Barisone Verdict Is In: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity

[DownYonder]

@Knights_Mom

Civil servants don’t address work issues at night.

Unless (insert your own guess here)…

[smoofox]

@DownYonder

And as I have mentioned before, some very nefarious people can be very, very diabolical in the way they portray themselves “as the very paragon of virtue” when that persona is needed to put a certain spin on things. And since most people want to believe that most other people are good and decent, they can be fairly easily convinced they are being dealt with in a straight-forward manner, even when they are being lied to and misled by a master manipulator.

Been there, done that… although I was always a bit suspicious of our personal manipulator before she moved onto the property. But in sad hindsight, not suspicious enough…

[MorganSercu]

I’m surprised an inspector of any sort would take the word of anyone in lieu of a receipt from a licensed contractor. Sent during NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS.

To have cleared the pair on their say-so beggars belief. This is supposed to be a professional job - not a sinecure.

I hope the county residents have taken note of the many failings and things change for the better.

[trubandloki]

@MorganSercu

I hope the county residents have taken note of the many failings and things change for the better.

Yes, this! It seems like the people in that part of the world have lots of people in charge that seem to drop the ball and never look back.

Why would any fire marshal do what happened here? It is crazy.
Why would any police department do what happened here? It too is crazy.

[BrownDerby]

@trubandloki

Yes, this! It seems like the people in that part of the world have lots of people in charge that seem to drop the ball and never look back.

Why would any fire marshal do what happened here? It is crazy.
Why would any police department do what happened here? It too is crazy.

My God, the place sounds like Goober’s gas station.

[MorganSercu]

Better paid, even accounting for inflation.

https://govsalaries.com/salaries/NJ/morris-county

[trubandloki]

@BrownDerby

@trubandloki

Yes, this! It seems like the people in that part of the world have lots of people in charge that seem to drop the ball and never look back.

Why would any fire marshal do what happened here? It is crazy.
Why would any police department do what happened here? It too is crazy.

My God, the place sounds like Goober’s gas station.

I think this is giving them too much credit. Goober’s gas station was probably far better run than these people are doing.

[SillyHorse]

@BrownDerby

My God, the place sounds like Goober’s gas station.

Thanks for the laugh! And you’re spot on.

ETA This and the Colin Robinson comment had me laughing hard.

[roseymare]

@MorganSercu

I’m surprised an inspector of any sort would take the word of anyone in lieu of a receipt from a licensed contractor

This is what I meant this is much more strange to me than the guy checking his email at night. Especially if they are to be hardwired.

[Angela_Freda]

Here in NY they need to be hardwired, and you best not do anything, like sheetrock over, until the in person inspection.
That’s for all electrical, which must be completed by licensed electrician.

[MHM]

@trubandloki

@trafalgar

A question…I have been paging through this and see several references to gun shot residue. I thought they tested MB and he did have some on him. I know that could just mean that the gun was fired near his hands…I suspect he did not fire it at LK. I have seen postings to indicate that no one was tested.

Not sure what your exact question is, but if you watch the testimony it is said that no one was tested.
People stating he was tested and tested positive are not correct.

It came up in the testimony during the trial from one of the police officers that they got permission or a warrant to test MB’s hands for gunshot residue. But he did not say they actually performed that test. And they definitely did not test anyone else on the scene.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@FitzE

@Fiesta01

I honestly think the verdict should have been a straight Not Guilty on all charges. MB should have already been released. His loved ones could have already gotten him the psychological support he will need to make a full recovery.

But, he sits in jail. What a travesty.

I honestly feel this way, too. None of the pro-LK folks was brave enough to give me a straight yes/no answer to my question: would you be comfortable having a close loved one convicted on this evidence? I just don’t see anyone who is being honest saying, “Yeah, I know there’s no GSR, fingerprint, or DNA evidence to indicate who was holding the gun when it was discharged and, sure, the two people upon whom the story rests were shown to lie literally while on the stand under oath, and of the stories told by the 3 people purporting to tell me the story/timeline of events all differ in major/substantive ways (not small details), but nonetheless, I think it’s correct that my [father/brother/husband/son] goes to/stays in jail for this.”

I call industrial strength and the blatant evasion of merely answering that question as asked with a yes or no told me all I needed to know. Once you take the emotion of disliking MB/liking LK out of the equation and apply this complete lack of evidence to the situation, I do not see how a reasonable person could convict. I don’t think they ever should have gotten to the insanity stage b/c they simply didn’t show me the most basic information I needed: who was holding that gun when it was shot.

I don’t even need to think of all the various scenarios that could have happened. They fundamentally failed to prove to me that MB shot that weapon, let alone when and for what reason. They could have even shown me that LK/RG likely did not shoot the weapon. All they needed to do was swab everyone for GSR. But, nope, they didn’t even give me that!

