOOM. It’s all coming out.

Can MB add JK as a party to one or more of the specific counterclaims he has made against LK? Or does he have to start a whole new lawsuit to do that?

[ekat]

I mean, the first time someone tells me to get out, I’m gone.

On the landlord end, I haven’t had that many tenants that stayed past the initial, please leave now notice. I can count the actual court ordered evictions I’ve done over the last 20some years.

This is all just so foreign to me.

Edit to add: no one has ever told me to get out. But if they did, I’d have my dogs and cats and stuff packed so fast.

[Knights_Mom]

@ekat

But I was told that SGF should respectfully offer RG (not a party to the suits) money and that would give LK incentive to drop them from the suit.

If SGF was the insured policyholder for the property, it makes sense to include them in the suit.

And with normal plaintiffs who don’t have a plan to destroy and finish the bastard that they enact, AND can tell the same story two times in a row, an insurance settlement would make it go away for everyone.

This, however, is not normal.

Yeah but that’s ridiculous negotiating AFTER the shooting.

There is zero basis for that lawsuit to work and that negotiation was just an empty threat based on the hope that MB and/or SGF are naive and scared enough to agree.

[DownYonder]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

The weird thing to me though, is the fact that SGF is nothing more than an LLC which was formed by MB and the older couple that owned the land at Hawthorne Hill.

And the older couple didn’t really do anything in the way of active management. So SGF really is just MB… on a fundamental level.

So how can an attorney make an effective argument before a jury that essentially amounts that MB as the acting agent for SGF was negligent for not keeping a gun away from… himself?

It seems like they have only named SGF to increase the chances of an insurance payout or something. To try and squeeze and push things in a certain direction…

If it goes to trial… I just don’t quite understand how they argue this. If that makes sense.

Probably hoping the older couple who is the other half of SGF will capitulate and offer a settlement rather than go through the expense and ordeal of a full-blown trial. IOW, just like the K’s recognized MB was a vulnerable target, they believe the couple to also be a good target because of their age and the fact that since they aren’t really involved with the business, they won’t want to be involved in a trial. And didn’t hut-ho or CH or RND or one of the other K sycophants say as much - i.e., that the couple will roll over and pay out so they don’t have to be dragged further into litigation? (Can you say “extortion”?)

[ekat]

He COULD amend the current suit but he’d need something that shows JK’s actions caused him a loss. Not JK’s advice to his daughter, if that makes sense.

[Knights_Mom]

@MHM

@Knights_Mom

You can do either a counterclaim or start your own case. Cheaper to counterclaim on both time and money.

So does that mean they sort through all the claims during one civil trial? I certainly hope the jury is allowed to take copious notes for that one!

It can be 2 different trials to start and then a motion to Consolidate can be filed.

[ekat]

Oh I completely agree with you. 100%.

[Knights_Mom]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@Knights_Mom

@eggbutt

as testifying.

Yeah now the civil case will be way different on that. Once the defendants claim it was LKs own actions that caused it the next question must be “What actions?” and then BOOM. It’s all coming out.

Can MB add JK as a party to one or more of the specific counterclaims he has made against LK? Or does he have to start a whole new lawsuit to do that?

I don’t know NJ law but in my state for a fee he can be added.