Barisone Verdict Is In: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity

[McGurk]

This is my only insight into that type of drug addiction:

Many years ago I had a bad horse wreck with a TBI and I shattered both my forearms. I was transported to the big teaching hospital/Level 1 trauma center. They decided not to try a surgical fracture repair but set my arms as is, while I was more or less conscious.

Before they put my arms in traction devices, they gave what I assume was a whooping big dose of morphine. Because when it hit, this warm flush, like stepping in bath water, started at my toes and swept up through my entire body, along with a feeling of incredible peace and well-being. While on my back on a gurney, I wriggled with pleasure and made happy moaning noises. The ER nurse beside me said grimly “That’s what makes an addict. It never feels that way again and they spend the rest of their life chasing that high.” I don’t remember them setting my arms, because I was in a lovely morphine induced stupor.

I have had morphine again since that first time, and she’s right - it’s didn’t have that incredible sensation. It was good pain relief, but gave me a horrible drug hangover and just wasn’t worth it.

There are now much better options for sedation and acute pain, I doubt I’ll ever have it administered again.

But that ER nurse’s words have always stayed with me: “Some people spend the rest of their life chasing that first high.” <<<<That’s what the first time being a mistake means in some cases.

I do believe that some people are wired differently and are more susceptible to addiction. I am not one of those people. But I can see someone who had my experience seeking out that high when they were no longer hospitalized.

[eggbutt]

@trubandloki

Or, gee, could they have a narrative they are trying to make come true?

My guess is they have been tasked with finding anything untoward they can to help counteract 19,000 pages of discovery. I doubt the frequent pop-ins by two others have yielded anything of merit.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@lazaret

@CurrentlyHorseless

So, was MHG already divorced from her husband when she left him, disrupting the lives of the two children, to enter a “relationship” with a top trainer who might facilitate her goal of getting on an Olympic team? A top trainer who had been permitting two “known druggies” to live on his property for a year?

You seem to have real difficulty with timelines. What jumps out at me is your continued assertion that LK was there first and somehow MHG took up with MB to get into some kind of competition with LK.

She was already involved with him before LK marched herself onto the scene. His divorce was over and done by April 2019. Twisting the timeline to make the movie in your head work doesn’t make any of your invented times facts.

The part where you continue to try to make this some love triangle gone awry is baffling. It’s a weird fixation on people’s sexual and marital lives and it’s pretty gross, tbh.

No, I’m not saying MHG, MB, LK were a love triangle of any type.

MHG apparently dropped MB very suddenly after the shooting. Another poster defended MHG for dropping him so abruptly on the grounds she was looking after the interests of her children.

Way back, there was a post that said that prior to 2019, when MB and VKB were still married, MB, VKB, and MHG were all living and training at Hawthorne Hill. The post said that VKB did not want a divorce, but that MHG and MB conducted their affair openly until VKB was driven out. I do not know whether LK was there at the time or not. I don’t know if it’s true. While I understand divorce is commonplace and often the best, or only, step in some situations, forcing the current wife out of the picture by carrying on with the younger protege before obtaining a divorce, or even a separation, strikes me as unspeakably selfish and cruel on the part of MB. And MHG.

On the issue of MHG conducting her life putting the children’s interest foremost, I was pointing out that MHG left her husband, disrupting the lives of her children, to train with and have an affair with a trainer (currently married according to the post) who she thought could help her further her dressage ambitions. The fact that she left MB so abruptly after the shooting, when he was delusional and incarcerated, indicates to me that the basis for the relationship was something other than a loving commitment. After the shooting, the danger from LK and RG was over.

I don’t know if the post about MHG and MB carrying on under his current wife’s nose is true or not. But it fits with IMs statements that MB gave up everything (his marriage and business partner and half his assets) for MHG. If the relationship with MHG was not going well by summer of 2019, prior to the shooting, that would a huge amount of stress for MB.

I don’t think LK was making a play for MB, or that MHG considered LK a romantic rival. I can well imagine that MHG resented LK taking up MB’s time and attention in terms of training, though, and wanted her gone for that reason.

Apparently MHG wanted LK gone as early as April 2019, but MB declined to give LK notice that he was ending the training/boarding arrangement for months. Instead, he tried to keep LK as a client and somehow appease MHG. When the pressure and impossibility of doing both became unbearable, he experienced a mental break and shot LK.

What I don’t understand, or disagree with, is this narrative that the tragedy was 100% created by LK. She obviously had her role in creating the situation which eventually blew up. But MB, MHG, and RC also had major roles in creating the situation. MB has been acquitted due to his insanity. But was MHG delusional as well?

Oh for Pete’s sake LET IT GO.