But, it is what it is now and the State has a duty to him to get his care and evaluation sorted, get him into the least restrictive environment, and get him out and on with his new life which I hope is eventually even better than before.

I think the jury decision was the correct one, both for declining a straight not guilty because I think the evidence is MB did shoot her (and I don’t believe the self defense stories), and the insanity. Also correct that the dropped charges with respect to RG.

Of course this would be gut wrenching and horrible if the defendant were a loved one of mine —that’s why they try to get impartial juries. If a loved one of mine had been delusional and done the shooting, that in itself would have been gut wrenching and horrible.

But then, I don’t “dislike MB/like LK”.

[FitzE]

@CurrentlyHorseless

because I think the evidence is MB did shoot her

What evidence, specifically, is there that he shot her?

[DownYonder]

@trubandloki

It seems like the people in that part of the world have lots of people in charge that seem to drop the ball and never look back.

Why would any fire marshal do what happened here? It is crazy.
Why would any police department do what happened here? It too is crazy.

Unfortunately stuff like that happens in many communities where a particular individual or family casts a very big shadow. And such influence can be either financial or political (although they are often tied in together).

(A few decades back, we had a guy up the road from us that owned an unbelievably ginormous percentage of the land in the county - by far the biggest single landowner in the county. He was just a simple country boy, but he had a lot of sway with officials in multiple municipalities throughout the county, simply by virtue of how much land he owned.)

[DownYonder]

@MHM

It came up in the testimony during the trial from one of the police officers that they got permission or a warrant to test MB’s hands for gunshot residue. But he did not say they actually performed that test. And they definitely did not test anyone else on the scene.

That is also what I remembered from the testimony. Mr. B said to the investigator, so you had a warrant to test MB from GSR, but did you test anyone else at the scene? (Or words to that effect.) But it was never made clear if they actually tested MB or not (if they did verify it, I missed it).

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@DownYonder

@LiberalSnowflake

Can I just say that I’m not in the USA, have zero connection to any of the parties in this case or anyone on this board - and I saw a copy of the “letter from jail”. LK, or someone purporting to be her, was sending copies of this letter to utterly random people in the dressage world, some of whom I know, who were baffled as to why they’d been sent it. The “letter from jail” sure as hell wasn’t a secret. LK, or the person purporting to be her, appeared to be circulating it to gloat about what a horrible situation MB was now in. Please don’t think “the letter from jail” knowledge meant that people were in some kind of inner circle of knowledge, I’m certainly not.

How did the sender get people’s mailing addresses? It must have been pretty time-consuming searching for that info on random people. Although someone who doesn’t work and has a houseboy to do everything for them would have plenty of spare time for web-sleuthing.

What was said earlier was that the recipient shared it on Facebook on private settings for a while then deleted it after some “Friends” turned out to be non friends.

How, in this story of LK spreading it around, did LK receive it?

Seems the original recipient was loose and sloppy with it. That would have to be the case for LK to get it.

[DownYonder]

@FitzE

What evidence, specifically, is there that he shot her?

Why, the testimony of the two star witnesses.

[ScaredOfHorses]

Go to YouTube and put what you are looking for in the search bar, as an example: Barisone fire marshal or Barisone Boyd Martin and it should be the first video that comes up. Law & Crime puts the witness’s names in their video descriptions and/or titles and YT uses the titles, descriptions, hashtags and the video transcripts for their search results.

If your search result is a long video, and you want to try to find a certain section, click the three dots under the video and click on Show Transcript to open the transcript for the video. Then pick a keyword and use your browser’s Find on Page function to get yourself to that part of the video. Then click on the words in the transcript that contain your keyword, and it will jump to that timestamp on the video.

[MHM]

@DownYonder

@MHM

It came up in the testimony during the trial from one of the police officers that they got permission or a warrant to test MB’s hands for gunshot residue. But he did not say they actually performed that test. And they definitely did not test anyone else on the scene.

That is also what I remembered from the testimony. Mr. B said to the investigator, so you had a warrant to test MB from GSR, but did you test anyone else at the scene? (Or words to that effect.) But it was never made clear if they actually tested MB or not (if they did verify it, I missed it).

That was my recollection as well.

But I have to think that if they had actually found residue on MB, the prosecutor would have hammered that point home quite vigorously. But he did not.

Also, didn’t Mr. B mention in his closing argument that there was no residue found on MB? Among all the other forensic failures from the crime scene.

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

did LK receive it?

LK has bragged on these forums about having it and how some people are not really friends when they say they are (like that is something to brag about, but she did).