You keep on bringing this up. This is fake news. No one cares. Well no one except for LK.

[ekat]

@trubandloki

Or, gee, could they have a narrative they are trying to make come true?

Sometimes it almost reads like someone floating a test balloon. See what tweaks can be made to make a narrative more believable for the next jury.

[eggbutt]

That happened to me fairly recently too! An amazing last resort dose of morphine in the IV and I was on cloud 9. My nurse said exactly the same thing! 24 hours later I received another dose and it was nothing like the first one. Isn’t that interesting?

[Graymaresrule]

I’ve had morphine and all it did was to knock me out cold.

IV contrast OTOH feels quite nice…

[Angela_Freda]

@Bogey2

what?? I would never take her on as a boarder. I usually get references from other barns before I take anyone in. Why do you think my post says I would take her?

Your post came across to me as suggesting that if only MB/SGF had a contract, these boarders wouldn’t have been a problem. I’m not sure she lacks references. Lots of problematic people have references too.

@Bogey2

No, all barns should have a signed agreement that they can end the partnership at any time with a 30 days notice. Then you give the person 30 days notice. It’s standard practice when one leaves or is asked to leave. I have over years told people this was not a good fit and gave them 30 days. I have had people tell me they were leaving for whatever reason and they give 30 days.
I know she’s difficult but if you handle it like a business deal and no working this or that off it goes much better. I don’t make any deals with people who board here, that gets too messy.

I think, eventually, these boarders would be a problem no matter the contract, the references, or the futile attempts to not raise their ire.

[Ghazzu]

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2021/05/04/no-plan/

Carl von Clausewitz

[ekat]

The only time I had morphine I had an anaphylactic allergic reaction. I’m not normal.

I always picture the feeling that other people get like that poppy scene in the Wizard of Oz.

[eggbutt]

Wow! That is very scary!

[BrownDerby]

@Scribbler

Yes exactly what I was thinking.

Is it possible some of these revelations may be bit new even to the parents?

I mean 100 per cent she lies to her parents.

They may have believed that she was seriously riding horses as part of recovery, not just dabbling in an active addict dazed way and going street addict toxic when that became apparent to those in her horse life.

You may be on to something. Surely her parents would seek mental help for her? It must be awful, to have your mind constantly churning, churning churning. Not to mention lonely. Get her some professional psychiatric and addiction help for God’s sake. She has the second half of her life left yet to live. I cannot imagine how exhausting it would be to live like this. At some posh rehab clinics, families are included in the healing process.

[eggbutt]

I’m guessing JH will be the next one on their list to dream up angles. They’ve gotten all the mileage they can out of RC and AB and hopefully MHG at this point.

[ekat]

@eggbutt

Wow! That is very scary

Yes, because I was in a ton of pain and I’ve never had an allergic reaction like that before. (Or since). But I was already in an ER, and they handled it quickly and effectively. They were pretty awesome. The bigger problem became what painkillers they could give me because they decided to rule out all opioids/opiates to be safe.

Now, I probably never would have tried heroin anyway, but after that, no freaking way.

[Maria]

First no veil included. Now no shoes included!

Jezzzzzz I may have to flounce off and pout

[McGurk]

Very. And it must be a fairly common experience in an ER setting. Remarkable that the nurses said nearly the same thing.

Must be tough on them as professionals giving that shot, watching the patient’s response and wondering if they’ve changed the arc of that person’s life for the worse.

[eggbutt]

I will admit eons ago in the late 60’s I was around lots of psychedelics and was frequently tempted to try LSD, but I witnessed and had to help several having bad trips to the point the risk outweighed the apparent beautiful sensory perceptions. “Recreational” drugs are entirely too dangerous IMO.

[BrendaJane]

just because you are paranoid does not mean they are not actually out to harm you.
And with the kind of people Bob and Rob know, the more security the better.

[trubandloki]

@Maria

First no veil included. Now no shoes included!

Jezzzzzz I may have to flounce off and pout

Of course no shoes are included. The expert night ninjas go barefoot. Silly you!

[trubandloki]

And that makes me wonder. When Bob was dong her Ninja thing all barefoot out there, did she paint her feet black to go with her black ninja outfit or were her pale white feet like glowing against her dark black outfit?

[IdahoRider]

@LexInVA

If you recall LK’s posts, she had stated close association with upper-level riders/trainers on numerous occasions and even posted photos of herself with individuals who fit that description,

WOW! This must mean that I am being trained by Steffen Peters, Shannon Peters, Carl Hester, Charlotte Dujardin, Kasey Perry Glass and Debbie McDonald. I have pictures taken with them all, so that makes it true.
Sheilah